RE: re SHUTDOWN ABORT -- was RE: Debate on rc commands Solaris and

2003-02-06 Thread Robert Freeman
Let me throw in my 2 cents worth on this topic. There are two problems with SHUTDOWN ABORT that I have experienced in the past. 1. Before 9i (it appears to be fixed in 9i) if you inserted data in a table, then did a shutdown abort, if after restarting the database, you tried to truncate the table

RE: re SHUTDOWN ABORT -- was RE: Debate on rc commands Solaris and

2003-02-03 Thread Jeremiah Wilton
Rajesh, There are unknowns with every feature. ABORT is a feature just as IMMEDIATE is. In version 7, I encountered a bug with IMMEDIATE that required recovery from a backup, and eventually manual BBED'ing of the SYSTEM datafile by Oracle BDE. SO maybe we shouldn't use immediate either. I'll j

RE: re SHUTDOWN ABORT -- was RE: Debate on rc commands Solaris and

2003-02-03 Thread Rajesh Dayal
I totally agree I am witness of one of these untested combination resulting in "true disaster" . And the combination was shutdown immediate to an extremely busy database (with no response), followed by shutdown abort and all the data files got corrupted. We could not recover tha

Re: re SHUTDOWN ABORT -- was RE: Debate on rc commands Solaris and

2003-02-03 Thread Jonathan Lewis
I have to say that I still have an emotional response to 'shutdown abort', despite knowing that logically it ought to be perfectly safe. The reason for this is the lack of stress testing that goes on at Oracle Corp. In most (if not all) cases, the only blanket stress test that the software gets

Re: re SHUTDOWN ABORT -- was RE: Debate on rc commands Solaris and

2003-02-02 Thread Tim Gorman
...kind of a side story on the virtues of ALTER SYSTEM CHECKPOINT... About 6-7 years ago, I was teaching Oracle Education's "Backup and Recovery Workshop", which was a 3 day class. The first 2 days are blabber/lecture and the last day is all lab. In that last day, students spend the morning desi

Re: re SHUTDOWN ABORT -- was RE: Debate on rc commands Solaris and

2003-02-02 Thread Connor McDonald
You're absolutely correct - I have neglected the acknowledge many of the various places I've seen proposing the 'alter system checkpoint / shutdown abort' model, including your web site. Apologies. Cheers Connor --- Jeremiah Wilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alter system checkpoint... You don

Re: re SHUTDOWN ABORT -- was RE: Debate on rc commands Solaris and

2003-02-02 Thread Jared Still
I began using 'shutdown abort' on a regular basis in 7.x ( whenever shutdown immediate became available ) because that was the *only* way to guarantee a shutdown. Jared On Sunday 02 February 2003 01:23, Jeremiah Wilton wrote: > Alter system checkpoint... You don't say... > > Hey, this is the fir

Re: re SHUTDOWN ABORT -- was RE: Debate on rc commands Solaris and

2003-02-02 Thread Jeremiah Wilton
Alter system checkpoint... You don't say... Hey, this is the first time this thread has concluded without the usual "you guys better watch out b/c yer gonna break your database!" post. I'd say this universal support for ABORT over IMMEDIATE represents a dramatic change in the prevailing DBA attit

Re: re SHUTDOWN ABORT -- was RE: Debate on rc commands Solaris and

2003-02-01 Thread Connor McDonald
Agreed. All that matters is the redo logs. If Oracle had named the shutdown options more accurately, that is shutdown abort => shutdown fast shutdown immediate => shutdown hopefully shutdown transactional => shutdown when hell freezes over shutdown normal => shutdown never then I'm pretty sure I