i apologize if someone posted this answer(i missed it if you did), but why do cached
lobs require writes on the control file? and jonathan said that isnt 'necessarily'
bad. is that because there isnt alot of I/O?
so caching lobs are primarily useful for read only or read 'mostly' LOBs?
Hi!
i apologize if someone posted this answer(i missed it if you did), but why
do cached lobs require writes on the control file?
NOCACHE NOLOGGING LOBs require writes to controlfile, because last nologging
operation to a datafile has to be reflected somewhere, for being able to
determine which
I know when oracle uses a fast full scan. Its the full scan that does 1 I/O at a time.
I rarely see oracle using it and when it does, it generally means my table(s) aren't
properly analyzed.
From: David Hau [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2004/01/26 Mon PM 10:34:25 EST
To: Multiple recipients of
btw, in many cases range scan is faster than a fast full scan. Range scan recursively
hits the nodes that are needed and skips the ones that are not. So it reads less
blocks.
So if you are looking for a 'range' or a specific value, range scan beats fast full
scan most of the time. Less
i found numerous cases(I dont have them in front of me) when fast full scan incurred
far more logical I/Os than an index range scan.
I found this particularly for oltp type get 10 records transactions. However, I forced
an index_ffs once and it increased my logical I/Os by 30% but decreased my
my question pertains to regular 'index full scans' NOT index fast full scans.
any ideas? I rarely ever find this to be an optimal index access method for anything.
From: Tanel Poder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2004/01/27 Tue AM 11:19:27 EST
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Yes, and my reply was about regular index full scans, according to your
question.
Tanel.
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my question pertains to regular 'index full scans' NOT index fast full
ive found that index_ffs typically incur higher logical I/Os that index range scans.
so its not just access speeds.
From: David Hau [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2004/01/27 Tue AM 11:54:26 EST
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where did you hear that oracle 10g was written almost entirely outside the
US?
what critical problems have you had with 9i?
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On 01/23/2004 07:54:25 PM, Arnold, Sandra
Personal communication.
On 01/24/2004 06:44:24 AM, Ryan wrote:
where did you hear that oracle 10g was written almost entirely
outside
the
US?
what critical problems have you had with 9i?
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this also. I will email him
To ask for details. Anybody else experience with this or this patch?
Regards,
Jeroen
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Verzonden: vrijdag 23 januari 2004 3:19
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Onderwerp: RE: Re
i heard tom kyte speak in december. He said first quarter 2004 for solaris.
most people seem to still be on 8i. We have both 8i and 9i instance here. It will
probably be a year before many employers are using it anywy.
From: Grabowy, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2004/01/23 Fri PM 03:24:45
We still have an 8.1.5 database as well as two 8.1.7.4 and one 9.2.04
databases. We are planning on upgrading our 8i databases this year. The
rate we are going it probably will be two years before we get to 10g.
Sandra
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To:
On 01/23/2004 07:54:25 PM, Arnold, Sandra wrote:
We still have an 8.1.5 database as well as two 8.1.7.4 and one 9.2.04
databases. We are planning on upgrading our 8i databases this year.
The
rate we are going it probably will be two years before we get to 10g.
Sandra
That would be a very
Im not sure I see what the size of the PAT has to do with a memory leak. On
metalink there is a laundry list of PGA things that were supposedly causing
memory leaks prior to 9.2.0.4. Are you certain its PAT causing it? Maybe
they didnt fix all the memory leaks with the PGA in general?
has anyone
Paul,
Most of my work is on HP-UX and AIX.
I have yet to see any ORA-600 and memory leaks related to P_A_T. All databases that I
work with
are on 9.2.0.4, except just one running on 9.2.0.3. No memory leak there either.
- Kirti
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--- Kirtikumar
comments in line... I may need correction from some of you on this.
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Wondering if there is a rule of thumb, quick'n fast but good enough
to be used as an indicator, litmus paper
Well, I don't know about anyone else, but I make use of it to synchronize data upload
programs for our testers. Can't have two instances of the upload program processing
the same tester, they'd duplicate data. Anyhow, we normally run 4 instances of this
program the dbms_lock package works
I have had a problem on my 9i database for three weeks. I am getting a
ORA-7445 error which is pointing to some memory problems. It is occurring
during the CTX_DOC.FILTER process. We are running this process from a
custom PL/SQL package that is being initiated from an Oracle Job. However,
we
Thanks Kirti and everyone who responded.
This forum is really great.
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Date: Thursday, January 22, 2004 12:14 pm
Why not process the trace file with 9i tkprof?
It will nicely summarize the wait times for those events.
After seeing those unique wait events, your
I came across a very nice example a while ago
where there were 4 concurrent sessions feeding
data into a holding table, and one session consuming
from the table.
The rules said that the consumer could not run
while the producers were loading the table, but
multiple producers were allowed to run.
Sandra - Are you on 9.2.0.4?
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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I have had a problem on my 9i database for three weeks. I am getting a
ORA-7445 error which is
Yes. On Solaris 5.8.
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Sandra - Are you on 9.2.0.4?
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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Onderwerp: Re: Re: pga_aggregate_target and a memory leak
Im not sure I see what the size of the PAT has to do with a memory leak. On
metalink there is a laundry list
2004 11:05
Aan: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Onderwerp: Re: Re: pga_aggregate_target and a memory leak
Im not sure I see what the size of the PAT has to do with a memory leak. On
metalink there is a laundry list of PGA things that were supposedly causing
memory leaks prior to 9.2.0.4. Are you
nuno-- what level are you trying to scale it to? how long will you hold the locks? I
used it last year because only one process could run at a time.
seemed to have similiar over head to 'select for update'. If you look at the PL/SQL
Packages book by Fuerstein et al(not a real popular book, but
I was using Lattice-C on x286.
Igor Neyman, OCP DBA
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yup
Dick GouletSenior Oracle DBAOracle Certified 8i
DBA
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5:29 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject:
Re: Re[2]: Oracle vs MysqlAt 03:29 PM 1/20/2004, you
wrote
kirti-- would you recommend avoiding pga_aggregate_target for now?
From: Kirtikumar Deshpande [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I think it depends on your applications.
In DSS type environments we are still stuggling to figure out if P_A_T is helping or
not. Initial
tests are not in P_A_T's favor.
But in another Application, that is 80% OLTP, P_A_T was the only choice to avoid
swapping. This
9.2.0.3 database had the
Hmm, that's actually a very good idea.
It might actually do the job here. Thanks.
Nuno Souto
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Jamadagni, Rajendra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
if it is single instance you could also use global application
contexts ... (alas they don't work in RAC across node) ...
--
Please
--- Kirtikumar Deshpande
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I think it depends on your applications.
In DSS type environments we are still stuggling to
figure out if P_A_T is helping or not. Initial
tests are not in P_A_T's favor.
But in another Application, that is 80% OLTP, P_A_T
was the only
We have a new reporting instance [Solaris 8, 8GB RAM, 4 CPUs, 9.2.0.4]
where initially SGA_MAX_SIZE was 2GB, DB_CACHE_SIZE was 32MB,
SHARED_POOL_SIZE was 200MB and PGA_AGGREGATE_TARGET was 100MB.
There are approx 10 to 15 active users at any time.
Without really having any baseline we've gone
On 2004.01.19 23:39, Jonathan Gennick wrote:
I used to use a SQL Module compiler. Not with Oracle though.
It's rare for me to run into someone else who likes that
approach. Actually, it's rare for me to encounter someone
who's even heard of it...
Jonathan, I've been around for a long time.
I added the parameter to registry OSAUTH_PREFIX_DOMAIN=true
but it didn't help.
Any other place where i can see..?
Thanks and Regards
B S Pradhan
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 Jared Still wrote :
You must set OSAUTH_PREFIX_DOMAIN=true in the registry to
use externally identified domain
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Jonathan, I've been around for a long time. I've seen things like
DataLens for Lotus123, SQL*Calc, Easy*SQL, then there was an Oracle
Beat ya: Oracle Add-In for Lotus 123.
Using Ora*Net (Async), V4.1.4.
1987. And demoed to the press that same year.
g,dr
if Oracle is offshoring its develeoping of its database, everyone else will also... so
much for job security.
anyone I heard postgre sql has multi-versioning? Is it implemented like Oracle?
So UDB is the new DB2? Oracle claims that DB2 is not one database but a different
database for
Mladen Gogala scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
On 2004.01.19 23:39, Jonathan Gennick wrote:
I used to use a SQL Module compiler. Not with Oracle though.
It's rare for me to run into someone else who likes that
approach. Actually, it's rare for me to encounter someone
who's even
Ahhh.
Sql*Calc, Sql*Graph, Sqr EasySqr. Those were the good old days.
Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional
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Mladen Gogala scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
On
Then here's a rare treat for you! I *loved* SQL mods in RDB. I could make
a program in MACRO, BASIC, FORTRAN, BLISS, Ada, DIBOL, or Mladen's favorite
COBOL, and could effortlessly have them do DB work. I also didn't have to
hunt thru all the source for a single SQL statement since they were in
Do you remember IBM System 3/10? RPGII flat files? 120 col. punch cards?
No hard drives?
My $0.02 worth,
Ken Janusz, CPIM
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Careful Mladen, your revealing your
The RPT RPF Oracle class was what made me go looking very quickly for a
batch Oracle tool. Then I found SQR. (This was all before PL/SQL and the
current versions of Oracle Reports). We bought it and the rest was history.
Why Oracle didn't buy SQR when they had a chance amazes me.
Tom
I've got my GX21-9129-9 right here in front of me. It should be in a
museum...
I'll take Obscure Geek References for $800, Alex.
Rich
Rich JesseSystem/Database Administrator
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA
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I do indeed. Rumor was that rpt/rpf was written by Larry himself.
On 01/20/2004 09:39:34 AM, Goulet, Dick wrote:
Careful Mladen, your revealing your age!! Bet you remember RPT
RPF
as well!!
Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA
Oracle Certified 8i DBA
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On 01/20/2004 08:04:33 AM, Thater, William wrote:
Mladen Gogala scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
oh damn, have we been at this too long?;-)
Yes, we probably have. I must say that the spirit of Oracle Corp.
has changed significantly since the days of Geoff Squire, Chris Ellis,
Richard
Probably because they were dropping RPT RPF SQR smells a lot like it, YUCK!
Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA
Oracle Certified 8i DBA
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The RPT RPF Oracle class was what made me go
[snip]
120 col. punch cards?
You had a high-density model. Mine only had 80 cols, of which 72 were usable for my
goto-happy Fortran statements.
SF
No hard drives?
My $0.02 worth,
Ken Janusz, CPIM
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Careful Mladen, your revealing your age!! Bet you remember RPT RPF as well!!
Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA
Oracle Certified 8i DBA
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On 2004.01.19 23:39, Jonathan Gennick wrote:
I
On 01/20/2004 10:09:34 AM, KENNETH JANUSZ wrote:
Do you remember IBM System 3/10? RPGII flat files? 120 col. punch
cards?
No hard drives?
My $0.02 worth,
Ken Janusz, CPIM
I've never done anything with System/3. My first IBM was 3084
with MVS and IMS, running on 8M RAM. After an upgrade, it was
a
RPT was great stuff. In addition to SELECT statements it could do full
DML, DDL, and DCL (I think.) Like Unix it was just particular on who it
was friendly with. :-) Then there was RPT2C. Now there's perl.
Eschewing the pointy-clicky stuff.
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YES!
Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA
Oracle Certified 8i DBA
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Do you remember IBM System 3/10? RPGII flat files? 120 col. punch cards?
No hard drives?
My $0.02 worth,
Ken Janusz, CPIM
The old IBM System3 machines used 120 col. punch cards. And initially they
had no HD's. Everything was done with cards and a reader/sorter. To
compile a program you took the code you wrote, punched it into cards and
then put it behind a stack of cards that was the compiler. The machine read
What RPT and RPF exactly are? Are they some sort of reporting tool?
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RPT was great stuff. In addition to SELECT statements it could do full
DML, DDL, and DCL (I
Jonathan,
The only reason MySql is known better is that big mouth equal to Bill Gates
in Finland. Otherwise PostGreSql is the much better product.
Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA
Oracle Certified 8i DBA
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Yupp. RPF=report formatter or some such.
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eric king
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What RPT and RPF exactly are? Are they some sort of reporting tool?
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Eric,
They were the precusors to Oracle reports. RPT was the report extraction
tool, and RPF was the report formatter.
Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA
Oracle Certified 8i DBA
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But, unless you have old diskettes... you'll never see them. They died with
the demise of v5.
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Yupp. RPF=report formatter or some such.
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eric king
Sent:
On 01/20/2004 03:29:33 PM, Goulet, Dick wrote:
Jonathan,
The only reason MySql is known better is that big mouth
equal to Bill Gates in Finland. Otherwise PostGreSql is the much
better product.
Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA
Oracle Certified 8i DBA
Dick, when you are talking about big
I know I used to set up RPT and do all sorts of complex updating things. At the State
and with things coming from mainframes, the data organization seemed to lend itself
well to RPT.
Since the organization was like of loops within loops, I could take the high order
update and then loop through
Dick, when you are talking about big mouth from Finland, you probably
don't refer to Pamela Anderson, also from Finland? The other person
from Finland, whom I will not mention except by the first name (Linus)
should be given credit for a wonderful OS that is successfully breaking
the MS
If Mr Torvalds needs a security blanket, I'd be happy to send him several. Yes he
crafted a wonderful OS I sincerely hope he knocks Billy Gates down to size. Seems
to be doing one heck of a job at it, even with SCO on MicroSlop's side. MS Anderson
appears headed for the twilight, thank GOD.
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if Oracle is offshoring its develeoping of its database,
everyone
At 03:29 PM 1/20/2004, you wrote:
I do indeed. Rumor was that rpt/rpf
was written by Larry himself.
Now I understand! I once applied for a job at Oracle, and got asked: What
do you think about RPT/RPF. My answer: Probably som hobby-project of one
or another developer, which, after demonstration
Hi
Thanks for the info. Let me try this.
Regards,
B S Pradhan
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 Jared Still wrote :
You must set OSAUTH_PREFIX_DOMAIN=true in the registry to
use externally identified domain accounts.
I can't recall if the default value is true or false, but
try setting it
DENNIS WILLIAMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sounds like the old Oracle vs. Ingress battles. Oracle won because it
was
better at marketing. All detailed in the book The Difference Between
God
and Larry Ellison. I can see it now -- MySQL, the Oracle of the free
Bzzzt. Oracle won because it
I have just done an Amazon search, I guess that Melanie Craft's book 'A Hard-Hearted
Man (Intimate Moments, No 870)' will bring some terrific change to my usual reading
list. Although one of her other masterpieces, 'Trust Me' looks terribly reminiscent of
the Oracle doc, doesn't it.
SF (almost
At first stab...I would guess that there is something foobarred with the
primary key index.
I would rebuild the primary key and try again.
Brad O.
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It is not an expensive query.It
not reflect those of my employer or customers **
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Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 6:34 AM
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Subject: Re: re BCV / SnapShot / SnapClone and the ALTER SYSTEM
Yes, I hadn't read
in this message are entirely mine and do
not reflect those of my employer or customers **
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Subject: Re: re BCV / SnapShot / SnapClone and the ALTER SYSTEM
John, I know that fro RMAN tablespaces need not be in hot backup
mode. The trick with susspend is quick dirty way of achieving
the same effect as with the cold backup, without bringing the
database down. No RMAN involved
Yes, I hadn't read the line
so the tablespaces had to be put into backup mode or (8i and after) the
database had to be suspended
you _do_ have an OR between the backup mode and the database .. suspended.
We hadn't heard of anyone using the SUSPEND and didn't want to take the chance
of a database
sorry, the second query uses equality operator..
WHERE UPPER(col1) = 'xyz';
index hint is not helping.
regards,
B S Pradhan
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On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 zions swordfish wrote :
hi, pradhan,
I don't see any kind of differences with your two queries, but
I suggest you to use
Another way would be to do exchange partition between a single- or multipartition
partitioned table and a regular table.
Easier than dbms_redefinition and less locking issues than with manual lock swap.
Tanel.
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Saatja: Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kuupäev: 09.01.2004 16:14:33
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Title: RE: Re[2]: Books on rac
Hi Jonathan
Don asked me if I would be interested in writing the Programmers Interview book... the Apps book was just done, so I took him up on the offer.
I am writing for CRC... in fact I have one in process now for them.
April
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I should have expressed myself more clearly. Suspend is not necessary, it's only fast.
Basically,
with suspend, you don't put tablespaces into backup mode. You suspend, resync, split
and start aonther instance as if it crashed. As no I/O is going to disk, datafiles
aren't
fuzzy, so no recovery
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[irrelevant stuff deleted]
P.S. I can work powerpoint too.
Close your Powerpoint.exe and S L O W L Y back away from the keyboard and nobody gets
hurt ...
Raj
Rajendra dot Jamadagni at
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Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 1:59 AM
My question, Richard, is can a person pass the exam just by studying
what is correct? Or is it necessary to work harder to acquire some
veneer of false knowledge
Hi Prem
Comments in line.
Hi Richard ,
Many a thanx for both of your replies .
All my worry is : do such questions appear in the real exams also ?
Although there are certainly some dodgy questions and correspondingly suz
answers, I think you'll find the majority of the OCP exam will have
Hello everybody thank for your answers,
the size I'm talking about is summing up real sizes of archivelogs files, and I had each configuration of redo logs for one week, and the first one was for many months.
Therewas not any change on database objects and the database is small, thesumming up
Richard Foote scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
So in short Cary, you have a fair to average chance of passing the
exams :)
that's Ok for Cary, what about us mere mortals?;-)
--
Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA
I'm going to work my ticket if I can... -- Gilwell song
:
Mauricio Vélez
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 4:04
PM
Subject: Re: Re: Difference on ArchiveLog
(I'm rewriting the question)
Hello everybody thank for your answers,
the size I'm talking about is summing up real sizes of archivelogs
Mauricio,
Variances of 1G of redo generation (i.e. 4G one day, 2G
another day, 3G another day) are not indicative of anything
unusual. I've seen systems that generate 4T of redo one
day, 6T of redo another day, and then only 0.5T of redo the
following day. All without changing the size of the
To what Mladen said about the optimizer_blah parameters, there is another thing which
can be added. Most third-party software is over-indexed (as you have noticed) because
they optimistically want to cover *all* possible cases and quite often a column which
is highly discreminant at one site
I didn't mean to scold... you post way more information than I usually
do!
And I answer whilst eating breakfast at times too :)
Richard *is* right, the problem is, the sql statement is misformed but
the answer key says it will work. Which is yet another reason I dislike
the OCP exams.
---
A small but growing number of employers want certification. Considering the
job market, I recommend anyone who is not at Rachel's, etc.. level to get
certified as both a developer and a DBA. I'm doing Java also, just to have
it. The java test is a total joke. You only need to get 52% right and its
Title: RE: Re[2]: another OCP question -- help me guys
Uh No one can be at Rachel's level. She's the DBA Goddess
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Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:55 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: Re: Re[2
Michael Abbey once said (I'm paraphrasing here) the resume and OCP get
you in the door. It's your experience that gets you the job and keeps
you there
We've had numerous discussions on this list about interview questions.
I've been on interviews where I spent an entire day (9-4) and talked to
11
Rachel Carmichael scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
Oh yeah -- how does having a college degree in art history make a
person a better DBA? how does my degree, which is in computer science
but which is 28 years old, have anything to do with current
programming and database work?
it
degrees and ocps often do alot more than get you past the HR department.
most jobs these days are short term temp jobs. temp companies offer you
salary based mainly on your resume.
most technical interviews are a joke. I can make more money if I double my
experience level and have a computer
On 01/07/2004 10:19:25 AM, Rachel Carmichael wrote:
Oh yeah -- how does having a college degree in art history make a
person a better DBA? how does my degree, which is in computer science
but which is 28 years old, have anything to do with current programming
and database work?
Believe it
My question, Richard, is can a person pass the exam just by studying
what is correct? Or is it necessary to work harder to acquire some
veneer of false knowledge specifically in order to pass the exam?
Cary Millsap
Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd.
http://www.hotsos.com
Upcoming events:
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I do understand, and that's why I said that I tried to bring people in
first, before HR (as you know)
--- Thater, William [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rachel Carmichael scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
Oh yeah -- how does having a college degree in art history make a
person a better
Rachel Carmichael scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
I do understand, and that's why I said that I tried to bring people in
first, before HR (as you know)
yup, but most places don't have a Goddess on staff.;-) and i'm seeing the
requirement for OCP being listed in consulting postings
for performance tuning exam you have to know some garbage.
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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 10:59 AM
My question, Richard, is can a person pass the exam just by studying
what is correct? Or is it
Misconceptions, superstitions and myths are always useful to know
and believe in. They make people better socialized and the risk
of being burnt at stake as a heretic(metaphorically, of course)
is much lower.
On 01/07/2004 10:59:26 AM, Cary Millsap wrote:
Or is it necessary to work harder to
From past history:
I passed the 8 and 8i exams without having done any work in either
version, nor did I study for them. I used Jonathan's method of using
later questions to infer the answer to earlier ones, in part. Marlene
Theriault, an excellent DBA, took several tries to pass because she
knew
Now I understand their use, I shall immediately go out and hire an art
history major as the deparmental sacrifical lamb (and dartboard while
we are at it)
I'm still a hands-on DBA, although I have some paperwork
responsibilities as well. Not management, other than my own work :)
Rachel
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Wasn't it you, Cary, who got tought by his parents that every question has
two answers: The right one and the one the teacher wants to hear? And you
had to learn them both?
That's merely what OCP is about, I think. Get a certificate to get hired,
and get the proper knowledge to remain hired
Title: RE: Re[2]: another OCP question -- help me guys
brutal, absolutely brutal...
Rachel, can ya out-source your sacrificial lamb for our use as well:-)
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From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 11:54 AM
To: Multiple
Rachel,
A few years ago I was offered a job by a defense contractor in the area who
was looking for a DBA, but more importantly a DBA with a still active clearance. Well
all was well in 90% of that company, except HR. Simple answer, no degree no job. I
don't have the degree so they
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