Title: RE: OT - Vaccines
Amen.
btw,
some other "authorities" don't think vaccines had the played the sole, or even
majority role, in
disappearance or "de-virulence" of a given disease.
Read,
for example "Evolution of Infectious Diseases" by Dr. Pau
Hannibal,
I wouldn't have thought that you fell under that category - common man
?!!? Surely people that enjoy a bit of homo-sapien meat from time to time
are not all that common at all? :^P
Dorothy
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relax, it will probably get worse!
when my son was about 18 months old, and we were in barcelona on
vacation, he stuck his head through a very elaborate decorative
curved wrought iron stair railing (one of the many architectural
wonders there: http://aleph.kubos.org/AN/img/barca/vicen_gd.jpg
Title: RE: OT - Vaccines
Paraphrased from http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010821/us/religion_immunizations_1.html
Casper, Wyo. U.S. District Court Judge William Downes barred the state of Wyoming Dept of Health from holding hearings to determine the level of sincerity about some parents
Linda,
I don't mean to be flippant but I am almost positive in about 13-16 years in
the future there will be times when you will look back on those moments with
EXTREME fondness
Lee
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Thanks for the
Hi Ross - you wrote -
...Children who have evidence of immunity as demonstrated by laboratory
confirmation of immunity or a reliable medical history of disease are
exempt from such requirement
|| This says, basically, that is it really ambiguous.lol
Actually, they're
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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:28:10 -0800
However, it was decided to allow the stocks of vaccines with thimerosal to
be used rather than
I wonder if there is a link between all of these vaccines
that are forced upon our children and the increase in
childhood illnesses, such as asthma and allergies
and ADHD and ...??
Something has changed. With our new improved health
care system, I believe on average children are sicker
than they
Linda,
I agree with Lee. My kids are 11,12 and 15. It is hard to remember when
they were 4 months old. When I see small children now, I can't help but
smile and laugh.
It is absolutely amazing to watch small children learn and accomplish the
smallest things - like rolling over and crawling!
Over here in the UK, we have our children done in two stages. They have the
first at around 4 months, then go back 2/3 months later for the second.
There was actually a story on the news a week or so back about a doctor
being had up for offering the choice to parents to have the jab all in
one.
I just meant I hate the vaccinations. They are a necessary evil for me as I have to
take him to day care. I do give him the infant Tylenol. But how can I explain this to
him when he is uncontrollably sobbing from the shots?
Don't get me wrong...this age I love. Every day is a new
Kathy Duret wrote:
I just meant I hate the vaccinations. They are a necessary evil for me as I have to
take him to day care. I do give him the infant Tylenol. But how can I explain this
to him when he is uncontrollably sobbing from the shots?
*** You don't. You comfort them and they
sicker? possibly. But the infant mortality rate has dropped.
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I wonder if there is a link
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Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 05:36:53 -0800
I wonder if there is a link between all of these vaccines
that are forced upon our children and the increase in
childhood illnesses, such as asthma and allergies
and ADHD
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YOU GUYS ARE SCARING ME OUT OF HAVING CHILDREN!
How on earth can a parent make the right decisions?? All the information flying around on the list is pretty unnerving. Sure the numbers may be very low but the #1 thing I worry about (and most other expectant parents
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actually, while the overall rate may well have
dropped, the US has an ABHORRENT record in
this department
Lisa, chill. grin You by definition get batty the minute you have
kids. All the rest is details. You've seen my brood, briefly, so you
know how nuts it can get (I had to throw out the boots BTW evil grin).
A lot of the info comes from the net, with suspect sources. Believe it
if you will.
rate has dropped.
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I wonder if there is a link between all of these vaccines
Title: RE: OT - Vaccines
-How do all you parents do this without going
batty
Beer As a matter of fact, It's time to go
home and throw back a couple of pints of a good ale!
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Joe,
I hear you on that, I've four of my own between 16 and 8.
We may not be insane, but we could be idiots ;-0
HELP
Rodd Holman
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Lisa, we have to go batty, part of being a parent.
Joe
One who is 40 next jan with an 11 and 5 year old, with an
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sicker? possibly. But the infant mortality rate has dropped.
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Title: RE: OT - Vaccines
Don't
be, having kids is the most wonderful thing in the world! And you start
losing your mind when you get pregnant!
Believe it or not one of the best resources I have is
just talking to other women at Baby's R Us, grocery store and the doctor's
office
Yep... kids suck the brains right out of you within 10 min of labor. You
don't KNOW you are doing the right thing... you have to have faith that you
at least are not deliberately harming them, or preventing them from being
helped. Worst thing that has ever happened to mine is the got a sore hip
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Lisa, we have to go batty, part of being a parent.
Joe
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YOU GUYS
Title: RE: OT - Vaccines
How on earth
can a parent make the right decisions??
This is why we have more than 1 child. You try
your best with the first. Fix your mistakes and make new ones with the
second. and so on, and so on... Despite the same 2 parents, each child has
their own
I am pro vaccine. I am not pro vaccines with mercury. My wife feels our daughter's
autism was caused by the themerisol shots. I am not in agreement, but I cannot
dismiss it out of hand. The commonality of the symptoms between mercury poisoning and
autism is staggering. I want, however, to
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Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 05:36:53 -0800
I wonder if there is a link between all of these vaccines
that are forced upon our children and the increase in
childhood illnesses, such as asthma
There is a whole new class of vaccines the drug companies are pushing
that are supposed to prevent generally non-life-threatening illnesses
like Chicken Pox. Merck's Chicken Pox vaccine ad is particularly
heinous, as it promotes the vaccine as preventing cosmetic blemishes
that result from
As having a few chicken pox scars (luckily in areas that are not seen) I understand
this some.
The vaccine also prevents Shingles later in life. Shingles normally happens in older
people where your immune system is stressed/suppressed. It is quite painful. Even
though I am not very old,
Title: RE: OT - Vaccines
Remember, there is always a medical exception to any vaccine.
If someone has said, 'It's required', remember the US is not a communist state. They cannot hold you down and give you a vaccine, nor can they force you to have your children vaccinated. They will also
Thanks for the link. As a new parent of a 4 month old, I am always looking for
things to read about newborns.
Some Health centers (Long Beach, CA) are now requiring children to have TB shots
before they can be entered into day care. My pediatrician refuses (thankfully) to do
it before 6
Give the kid some baby motrin or baby tylenol prior to the shot. Works
wonders. I've got two who just got a round of vaccinations this week.
Scott Shafer
San Antonio, TX
Kathy Duret wrote:
Thanks for the link. As a new parent of a 4 month old, I am always looking for
things to read
Okay,
I think we can both eat some words. It is legislated, but there are religious or
physical endangerment clauses (Title 32, Chapter 1, Section 46):
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+32.1-46
http://www.elkokidsdoc.com/Pages/WellChild/W_Ex_ChickPox.html
This second site
yikes.the immune system is fabulously complexsecond in complexity
only to the brain itself...and it is still very very much in development
at early ages...this is why kids -- all kids -- get more colds, etc than
us older folks...the system is literally learning for the first few years
or
...Children who have evidence of immunity as demonstrated by laboratory
confirmation of immunity or a reliable medical history of disease are exempt
from such requirement
|| This says, basically, that is it really ambiguous.lol
After July 1, 2001, all children who have not yet
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Remember, there is always a medical exception to any vaccine.
If someone has said, 'It's required', remember the US is not a communist
state. They cannot hold you down
Same here. Besides, this close to the border, I get to see the results
of no vaccinations with regularity. I'll give my kids the shots.
Scott Shafer
San Antonio, TX
Rachel Carmichael wrote:
yes there are exceptions and you don't HAVE to give your child the vaccine.
on the other hand,
Yeah Dr. Ross... you get'em:)
KK
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...Children who have evidence of immunity as demonstrated by laboratory
confirmation of immunity or a reliable medical history of disease are exempt
from
lol..
I just get more interested in doing my own research
and forming my own beliefs the older i get.
Worked for me in DBA trenches...it's working for me
in life.
but..doctor.naw...
lol
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right...a kid near dirty water...poor hygiene...poor nutrition...
well, that kid might benefit from the vaccine for a malaria or what
have you that runs rampant in Mexico.
Now, in NYC, when was the last case of malaria?
And, if you saw it, it would likely be *far* less virulent.
(Read
Title: RE: OT - Vaccines
The NY laws allow for religious exemption from vaccinations in the school system: www.health.state.ny.us/nysdoh/immun/guide/immguid.pdf, page 16, NYS Requirements for School and Post-Secondary Institution Attendance.
While the state school representatives may think
I'm sure there are (but I'm betting that they are making it very difficult
to prove it)
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I bet you
Mercury is a component of thimerosal which was used to preserve vaccines. The
vaccines being manufactured today in the U.S. do not have thimerosal except for DTAP.
It seemed someone noticed we were injecting our children with more Mercury then the
EPA allows; thus the move to get the
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