As you might have gathered from my previous e-mail I'm not a big fan of
functional division as opposed to project division.
Since I was moved to a different building from the developers much of the
time I don't spend dealing with the new paperwork and bureaucracy I spend on
the phone. I can see
Jay GC,
I guess I must live in heaven. Over here things are staying relatively the
same as they always have. Developers develop stuff (applications, data
warehouses, etc...) and in the process do some logical database design which the
DBA's (me included here) get to review all of it,
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Okay, my situation doesn't seem so bad now. Thanks!
The rules are mitigated by a number of sensible managers here and there who
do their best to see that things hold together.
And I won't comment in a public forum as to whether something necessary has
occasionally been done while paperwork is
On June 28, 2001 11:51 am, Miller, Jay wrote:
Yep, I've dealt with incredibly incompetent consultants (Because of
our new division of responsibilties, all programming must come from
the development team. I
This brings up an interesting point - I've noticed that recently
division of
That's actually a good idea. We can control the world by taking over
all the data. We will be so powerful. :)
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A non-DBA? Is that because we stick together like the Mafia or
something?!
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Excuse me but you are a little presumptious and rude with that last mail. If
a process is put in place that requires a form to be signed and
authorisation to be given before action can be taken then I would be going
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My
point precisely. I'm not putting my neck on the line because someone won't allow
me to do my job. Let them be the one who takes the hit when the s**t hits the
fan.
Thanks
Chris, good point well made (better than my knee jerk
Lee,
In my case (please see my previous post on the subject) I had proposed a
change that was rejected. In short I wanted to move a datafile during a
maintenance down day from one drive to another where there would be more room
for expansion. OK, so management rejected the change for dumb
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Different situations . different solutions. Its all subjective. What
will work at one location is like using a feather to stop an elephant at
another. rather useless.
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Sorry but
Full authority and no responcibility - looks like very much an HMO. I don't
think I would survive in this environment for so long. Maybe if I did not
have where to go and had small children to feed. This is exactly what I
posted. This is no win game and possible only if payd by the hour and payd
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Kimberly;
Absolutely.
And I did not take ANY of your comments as Rude or Presumptuous. I am sorry
my comments in my note drove someone to think that of you.
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This is the line I
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Close, it's a brokerage.
But regarding flooding the SVP, one of my favorite Dilbert moments came
about a month after the new procedures were in place. They were getting
forms from multiple sources (me, the developers on our OLTP database and the
developers from our datawarehouse). All those
A non-DBA? Is that because we stick together like the Mafia or
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We've been through an internal audit and I was just wondering if anyone
else
has to deal with the rather
Jay;
I have had to go thru the same thing a couple times on a previous job with
Auditors. Every time those kind of restrictions were placed on us it
brought things to a snails pace or, in some conditions, a complete halt.
Sooner or later they realized that it was unreasonable and lifted them.
Alex,
that was the result of an inexperienced DBA. an experienced DBA would
know that there is a load placed on the server during datafile addition
time. if you have a server with extra oomf, then the users should not see
any difference.
it sounds like you had a very sensitive database that
Wahey !!! The answer I was going to provide. We started calling the manager
up quite frequently at home to authorise changes - he eventually saw sense.
Not quite as bad as 2am in the morning but inconvenient enough for him to
put a stop to it.
Best of Luck.
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Jay,
'you can't put that many changes through'
I love it! see, how it works! follow the dumb process they establish, and
it gets even dumber!eventually, it breaks and they see the folly of the
process.
it reminds me of almost every M*A*S*H episode I ever saw.
Want me to arrest him too,
I say that if you wait until you database has an error you really
aren't proving much except that you are not proactive in your job.
Which, in my book, makes you not a very good DBA. Dealing with a
dumb process is one thing (we have our fair share on this account)
but I take to much pride in my
Well Kimberly, sometimes you have to do what you have to do to get a point
accross. Depending on the type of employer you have, sometimes you have to
take drastic measures that you would not normally take.
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Sorry but there are better ways.
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Well Kimberly, sometimes you have to do what you have to do to get a point
accross. Depending on the type of employer you have, sometimes you have to
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Kimberly,
We're on the same wavelength, as I was thinking the same
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In a perfect world or even a sucky world, yes. But the nightmare scenerio that was laid out wouldn't allow proactivity on their part. The inconvenient time thing was due to the fact that the proactive items they wanted to to do were
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suggest CYA as much as possible and escalate the issue and begin search
foranother job. Also if you are an FTE - now is a good time to go on
vacation or become sick. Because if something breaks damagement knows much
better how
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The way I read it was that they aren't letting it fail because they want to make a point. They are letting it fail because they were told they could not fix it. Then when it did fail, they made sure it was real inconvenient for those who
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Alex,
Touche` , I didn't think about the
managers CYA ability. Most don't get theirjobs by being good, they
get there by knowing how to blame people and look good by
comparison... Theywere most definitely in a lose-lose
situation. I
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In a perfect world or even a sucky world, yes. But the nightmare scenerio
that was laid out wouldn't allow proactivity on their part
to get permission to fix the
problem when it becomes an emergency
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In a perfect
I can supply the commiseration! You have my sympathies. I just left my
last job (also at a major online brokerage) because of exactly the same sort
of nonsense. In the good old days things ran fairly smoothly, technical
people made technical decisions, and the job was great. Then we got very
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