Re: Important - Oracle Pricing on Standby/DR/Failover databases

2003-01-16 Thread Rachel Carmichael
Tony, come out of the woodwork more often! By standby I mean Oracle's standby database, now named DataGuard. since this *is* a running database and can be opened for read access in 8i and read/write (with logical standby running) in 9i, it's another license. And I have no objection to it be charg

Re: Important - Oracle Pricing on Standby/DR/Failover databases

2003-01-16 Thread tjambu_fatcity
Hi Kip I think you got the gist of it. In regards to your Q on DR, I assume that SunGuard and IBM is a DR facility hosted by them. How would you be recovering your database? Tapes? Then that should be OK. Filesystem replication or one of Oracle's features? Then you have to get another set

Re: Important - Oracle Pricing on Standby/DR/Failover databases

2003-01-16 Thread tjambu_fatcity
Hi Rachel Good to hear from you.  I am always on the list.  Just being a lurker. I am surprise that you are paying for a standby if the standby DB is not being used at the same time as the Pri.  By standby, do you mean something like Oracle replication or Dataguard where you are using Oracle's ut

RE: Important - Oracle Pricing on Standby/DR/Failover databases

2003-01-16 Thread tjambu_fatcity
Ethan This 10 day grace only applies to Clusters/Failovers not Standbys. So unless your DR is in a Global Cluster you can't apply the 10 days grace. As for a Hot standby DR site where the server is larger than the Primary server, I would think it reasonable to pay for the size of the Primary. B

RE: Important - Oracle Pricing on Standby/DR/Failover databases

2003-01-16 Thread tjambu_fatcity
Tom At 05:14 AM 16/01/2003 -0800, you wrote: >Jared, > >why doesn't it seem right? Because if you use filesystem replication, the standby/DR server does not have Oracle up and running. Oracle does not come into the equation at all. ta tony _ / |Tony Jambu, Database&Web

RE: Important - Oracle Pricing on Standby/DR/Failover databases

2003-01-16 Thread Kip . Bryant
Hi Tom, Contracts not signed but I believe there is a proposal that has an allowance for 8 or 10 hours of testing beyond the restore time with extra charges for running longer. Oh, and I did manage to get them to include a place to collect archived redo logs (which were originally going to be co

RE: Important - Oracle Pricing on Standby/DR/Failover databases

2003-01-16 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
Kip, in your situation (as I understand it), I think would fall into the following scenario: Don't ask and don't tell. clearly, you are not intending on running your production system at your data recovery site. your intent is to use the site to (as you said): test recovery to make sure it can

Re: Important - Oracle Pricing on Standby/DR/Failover databases

2003-01-16 Thread Kip . Bryant
Hi, I've missed some of this thread so apologies if this has been touched on already. The info-from-Oracle below refers to Backup/Failover/Standby. Backup : We're OK. Failover: Hmm. Tru64 cluster. Think we're OK based on what I read... Standby : I was shot down on this one because the

RE: Important - Oracle Pricing on Standby/DR/Failover databases

2003-01-16 Thread Post, Ethan
This is interesting... So in the event of a true DR where a DR center has servers co-located and are available for hundreds of potential customers do we need to pay for the license on the box we use at the DR center if it is used more than 10 days a year? Does one pay after they have gone over th

RE: Important - Oracle Pricing on Standby/DR/Failover databases

2003-01-16 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Title: RE: Important - Oracle Pricing on Standby/DR/Failover databases and how about Oracle saying something like ... "And in return to you making excess payment to meet our unrealistic demands, we will deliver bug-free software ...&q

RE: Important - Oracle Pricing on Standby/DR/Failover databases

2003-01-16 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
Jared, why doesn't it seem right? in the case where we are running a standby database, are we not using the software? sure, the users are not directly connected. but every transaction that they enter in the primary database is being posted to the standby. if we were not required to pay for thi

Re: Important - Oracle Pricing on Standby/DR/Failover databases

2003-01-16 Thread Rachel Carmichael
Tony, Good to see your fingerprints here! I had always gone on the theory that I would need at least two of the licenses, one for production and one for the standby server. I hadn't thought about one for the DR site, on the theory, that since DR was up and running ONLY when production was not, it

Re: Important - Oracle Pricing on Standby/DR/Failover databases

2003-01-15 Thread Jared Still
Thanks Tony. Looks like Larry E is trying to boost revenues in a down economy by any means necessary. You're right, this doesn't seem right. Jared On Wednesday 15 January 2003 19:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi All > > For those sites with either a standby, DR or failover database, > the fol

Re: Important - Oracle Pricing on Standby/DR/Failover databases

2003-01-15 Thread tjambu_fatcity
Hi Jared I have a reply from someone who does not want to be identified. This is his case.  His company tried reasoning and discussing it with Oracle and even tried a compromised (which I would not be happy with) He company put forward to Oracle to pay for the full licence on the production serve

Important - Oracle Pricing on Standby/DR/Failover databases

2003-01-15 Thread tjambu_fatcity
Hi All For those sites with either a standby, DR or failover database, the following information is very important to you.  You could be in breach of Oracle's Licensing agreement and could cost you $100,000s if not millions $$ (Read the summary at the end if you want to skip the details) In the