RE: OT - unix vs linux vs windows - the future

2002-07-17 Thread Rodd Holman
Actually I have done much the same as Joe. I run RedHat 7.3, Oracle9i for Linux, OpenOffice, and Ximian Evolution (www.ximian.com). I have a Windows box that I sync my Handspring with to get my Exchange schedule and then use gpilotd to sync with Evolution and run my calendar off of Linux. I

Re: OT - unix vs linux vs windows - the future

2002-07-16 Thread Yechiel Adar
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: OT - unix vs linux vs windows - the future But do all these matter though? Everyone's moving to MS software and *nixes are getting rarer and rarer. The fact is that everyone's

RE: OT - unix vs linux vs windows - the future

2002-07-16 Thread Orr, Steve
Wow Joe, sounds like a religious conviction... I'm impressed because I'm of the same persuasion but I'm not quite so pious/zealous and am still somewhat enslaved to the M$ beast/devil because of the company usage of Exchange with MS Outlook for Calendar and workflow. I run Linux on the laptop

RE: OT - unix vs linux vs windows - the future

2002-07-16 Thread lembark
-- Orr, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 07/16/02 08:09:23 -0800 I'm impressed because I'm of the same persuasion but I'm not quite so pious/zealous and am still somewhat enslaved to the M$ beast/devil because of the company usage of Exchange with MS Outlook for Calendar and workflow. I run

RE: OT - unix vs linux vs windows - the future

2002-07-16 Thread Jesse, Rich
Forwarded from a co-worker: First the Germans, now the Nordes! http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=4406 I'll save my political diatribe of US vs MS for the OT list... :) Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International,

RE: OT - unix vs linux vs windows - the future

2002-07-15 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Jared - Good point. In addition, other costs to an independent Unix vendor are: - Staff costs of a large development staff. This cost doesn't vary, regardless of the number of customers. Therefore, vendors with a small market share have proportionally higher costs. - Costs of attracting

RE: OT - unix vs linux vs windows - the future

2002-07-15 Thread Andrey Bronfin
Good bet that smaller Unix vendors will run to Linux before vendors like Sun do. Not exactly , just look at homepages of sun , ibm , oracle . There are more appearences of the word linux there than any word in Britannica ;-) DBAndrey * 03-9254520 * 058-548133 * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: OT - unix vs linux vs windows - the future

2002-07-15 Thread ltiu
But do all these matter though? Everyone's moving to MS software and *nixes are getting rarer and rarer. The fact is that everyone's losing money (Sun, IBM, HP, SGI even RedHat and Caldera) - except MS. It's an MS world like it or not. ltiu On Monday 15 July 2002 08:33, Andrey Bronfin wrote:

RE: OT - unix vs linux vs windows - the future

2002-07-15 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Andrey I think it is important to understand the situation from the vendor's point of view. That will lead to more accurate predictions of their future behavior. At this point, I feel Linux has great momentum behind it, virtually guaranteeing its success, and your statement about vendors

RE: OT - unix vs linux vs windows - the future

2002-07-15 Thread lembark
-- Andrey Bronfin [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 07/15/02 07:33:33 -0800 Good bet that smaller Unix vendors will run to Linux before vendors like Sun do. Not exactly , just look at homepages of sun , ibm , oracle . There are more appearences of the word linux there than any word in Britannica ;-)

Re: OT - unix vs linux vs windows - the future

2002-07-15 Thread ltiu
respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: OT - unix vs linux vs windows - the future But do all these matter though? Everyone's moving to MS software and *nixes are getting rarer and rarer. The fact

Re: OT - unix vs linux vs windows - the future

2002-07-15 Thread Jared . Still
vs linux vs windows - the future But do all these matter though? Everyone's moving to MS software and *nixes are getting rarer and rarer. The fact is that everyone's losing money (Sun, IBM, HP, SGI even RedHat and Caldera) - except MS. It's an MS world like it or not. ltiu On Monday 15 July

Re: OT - unix vs linux vs windows - the future

2002-07-15 Thread Igor Neyman
PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: OT - unix vs linux vs windows - the future But do all these matter though? Everyone's moving to MS software and *nixes are getting rarer and rarer. The fact is that everyone's losing money (Sun, IBM, HP, SGI even RedHat and Caldera

RE: OT - unix vs linux vs windows - the future

2002-07-15 Thread Jared . Still
] cc: Subject:RE: OT - unix vs linux vs windows - the future Andrey I think it is important to understand the situation from the vendor's point of view. That will lead to more accurate predictions of their future behavior. At this point, I feel Linux has great momentum

Re: OT - unix vs linux vs windows - the future

2002-07-15 Thread Joe Testa
Thats were you're wrong, i dont use microsoft products, all of my development and presentations that i make are non microsoft products. for IOUG presentations, requirement is to put them in msword and powerpoint, i convert from star office to those formatrs and have someone proof them so i

OT - unix vs linux vs windows - the future

2002-07-14 Thread Andrey Bronfin
hi ! i might start another war , but i can't resist a part of me which wants to ask : what do you , seasoned gurus, think of everybody's (as it seems to be) plans to abandon the classic unix for linux ? In particular , most database vendors (as well as other enterprise software vendors) name

Re: OT - unix vs linux vs windows - the future

2002-07-14 Thread Joe Testa
I dont think the classic unix that you speak of will go away that fast, too many solaris/aix/hpux machines floating around still. I do any development/testing of features on linux, it cost me nothing but the hardware. RH 7.3 downloaded, no cost. technet member 9ir2 oracle downloaded, no

Re: OT - unix vs linux vs windows - the future

2002-07-14 Thread ltiu
I don't know man. I use whatever gets the job done. ltiu On Sunday 14 July 2002 11:58, Andrey Bronfin wrote: hi ! i might start another war , but i can't resist a part of me which wants to ask : what do you , seasoned gurus, think of everybody's (as it seems to be) plans to abandon the

Re: OT - unix vs linux vs windows - the future

2002-07-14 Thread ltiu
Oracle. It's only free during development/education. Charges will be exhorbitant when getting production licenses. Windows and SQL Server is free too - if you pirate, right? It's what every one does : Linux is free but trying to sell this to your IT manager is not. On Sunday 14 July 2002

Re: OT - unix vs linux vs windows - the future

2002-07-14 Thread Alex
Development shops that actually write native code will target an OS with market share. Now, seeing that alot of code written today is interpreted the move to linux, windows, or beatnix is irrelevent. As far as DB vendors targeting linux they move in herds and have just finished their linux port

Re: OT - unix vs linux vs windows - the future

2002-07-14 Thread Jared Still
I'm sure that many vendors welcome an opportunity to stop paying royalties to ATT for unix code. I believe that all mainstream vendor implementations of unix have ATT base. Jared On Sunday 14 July 2002 11:58, Andrey Bronfin wrote: hi ! i might start another war , but i can't resist a part