Re: Fav. Urban Legend...take two

2002-03-15 Thread Jared Still
Yes, I've seen that also. Bugs 299259 and BUG:207590 describe this change in behavior, and why it was done, but those bugs are not accessible on MetaLink. Jared On Thursday 14 March 2002 15:03, Jonathan Lewis wrote: I hate to perpetuate a legend, but I THINK there was an early version

RE: Fav. Urban Legend...take two

2002-03-15 Thread Freeman, Robert
but those bugs are not accessible on MetaLink. ALways seems like the bugs I go looking for end up having base bugs which are not publicly accessible on Metalink... What I find really funny is that once in a while in the bug reports that are publicly available, you will find the contact

Re: Fav. Urban Legend...take two

2002-03-14 Thread Jeremiah Wilton
Gotta be this one. I wouldn't love it so much except for the part about the USS Nimitz. When you place a tablespace in backup mode, the Oracle instance notes that a backup is being performed and internally compensates for it. As you know, it is impossible to make an authentic copy of a

RE: Fav. Urban Legend...take two

2002-03-14 Thread Deshpande, Kirti
#3 One has to have 'delete any table' privilege to truncate someone else's tables. #2 Oracle does not write to the data file when the tablespace is in backup mode. And... #1 High Cache Hit Ratios (in the upper 90s) are always good. - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Thursday,

Re: Fav. Urban Legend...take two

2002-03-14 Thread bill thater
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I'd like to ask, without anyone taking potshots at specific authors, what is the dumbest, silliest, or most technically incorrect thing you have ever seen in an Oracle book? if you have a hit ratio of less than 90%, your database is in desperate need of tuning.

RE: Fav. Urban Legend...take two

2002-03-14 Thread Post, Ethan
Whoa, #3 is a new one on me! What privs do allow that one? -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 12:57 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L #3 One has to have 'delete any table' privilege to truncate someone else's tables. #2 Oracle does not write to the data file

RE: Fav. Urban Legend...take two

2002-03-14 Thread Post, Ethan
You had to unleash that one on us. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 12:57 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Gotta be this one. I wouldn't love it so much except for the part about the USS Nimitz. When you place a tablespace in backup mode, the Oracle

RE: Fav. Urban Legend...take two

2002-03-14 Thread Rodd Holman
It's a DDL command. You need alter table for this. Delete any table in a DML privilege. Rodd On Thu, 2002-03-14 at 13:35, Post, Ethan wrote: Whoa, #3 is a new one on me! What privs do allow that one? -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 12:57 PM To: Multiple

RE: Fav. Urban Legend...take two

2002-03-14 Thread Freeman, Robert
From the Oracle9i docs@ http://download-west.oracle.com/otndoc/oracle9i/901_doc/server.901/a90125/st atements_108a.htm#2067573 http://download-west.oracle.com/otndoc/oracle9i/901_doc/server.901/a90125/s tatements_108a.htm#2067573 Under TRUNCATE To truncate a table or cluster, the table or

RE: Fav. Urban Legend...take two

2002-03-14 Thread Deshpande, Kirti
drop any table One of the oldest bugs in Oracle Docs :) Finally got fixed in 8.1.7 Docs. - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 1:36 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Whoa, #3 is a new one on me! What privs do allow that one? -Original Message-

Re: Fav. Urban Legend...take two

2002-03-14 Thread Rachel Carmichael
it's still the one about Oracle not writing to the datafiles if a tablespace is in hot backup mode :0 --- Freeman, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok... one of my favorite Urban Legends is this one: The book is always right. In other words, if it's written down in a book we bought off of

RE: Fav. Urban Legend...take two

2002-03-14 Thread Freeman, Robert
Last time I read the doc's this was true... (and that was about a second ago!). is there some magic I do not know about? (or are you alluding to creating PL/SQL to do this?) Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP Oracle DBA Technical Lead CSX Midtier Database Administration The Cigarette Smoking

RE: Fav. Urban Legend...take two

2002-03-14 Thread Rachel Carmichael
the docs are (finally) correct. you have ALWAYS needed drop any table to truncate someone else's table. The docs have always said you needed delete any table. Docs (horrors! impossible to believe!) were wrong --- Freeman, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From the Oracle9i docs@

Re: Fav. Urban Legend...take two

2002-03-14 Thread Paul Baumgartel
Holy cow. That is outrageous! Gets my vote. --- Jeremiah Wilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gotta be this one. I wouldn't love it so much except for the part about the USS Nimitz. When you place a tablespace in backup mode, the Oracle instance notes that a backup is being performed and

RE: Fav. Urban Legend...take two

2002-03-14 Thread Freeman, Robert
Ok, I understand what you were saying then... thanks! Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP Oracle DBA Technical Lead CSX Midtier Database Administration The Cigarette Smoking Man: Anyone who can appease a man's conscience can take his freedom away from him. -Original Message- Sent:

RE: Fav. Urban Legend...take two

2002-03-14 Thread Freeman, Robert
One of these days my eyes will distinguish the word DROP and the word DELETE... For now, just chalk it up to age :-)) Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP Oracle DBA Technical Lead CSX Midtier Database Administration The Cigarette Smoking Man: Anyone who can appease a man's conscience can take

Re: Fav. Urban Legend...take two

2002-03-14 Thread Jared Still
Funny, I was just told that by a Network Appliance rep today. Had to set him straight. :) I hate doing that. ;) Jared On Thursday 14 March 2002 12:42, Rachel Carmichael wrote: it's still the one about Oracle not writing to the datafiles if a tablespace is in hot backup mode :0 ---

Re: Fav. Urban Legend...take two

2002-03-14 Thread Rachel Carmichael
that one's been around for years! Jeremiah has corrected, and corrected and corrected it, but it persists just like those baby alligators in the NYC sewer system rumors... --- Paul Baumgartel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Holy cow. That is outrageous! Gets my vote. --- Jeremiah Wilton

RE: Fav. Urban Legend...take two

2002-03-14 Thread John Kanagaraj
of my employer or clients ** -Original Message- From: Deshpande, Kirti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:57 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Fav. Urban Legend...take two #3 One has to have 'delete any table' privilege to truncate

Re: Fav. Urban Legend...take two

2002-03-14 Thread Jonathan Lewis
I hate to perpetuate a legend, but I THINK there was an early version where 'delete any table' was good enough. I seem to remember a period where there was a big fuss from people saying I've upgraded to version 7.0.16-ish and my truncates are not longer working - and the problem was that they