Speak for yourself though I'd prefer to forget it.
Dick Goulet
Weiss; Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 2/21/03 6:49 am:
FORTRAN - Only one or two of us left that have even heard of it, much less
actually made $$$ using it
Rick Weiss
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Now this thread has gone on for a while so its time for my contribution
:-). PL/SQL is such a necessary although pedestrian language that its
not interesting. Of the scripting languages TCL, PERL, and Python all
include facilities for embedding them into other code or adding other
code to them.
FORTRAN - Only one or two of us left that have even heard of it, much less
actually made $$$ using it
Rick Weiss
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Assembler.
On Wednesday 19 February 2003 03:33, Robson, Peter
Hey, just a minute - aren't you forgetting Dos... ?
peter
Now this thread has gone on for a while so its time for my contribution
:-). PL/SQL is such a necessary although pedestrian language that its
not interesting. Of the scripting languages TCL, PERL, and Python all
include facilities for
Add me to the count.
Though, I was making rubles not $$$ using it -:)
Igor Neyman, OCP DBA
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FORTRAN - Only one or two of us left that have even
Now this thread has gone on for a while so its time for my
contribution
:-). PL/SQL is such a necessary although pedestrian language that its
not interesting. Of the scripting languages TCL, PERL, and Python all
include facilities for embedding them into other code or adding other
code to
Yeah Yeah Yeah !
peter
.
FORTRAN - Only one or two of us left that have even heard of it, much less
actually made $$$ using it
Rick Weiss
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Assembler.
On Wednesday 19 February
Title: RE: Programming languages that make DBA's lives easier
I much pefer Oberon or Scheme.
Matt Adams - GE Appliances - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
We have enough youth.
How about a fountain of intelligence?
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For some reason http://mindprod.com/unmain.html comes to my mind.
Raj
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Rajendra dot Jamadagni at espn dot com
Any views expressed here are strictly personal.
QOTD: Any
LOL
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Now this thread has gone on for a while so its time for my
contribution
:-). PL/SQL is such a necessary although pedestrian language that its
not
I think thats the goal of .NET CLI. Write in anything ... mix and match.
On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Nelson, Allan wrote:
Now this thread has gone on for a while so its time for my contribution
:-). PL/SQL is such a necessary although pedestrian language that its
not interesting. Of the scripting
Does Oracle have punch cards with their logo on them?
How do we order some? We need some for our Fortran applications...
; )
Pat.
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FORTRAN - Only one or two of us left that have even
Title: RE: Programming languages that make DBA's lives easier
That is a great link :)
-Original Message-From: Jamadagni, Rajendra
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003
11:55 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject:
RE: Programming languages
, 2003 1:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Programming languages that make DBA's lives easier
PL/SQL is not a programming language?
What are your criteria that must be met
before it's a programming language?
Jared
On Tuesday 18 February 2003 09:24, [EMAIL
I know little about WSH, but it fairly sure it's not a language.
It's a 'scripting host', an engine that allows you to plug in
a scripting language. I believe it even runs Perl. :)
Jared
On Tuesday 18 February 2003 18:43, Maria Aurora VT de la Vega wrote:
PLSQL, java and shell scripting.
Assembler.
On Wednesday 19 February 2003 03:33, Robson, Peter wrote:
I wonder if I can throw in a further caveat to the choices people would
make?
If you had to choose a programming language in which to write a program or
application in which you wished to conceal your intellectual
good. - Original
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From: Nick Wagner
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 3:08 PM
Subject: RE: Programming languages that make DBA's lives easier
If you are just learning Korn Shell programming, I'd recommend
The Korn Shell
I
wonder if I can throw in a further caveat to the choices people would
make?
If you
had to choose a programming language in which to write a program
orapplication in which you wished to conceal your intellectual property,
which would you use?
peter
edinburgh
-Original
AFAIK
NOT
shell scripts
NOT
batchscript
anything else probably works for
you
Jack
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Klingon.
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If you had to choose a programming language in which to write a program or
application in which you wished to conceal your intellectual property, which
would you use?
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On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 06:08:53AM -0800, Stephen Lee wrote:
Klingon.
so you can speak to the sysadmins...
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If you had to choose a programming language in which to write a program or
application in which you wished to conceal your intellectual property,
The same way as you do perl: external library
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Cool! How'd you
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RE: Programming languages
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02/19/2003 09:08 AM
Live long and prosper!
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Klingon.
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Subject:
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02/18
I think it would be more appropriate to say.
Today is a good day to die!
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Let the Holy Wars begin...
My choice:
korn shell
perl
pl/sql
Ron Thomas
Hypercom, Inc
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Each new user of a new system uncovers a new class of bugs. -- Kernighan
C
Shell
Scripting
Perl
Pl/SQL
- "not really a programming language"
Java
Now,
if the more developer-minded DBA's amongst us could rate them as % important
that would be cool!
-Original Message-From: Les Ayudo
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:56
On Unix, ksh. VERY useful for automating maintenance.
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On top of learning Oracle, which programming languages would also benefit
some1 learning Oracle? Perl? Java? How would these languages be used?
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In priority order, I would recommend:
SQL
Whatever language your apps are
written in: its probably Java or PL/SQL, but it might be anything
(PHP, Perl, VB, ASP, Python, Tcl, C, C++, C#, ksh, csh, sh, etc.). If youve
not found your job yet, then the best bets are Java
Let the Holy Wars begin...
My choice:
korn shell
perl
pl/sql
Ron Thomas
Hypercom, Inc
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Nah! - FORTRAN !
peter
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I have always found that both C and understanding makefiles were
fundamental to running oracle on linux/unix. When the installer breaks,
the knowledge comes in handy. And the installer seems to break quite
often...
-Candi
On Tue, 2003-02-18 at 11:56, Les Ayudo wrote:
On top of learning
PL/SQL is not a programming language?
What are your criteria that must be met
before it's a programming language?
Jared
On Tuesday 18 February 2003 09:24, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
C
Shell Scripting
Perl
Pl/SQL - not really a programming language
Java
Now, if the more developer-minded
If you are using C/C++ look into www.swig.org to make your life easier
On Tue, 18 Feb 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
C
Shell Scripting
Perl
Pl/SQL - not really a programming language
Java
Now, if the more developer-minded DBA's amongst us could rate them as %
important that would be
I tend to agree here. I would say:
1. PL/SQL
2. korn shell (or sh, bash, whatever you choose).
3. Perl
These are 3 necessities.
-Scott
At 09:59 AM 2/18/03 -0800, you wrote:
You need to know PL/SQL if you're going to be effective with Oracle.
Java is interesting, but not nearly as useful to
In my opinion, there are languages you learn
because you'll have to deal with them whether it is to make use of a good set of
scripts that someone has made available, orprograms you'll need to
maintain at some level. And there are languages you learn because they
allow you to quickly and
On Tuesday 18 February 2003 09:24, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
C
Not much need for most DBA's to ever use C, though
not a bad thing to know.
Certainly doesn't belong at the top of the list for a DBA.
Jraed
Shell Scripting
Perl
Pl/SQL - not really a programming language
Java
Now, if the
Les Ayudo wrote:
On top of learning Oracle, which programming languages would also
benefit some1 learning Oracle? Perl? Java? How would these languages
be used?
In (my) order of importance:
1. SQL and PL/SQL
2. Whatever shell scripting language your environment supports
(sh,ksh,csh,bash
You need to know PL/SQL if you're going to be effective with Oracle.
Java is interesting, but not nearly as useful to a DBA as Perl.
Jared
On Tuesday 18 February 2003 08:56, Les Ayudo wrote:
On top of learning Oracle, which programming languages would also benefit
some1 learning Oracle?
What's your goal?
If you are writing scripts then use perl or python. IMO, python is more
maintainable when your codebase gets bigger. If you're writing a system or
application python is still good.
If your goal is to get on the hype then go java, xml, .net, and throw in a
webservice API. Also,
Title: RE: Programming languages that make DBA's lives easier
Jared your right I just see PL/SQL different from other programming languages from the perspective of its openness. For example, I write korn shell scripts to do a number of things not just related to managing an Oracle database
you
can take the (more unix friendly)
ksh
c
c++
Java
path,
all those languages are very similar, or the (more windows
friendly)
pl/sql
Delphi
path...
if you
know pl/sql... delphi should come pretty easily. If you know ksh, or c,
then c++ and Java will come pretty easily...
Title: RE: Programming languages that make DBA's lives easier
Programming languages that make DBA's lives easier:
The ones you already know and feel comfortable with.
(Of course Oracle connectivity is a basic requirement.)
Programming languages that make DBA's lives HARDER:
The ones forced
See, that depends on how big a shop you run. I have to pull duty as the
sysadmin as well. If the installer does not work, a relink fails, etc,
I can't call my unix guy and ask for it to be fixed. I have found many
problems with the install programs as shipped by oracle, especially on
Linux (all
My vote as well.
If you don't know PL/SQL you are not too effective as a DBA. Just a point
and click addict.
Knowing the shell you are in and having a utilitiy language to use while you
are in it are good additions. Although , if you use Unix I would add AWK
and SED to that list.
Microsoft DOS scripting for the Windows side.
Patrice Boivin
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You need to know PL/SQL if you're going to be effective with Oracle.
Java is interesting, but not nearly as useful to a
#1, 2 are a must. #3 should be whatever your favor langauage whether
it's Perl or Java or C etc.
Richard
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My vote as well.
If you don't know PL/SQL you are not too effective as a
A list of languages doesnt do much good unless you know why they are needed
and how important the language is to your Oracle implementation:
1) PL/SQL.
Vital! Needed in order to create database triggers, functions,
procedures, and packages. Know it and know how to write it well. This
18, 2003 2:10
PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE:
Programming languages that make DBA's lives easier
you
can take the (more unix friendly)
ksh
c
c++
Java
path, all those languages are very similar, or the (more windows
friendly)
pl/sql
Title: RE: Programming languages that make DBA's lives easier
No offense but I have noticed in the various Unix/Oracle shops I have worked that more sys. admins. and Unix types knew korn shell prog. and Java then Perl.
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From: Ron Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
I thought it might be worthwhile to say WHY I prefer ksh for most scripting.
As one writer put it, use a language you know. I've used ksh for years, so
that is certainly one big factor in preferring it. But, that aside, if you
use mostly the Bourne Shell syntax and stay away from the some of
Title: RE: Programming languages that make DBA's lives easier
3, 4, 5, 6 can be replaced with Python or Jython with wx_Python for added
GUI-ness. :-)
http://www.networkcomputing.com/unixworld/tutorial/005/005.html#Others
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=3882
http
On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 12:23:49PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No offense
By definition there must be an offense in a holy war!
but I have noticed in the various Unix/Oracle shops I have worked
that more sys. admins. and Unix types knew korn shell prog. and Java then
Perl.
Cool! How'd you get Python to run from a DBMS_JOB?
:D
Rich
Rich JesseSystem/Database Administrator
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What are the good books you guys recommend for Shell Programming? I have old
edition of UNIX shells by example (by Ellie Quigley). I need to replace this
with some good book.
Do I need to learn perl before reading PERL for DBAs? If so, what are the
good perl books do you guys recommend?
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Title: RE: Programming languages that make DBA's lives easier
If you are just learning Korn Shell programming, I'd recommend
The Korn Shell (3rd edition)
by Anatole Olczak
it's better than others I have seen, but basic... you won't get deep enough to make any huge programs
Title: RE: Programming languages that make DBA's lives easier
I have Unix Shell Programming revised Edition by
Kochan and Wood. Haven't had time to sit down and read it but it's
supposed to be really good.
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From:
Nick
Wagner
To: Multiple recipients
The choices would be vary, I suggest you to learn everything you need to
learn.
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exec DBMS_SHAWM.PLAY('CHARMER')
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Cool! How'd you get Python to run from a DBMS_JOB?
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PLSQL, java and shell scripting. Can't say perl...have yet to start learning it.
I don't know if you guys are having problems with your batch programs in
Windows...
but a few of the old DOS commands I used to use don't work on Win2k anymore...
like choice. And whenever I search for more
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