RE: why SAN ? why not external storage ?

2003-03-21 Thread Niall Litchfield
Mogens wrote There are many things I don't get in this life. I doubt it very much... One of them is the statements about disk storage being an admin nightmare and way too expensive. Aren't disks very cheap these days?! Other than ignorance I see no way in which storage admin can be a

RE: why SAN ? why not external storage ?

2003-03-14 Thread Nelson, Allan
heard Net App is low cost including with Raid 5. -Arun. Sr oracle dba - Original Message - From: Rahul To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 9:38 PM Subject: Re: why SAN ? why not external storage ? my reasons to recommend an external

RE: why SAN ? why not external storage ?

2003-03-14 Thread Scott . Shafer
: Re: why SAN ? why not external storage ? There are many things I don't get in this life. One of them is the statements about disk storage being an admin nightmare and way too expensive. Aren't disks very cheap these days?! Mogens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rahul

RE: RE: why SAN ? why not external storage ?

2003-03-14 Thread Scott . Shafer
gotten real cheap, when will SCSI follow suit?? Dick Goulet Reply Separator Subject:RE: why SAN ? why not external storage ? Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 3/14/2003 10:03 AM Oh, Gods forbid the sysadmins would have to gulp do their job

Re: why SAN ? why not external storage ?

2003-03-13 Thread Arun Annamalai
: Rahul To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 9:38 PM Subject: Re: why SAN ? why not external storage ? my reasons to recommend an external storage was.. 1) the database size is 36GB, and according to many documents i have read, SAN i

Re: why SAN ? why not external storage ?

2003-03-13 Thread Mogens Nørgaard
Net App is low cost including with Raid 5. -Arun. Sr oracle dba - Original Message - From: Rahul To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 9:38 PM Subject: Re: why SAN ? why not external storage ? my reasons to recommend an external storage was.. 1

RE: why SAN ? why not external storage ?

2003-03-13 Thread Brian Dunbar
-Original Message- Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L There are many things I don't get in this life. One of them is the statements about disk storage being an admin nightmare and way too expensive. Aren't disks very cheap these days?!

RE: why SAN ? why not external storage ?

2003-03-13 Thread Deshpande, Kirti
recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 9:38 PM Subject: Re: why SAN ? why not external storage ? my reasons to recommend an external storage was.. 1) the database size is 36GB, and according to many documents i have read, SAN is not cost effevtive unless populated

Re: why SAN ? why not external storage ?

2003-03-12 Thread Tim Gorman
Can youshare some ofthereasons related to your decision in choosing a direct-attach storage(DAS) instead of a SAN? In general, a SAN is a much smarter choice than DAS. - Original Message - From: Rahul To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Wednesday,

RE: why SAN ? why not external storage ?

2003-03-12 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Tim - Can you elaborate on those reasons? Our administrators feel DAS is usually much cheaper, and they are not convinced the SAN performance is there. Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 7:34 AM

For Dick Goulet - - RE: why SAN ? why not external storage ?

2003-03-12 Thread Spears, Brian
Dick ... did you have problems with Netapps on your archivelogs or just the datafiles or both?? We are considering using it for alternative archivelog solution... Last place we were at we did have a few issue with datafiles but it got worked out and worked fine after that. Brian

RE: For Dick Goulet - - RE: why SAN ? why not external storage

2003-03-12 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Brian I'm not Dick, but will respond anyway. We use a Netapp for our test system and it works fine for that. My experience has been that it is quite dependent on your network configuration (dedicated 100baseT as minimum), and multiple simultaneous reads and writes seems to bog it down. I would

Re: why SAN ? why not external storage ?

2003-03-12 Thread Tim Gorman
Dick Goulet gave an excellent response to the list earlier -- I'd second him on each point he made. There is no doubt that DAS is cheaper on the original purchase, because you're only buying the disk. Obviously, a SAN has a few more bits of iron and wire. But have those administrators toted up

RE: why SAN ? why not external storage ?

2003-03-12 Thread Jesse, Rich
Bingo! One of the reasons my team lead wants a SAN in here is to limit the vast amounts of wasted storage (wasted storage = wasted $$$)we have on our individual disparate systems. That savings must be weighed against the downsides of a SAN, such as the possibility of I/O contention and the

For Dick Goulet - - RE: why SAN ? why not external storage ?

2003-03-12 Thread BSpears
Dick ... did you have problems with Netapps on your archivelogs or just the datafiles or both?? We are considering using it for alternative archivelog solution... Last place we were at we did have a few issue with datafiles but it got worked out and worked fine after that. Brian

RE: why SAN ? why not external storage ?

2003-03-12 Thread Rich . Jesse
Bingo! One of the reasons my team lead wants a SAN in here is to limit the vast amounts of wasted storage (wasted storage = wasted $$$)we have on our individual disparate systems. That savings must be weighed against the downsides of a SAN, such as the possibility of I/O contention and the

Re: why SAN ? why not external storage ?

2003-03-12 Thread Rahul
be an overkill ? 2) NO DBA or SYS ADMIN skills to manage the SAN !! - Original Message - From: Tim Gorman To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:33 PM Subject: Re: why SAN ? why not external storage ? Can youshare some