RE: Oracle wants your job

2002-05-01 Thread Hately Mike
Danisment, 10 Centralisation will occur. 20 Distribution will occur 30 go to 10 Anyone who's been in IT for more than about 6 years will have gone through the cycle at least once. It's got more to do with management making a name for themselves than any rational argument. Money's the ONLY thing

RE: Oracle wants your job

2002-05-01 Thread Grabowy, Chris
Hmmm...if Oracle hosts my database, and something bad happens, and it goes down for the day. Is Oracle going to pay me for the downtime? I think not. Is Oracle going to reimburse me for all the sales I lost? I think not. I'm sure some Oracle rep will make me all kinds of promises that

RE: Oracle wants your job

2002-05-01 Thread Post, Ethan
Chris, Our company as well as many others do host databases for our customers and yes we have SLA's which specify financial costs associated with not meeting them. Oracle is not doing anything new in this sense. Thanks, Ethan Post perotdba (AIM), epost1 (Yahoo)

RE: Oracle wants your job

2002-05-01 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
In terms of adding information to this discussion, here is an article in Infoworld. You'll have to paste the URL back together. http://www.infoworld.com/articles/se/xml/02/04/29/020429seoracle.xml The sentence that caught my eye is: Just when we thought we had seen them all, a new twist to

Oracle wants your job

2002-04-30 Thread Farnsworth, Dave
http://www.infoworld.com/articles/se/xml/02/04/29/020429seoracle.xml Dave -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Farnsworth, Dave INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California--

Re: Oracle wants your job

2002-04-30 Thread Jared Still
RANT This has all been tried before, and the predictions are the same: financial nirvana, big savings in technology costs, no pesky holier-than-thou DBA's baffling poor damagers with stuff they can't possibly understand. /RANT Very few executive, managers or DBA's are going to want to place

Re: Oracle wants your job

2002-04-30 Thread KENNETH JANUSZ
My daughter works for a large retailer here in Minneapolis, MN. They got one of these big outfits that promised them the moon, etc. The companies initials are IBwhatever. Guess who the call when they can't figure out something? The IS staff. Big deal! Ken Janusz, CPIM - Original

Re[2]: Oracle wants your job

2002-04-30 Thread dgoulet
Jared, The other problem with outsourcing, which we've run head on into, is that an ASP wants you to run the application plain vanilla. Customization of an application to fit your business/needs is one area they really do not like to handle. Makes upgrading a pain in the *^, which means

RE: Oracle wants your job

2002-04-30 Thread Boivin, Patrice J
My browser says page not found. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO |

Re: Re[2]: Oracle wants your job

2002-04-30 Thread Jared Still
are running PeopleSoft 7 while the remainder are on Peoplesoft 8. Also your patch levels will vary, due to the customization. Hence, if you need to customize you can't outsource. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Subject:Re: Oracle wants your job Author: Jared

RE: Oracle wants your job

2002-04-30 Thread Grabowy, Chris
Me thinks this is related to all the other hot topics out there... Centralize the computers, then another CIO comes in, decentralize all the computers...every division gets there own...a genius. IT is outsourced, problems, slow response, a new CIO comes in, let's bring everything in house under

Re[4]: Oracle wants your job

2002-04-30 Thread Robert Eskridge
Curiously, as an ASP we've been contracted by some organizations for just that reason. Someone in upper management decides that their ability to enhance shareholder value is hindered by their current business rules. So they mandate using our application with little or no customization, driving

Re: Oracle wants your job

2002-04-30 Thread Danisment Gazi Unal
Hello List, Maybe, some of you will not be agree with me, But, I think centralization will occur. Let's imagine that There is no banking system in the world and everyone keeps their money at home. And, someone claims that there will be banks and people will give money to banks. In this case, we

RE: Oracle wants your job

2002-04-30 Thread Whittle Jerome Contr NCI
Title: RE: Oracle wants your job You are correct about one thing - some of us will not agree with you especially about centralized information and democracy. Jerry Whittle ACIFICS DBA NCI Information Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 618-622-4145 -Original Message- From