Re: Musings on tuning and the optimizer

2001-05-29 Thread Nuno Souto
Thanks chief. I'll keep an eye out for any outer joins misbehaving. Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/the_Den - Original Message - _PUSH_JOIN_PREDICATE is set to TRUE or the accessing query contains the PUSH_PRED hint. -- Please see the official

Re: Musings on tuning and the optimizer

2001-05-28 Thread Nuno Souto
- Original Message - Have run across some interesting things while reading up on the optimizer. Same here! :-) Always thought that the RBO joins your tables in the order found in the FROM clause? Think again. Actually, I found one in Metalink that says with RBO, it's the reverse

Re: Musings on tuning and the optimizer

2001-05-28 Thread Jared Still
On Monday 28 May 2001 04:45, Nuno Souto wrote: Always thought that the RBO joins your tables in the order found in the FROM clause? Think again. Actually, I found one in Metalink that says with RBO, it's the reverse order of the FROM clause. Which I was aware of. But it also says: if

Re: Musings on tuning and the optimizer

2001-05-28 Thread Jared Still
On Monday 28 May 2001 04:45, Nuno Souto wrote: And a few others. I found out the problem I reported a while ago with CBO suddenly going South on hash scan joins and completely ignoring nested loops or indexes is actually an introduced problem due to a change in CBO rules after 8.0.4. It

Musings on tuning and the optimizer

2001-05-27 Thread Jared Still
Have run across some interesting things while reading up on the optimizer. First of all, there is a very interesting paper on MetaLink titled Cost Based Optimizer - Common Misconceptions and Issues. This is note 35934.1. Among other things, it makes it clear under what conditions the CBO

RE: Musings on tuning and the optimizer

2001-05-27 Thread MacGregor, Ian A.
Isn't elimination of common subexpressions the default in 8.1.7? Also, the optimizer is sometimes overzealous and eliminates essential expressions. My source for this is Peoplesoft which suggests setting optimizer_features_enable = 8.1.6 When using their products against an 8.1.7

RE: Musings on tuning and the optimizer

2001-05-27 Thread Reardon, Bruce (CALBBAY)
Ian, There are some bugs in 8.1.7.0 to do with common subquery elimination (1578644 and 1651014 and maybe others). These bugs may be fixed in 8.1.7.1.2 and / or 8.1.7.1.3 (I am currently trying to get clarification from Oracle on this). Also see Metalink note 137430.1. Regards, Bruce