RE: OT - Vaccines

2001-08-23 Thread Mark Leith
Hannibal, I wouldn't have thought that you fell under that category - "common man" ?!!? Surely people that enjoy a bit of homo-sapien meat from time to time are not all that "common" at all? :^P Dorothy -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 16:16 To: Multiple recipients of

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2001-08-23 Thread Mohan, Ross
Title: RE: OT - Vaccines Amen.   btw, some other "authorities" don't think vaccines had the played the sole, or even majority role, in disappearance or "de-virulence" of a given disease.   Read, for example "Evolution of Infectious Diseases" by Dr. Pa

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2001-08-22 Thread Hagedorn, Linda
Title: RE: OT - Vaccines Paraphrased from http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010821/us/religion_immunizations_1.html Casper, Wyo.  U.S. District Court Judge William Downes barred the state of Wyoming Dept of Health from holding hearings to determine the level of sincerity about some parents

Re: OT - Vaccines [kidz 'r hell]

2001-08-22 Thread Eric D. Pierce
relax, it will probably get worse! when my son was about 18 months old, and we were in barcelona on vacation, he stuck his head through a very elaborate decorative curved wrought iron stair railing (one of the many architectural wonders there: http://aleph.kubos.org/AN/img/barca/vicen_gd.jpg ,

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2001-08-17 Thread MacGregor, Ian A.
wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT - Vaccines >Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 05:36:53 -0800 > >I wonder if there is a link between all of these vaccines >that are forced upon o

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2001-08-17 Thread MacGregor, Ian A.
I am pro vaccine. I am not pro vaccines with mercury. My wife feels our daughter's autism was caused by the themerisol shots. I am not in agreement, but I cannot dismiss it out of hand. The commonality of the symptoms between mercury poisoning and autism is staggering. I want, however, to

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2001-08-17 Thread Dejam, Ruth
Title: RE: OT - Vaccines >How on earth can a parent make the right decisions??   This is why we have more than 1 child.  You try your best with the first.  Fix your mistakes and make new ones with the second. and so on, and so on...  Despite the same 2 parents, each child has their

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2001-08-17 Thread Khedr, Waleed
, 2001 2:23 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: OT - Vaccines Lisa, we have to go batty, part of being a parent.   Joe One who is 40 next jan with an 11 and 5 year old, with an 8 month old tagging along, am i insane??>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/17/0

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2001-08-17 Thread April Wells
Yep... kids suck the brains right out of you within 10 min of labor. You don't KNOW you are doing the right thing... you have to have faith that you at least are not deliberately harming them, or preventing them from being helped. Worst thing that has ever happened to mine is the got a sore hip

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2001-08-17 Thread Kathy Duret
Title: RE: OT - Vaccines Don't be, having kids is the most wonderful thing in the world!  And you start losing your mind when you get pregnant!   Believe it or not one of the best resources I have is just talking to other women at Baby's R Us, grocery store and the doctor's

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2001-08-17 Thread Jenkins, Michael
nt: Friday, August 17, 2001 12:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L sicker? possibly. But the infant mortality rate has dropped. >From: "Babette Turner-Underwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EM

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2001-08-17 Thread Rodd Holman
Joe, I hear you on that, I've four of my own between 16 and 8. We may not be insane, but we could be idiots ;-0 HELP Rodd Holman On 17 Aug 2001 10:23:07 -0800, JOE TESTA wrote: > Lisa, we have to go batty, part of being a parent. > > Joe > One who is 40 next jan with an 11 and 5 year old, with

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2001-08-17 Thread Farnsworth, Dave
Title: RE: OT - Vaccines >-How do all you parents do this without going batty   Beer  As a matter of fact, It's time to go home and throw back a couple of pints of a good ale! -Original Message-From: Koivu, Lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, August

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2001-08-17 Thread Toepke, Kevin M
RACLE-L sicker? possibly. But the infant mortality rate has dropped. >From: "Babette Turner-Underwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT - Vaccines

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2001-08-17 Thread Scott Shafer
Lisa, chill.You by definition get batty the minute you have kids. All the rest is details. You've seen my brood, briefly, so you know how nuts it can get (I had to throw out the boots BTW ). A lot of the info comes from the net, with suspect sources. Believe it if you will. Or not. Perso

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2001-08-17 Thread JOE TESTA
sharing all this info.  -Original Message- From:   Mohan, Ross [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:   Friday, August 17, 2001 1:48 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:    RE: OT - Vaccines actually, while the overall rate may well have dropped, the US has

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2001-08-17 Thread Koivu, Lisa
Title: RE: OT - Vaccines YOU GUYS ARE SCARING ME OUT OF HAVING CHILDREN! How on earth can a parent make the right decisions?? All the information flying around on the list is pretty unnerving.  Sure the numbers may be very low but the #1 thing I worry about (and most other expectant parents

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2001-08-17 Thread Jeremiah Wilton
On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Jenkins, Michael wrote: > The interesting thing about this thread is the fact that most of the > childhood diseases our children get shots to prevent still exist in > most third-world countries. The last I heard smallpox has been > eliminated from North America, not the worl

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2001-08-17 Thread Mohan, Ross
MAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT - Vaccines >Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 05:36:53 -0800 > >I wonder if there is a link between all of these vaccines >that are forced upon our children and

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2001-08-17 Thread Jenkins, Michael
D]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT - Vaccines >Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 05:36:53 -0800 > >I wonder if there is a link between all of these vaccines >that are forced upon our children and the increa

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2001-08-17 Thread Rachel Carmichael
sicker? possibly. But the infant mortality rate has dropped. >From: "Babette Turner-Underwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT - Vaccines >Date: Fri, 17 Aug 200

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2001-08-17 Thread Scott Shafer
Kathy Duret wrote: > > I just meant I hate the vaccinations. They are a necessary evil for me as I have to >take him to day care. I do give him the infant Tylenol. But how can I explain this >to him when he is uncontrollably sobbing from the shots? > *** You don't. You comfort them and the

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2001-08-17 Thread Michael Kline
09605, 975313 PhoneFree: 1057439  http://members.home.com/mkline1 > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mercadante, > Thomas F > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:31 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject:

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2001-08-17 Thread Kathy Duret
I just meant I hate the vaccinations. They are a necessary evil for me as I have to take him to day care. I do give him the infant Tylenol. But how can I explain this to him when he is uncontrollably sobbing from the shots? Don't get me wrong...this age I love. Every day is a new experience

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2001-08-17 Thread Mark Leith
Over here in the UK, we have our children done in two stages. They have the first at around 4 months, then go back 2/3 months later for the second. There was actually a story on the news a week or so back about a doctor being had up for offering the choice to parents to have the jab "all in one".

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2001-08-17 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
Linda, I agree with Lee. My kids are 11,12 and 15. It is hard to remember when they were 4 months old. When I see small children now, I can't help but smile and laugh. It is absolutely amazing to watch small children learn and accomplish the smallest things - like rolling over and crawling!

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2001-08-17 Thread Babette Turner-Underwood
I wonder if there is a link between all of these vaccines that are forced upon our children and the increase in childhood illnesses, such as asthma and allergies and ADHD and ...?? Something has changed. With our new improved health care system, I believe on average children are sicker than they

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2001-08-17 Thread Lisa Corell Auerbach
Hi Ross - you wrote - > I haven't even *heard* of a case of tuberculosis..rubellamalaria... polio...diptheria...pertussis.in *years*. > Actually, tuberculosis is not really that rare - in fact, I had a very good friend who wound up with a positive PPD (tuberculosis test), apparently

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2001-08-17 Thread Rachel Carmichael
>From: "MacGregor, Ian A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT - Vaccines >Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:28:10 -0800 > " However, it was decided to allow the s

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2001-08-17 Thread Lisa Corell Auerbach
Hi Ross - you wrote - >"...Children who have evidence of immunity as demonstrated by laboratory confirmation of immunity or a reliable medical history of disease are exempt from such requirement" > >|| This says, basically, that is it really ambiguous.lol > Actually, they're ref

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2001-08-17 Thread Robertson Lee - lerobe
Linda, I don't mean to be flippant but I am almost positive in about 13-16 years in the future there will be times when you will look back on those moments with EXTREME fondness Lee -Original Message- Sent: 16 August 2001 21:13 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Thanks for the

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2001-08-16 Thread MacGregor, Ian A.
Mercury is a component of thimerosal which was used to preserve vaccines. The vaccines being manufactured today in the U.S. do not have thimerosal except for DTAP. It seemed someone noticed we were injecting our children with more Mercury then the EPA allows; thus the move to get the Mercury

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2001-08-16 Thread Rachel Carmichael
I'm sure there are (but I'm betting that they are making it very difficult to prove it) >From: "Mohan, Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT - Vaccines

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2001-08-16 Thread Hagedorn, Linda
Title: RE: OT - Vaccines The NY laws allow for religious exemption from vaccinations in the school system: www.health.state.ny.us/nysdoh/immun/guide/immguid.pdf, page 16, "NYS Requirements for School and Post-Secondary Institution Attendance".  While the state school represent

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2001-08-16 Thread Mohan, Ross
right...a kid near dirty water...poor hygiene...poor nutrition... well, that kid might benefit from the vaccine for a malaria or what have you that runs rampant in Mexico. Now, in NYC, when was the last case of malaria? And, if you saw it, it would likely be *far* less virulent. (Read "Evo

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2001-08-16 Thread Mohan, Ross
lol.. I just get more interested in doing my own research and forming my own beliefs the older i get. Worked for me in DBA trenches...it's working for me in life. but.."doctor".naw... lol -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 6:16 PM To: Multiple recipi

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2001-08-16 Thread Kevin Kostyszyn
Yeah Dr. Ross... you get'em:) KK -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 5:49 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L "...Children who have evidence of immunity as demonstrated by laboratory confirmation of immunity or a reliable medical history of disease are exempt from

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2001-08-16 Thread Scott Shafer
Same here. Besides, this close to the border, I get to see the results of no vaccinations with regularity. I'll give my kids the shots. Scott Shafer San Antonio, TX Rachel Carmichael wrote: > > yes there are exceptions and you don't HAVE to give your child the vaccine. > > on the other hand

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2001-08-16 Thread Mohan, Ross
L PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT - Vaccines >Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:13:01 -0800 > >Remember, there is always a medical exception to any vaccine. > >If someone has said, &

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2001-08-16 Thread Mohan, Ross
"...Children who have evidence of immunity as demonstrated by laboratory confirmation of immunity or a reliable medical history of disease are exempt from such requirement" || This says, basically, that is it really ambiguous.lol "After July 1, 2001, all children who have not ye

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2001-08-16 Thread Rachel Carmichael
at you are homeschooling properly... that's considered child neglect >From: "Hagedorn, Linda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: OT - Vaccines >Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 1

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2001-08-16 Thread Mohan, Ross
yikes.the immune system is fabulously complexsecond in complexity only to the brain itself...and it is still very very much in development at early ages...this is why kids -- all kids -- get more colds, etc than us older folks...the system is literally "learning" for the first few years or

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2001-08-16 Thread MakoSoft
Okay, I think we can both eat some words. It is legislated, but there are religious or physical endangerment clauses (Title 32, Chapter 1, Section 46): http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+32.1-46 http://www.elkokidsdoc.com/Pages/WellChild/W_Ex_ChickPox.html This second site

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2001-08-16 Thread Scott Shafer
Give the kid some baby motrin or baby tylenol prior to the shot. Works wonders. I've got two who just got a round of vaccinations this week. Scott Shafer San Antonio, TX Kathy Duret wrote: > > Thanks for the link. As a new parent of a 4 month old, I am always looking for >things to read a

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2001-08-16 Thread Kathy Duret
Thanks for the link. As a new parent of a 4 month old, I am always looking for things to read about newborns. Some Health centers (Long Beach, CA) are now requiring children to have TB shots before they can be entered into day care. My pediatrician refuses (thankfully) to do it before 6 mon

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2001-08-16 Thread Hagedorn, Linda
Title: RE: OT - Vaccines Remember, there is always a medical exception to any vaccine.   If someone has said, 'It's required', remember the US is not a communist state.  They cannot hold you down and give you a vaccine, nor can they force you to have your children vaccinated. 

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2001-08-16 Thread MakoSoft
As having a few chicken pox scars (luckily in areas that are not seen) I understand this some. The vaccine also prevents Shingles later in life. Shingles normally happens in older people where your immune system is stressed/suppressed. It is quite painful. Even though I am not very old, I

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2001-08-16 Thread Jeremiah Wilton
There is a whole new class of vaccines the drug companies are pushing that are supposed to prevent generally non-life-threatening illnesses like Chicken Pox. Merck's Chicken Pox vaccine ad is particularly heinous, as it promotes the vaccine as preventing cosmetic blemishes that result from Chicke