Jared, Just turned to my Network Guru who is chasing the Cisco cert. There are three tests at $100 each and then the 2 day practical which is $2,000.
Dick Goulet ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Author: Jared Still <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 6/18/2002 6:03 AM This new certification test sounds similar to what Cisco does, and Cisco certification is highly regarded among networking folks, as you must know what you're doing to obtain certification. As I recall, it takes a couple of days to get through it all. Anyone know what the Cisco tests cost? Jared On Tuesday 18 June 2002 06:18, Karniotis, Stephen wrote: > Hey folks. > > I just saw this thread this morning. What a crime. It seems that the > only way Oracle can generate sufficient streams of revenue is to punish > those that popularize their software for the market. As an Oracle DBA and > IT Manager, I will not pay for any of my staff to obtain a certification > that requires such a ridiculous configuration. It just shows that Oracle > is trying to generate as much revenue as possible. Given the state of > today's economy, I don't think Oracle should be alienating their > customer/PR base. > > As far as the tax issue: If training is not provided by your employer, > and is required for your job, it can be deducted as business expense on > form 2106. For education, the feds allow for educational expenses and some > states also allow for it. > > Thank You > > Stephen P. Karniotis > Product Architect > Compuware Corporation > Direct: (248) 865-4350 > Mobile: (248) 408-2918 > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Web: www.compuware.com > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 5:34 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes... > > I know, I have that experience myself. What is the point > in putting in the training, then? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 5:22 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: Re:RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes... > > > > > > In the US one can put training on their income tax forms, but > > the IRS will > > disallow it. > > > > Dick Goulet > > One of the disallowed! > > > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > > Author: "Boivin; Patrice J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: 6/17/2002 12:05 PM > > > > I think this change will up the ante for corporations that do > > not send their > > staff to official training courses or expect that staff will > > keep up to date > > in their certifications on their own time and money, a $50 > > book out of one's > > own pocket doesn't compare with a $2000 course. > > > > Employees in Canada can't deduct training etc. before income > > taxes, only > > consultants can. I don't know if that's the case in the U.S. > > or the UK as > > well. > > > > Maybe more people will become consultants, but then again > > there is a bit of > > a crunch in the IT job sector right now. > > > > > > Regards, > > Patrice Boivin > > Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 4:44 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > Soon we will be required as a part of the hiring process to > > make a visit to > > Oracle for certification, medical check, and brain wash! > > > > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > > author and do not necessarily represent those of the company > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:18 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > I couldn't believe that, Ron, so I had to check it out myself. You're > > right: > > > > > > > > http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9i > > _ocmpract.html > > <http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9 > > i_ocmpract.htm > > l> > > > > > > > > Oracle Certified Master DBA Practicum Exam > > > > An OCM candidate must successfully pass the Oracle Certified > > Master DBA > > practicum after having completed the required OU advanced learning > > requirements. The practicum will be conducted at an Oracle University > > facility in each global region. The location for Americas is > > Chicago, IL. > > The cost for the practicum is $2000.00 US Dollars. Locations > > for EMEA and > > APAC have not yet been determined. > > > > > > > > The practicum is a two-day, hands-on performance based event where > > candidates will be presented with numerous scenarios that > > will require them > > to diagnose and solve highly technical Oracle server related > > problems. Each > > candidate will have their own dedicated LINUX server that is > > configured with > > the Oracle server software, Oracle Enterprise Manager, and the Oracle > > documentation set. > > > > > > > > Topics on the practicum include core database technology, database > > configuration, replication, partitioning, parallel > > operations, diagnostics, > > troubleshooting, performance tuning, and backup and recovery. > > Candidates may > > also encounter ad hoc database problems that they will have > > to resolve, > > therefore simulating "real-world" database operations. Oracle > > tools such as > > Oracle Enterprise Manager, Data Guard, Flashback, Recovery > > Manager, and > > Oracle documentation will be available to candidates during > > the practicum. > > > > > > > > Candidates will be scored on their ability to successfully > > complete the > > scenarios and if they obtain a passing score they will be > > awarded the OCM > > certification. Based upon a candidate's performance during > > the practicum, > > they may not be awarded the OCM certification if they do not > > achieve the > > preset passing score. > > > > > > > > I think that the price tag is a way too high to start with, > > but the thing > > that really blew me away is that the test is on Linux only??? > > It's hard for > > me to believe that they won't let you take it on your > > platform of choice, > > especially for the hard-core-Windows guys out there. > > > > > > > > And I have to use Enterprise Manager? Give me a break - and > > a SQL> prompt. > > > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------- > > > > | Brian McGraw /* DBA */ Infinity Insurance | > > | > > | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | > > > > ---------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Rogers > > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:34 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you check out the prices for the OCM? Two classes plus $2,000 for > > > > the exam the last time I looked into it. Can I take an upgrade exam to > > > > upgrade my OCM-7? > > > > Ron > > > > ROR mo?om > > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/17/02 02:14PM >>> > > > > Speaking of OCP...I got this from the OCP newsletter...I guess Oracle > > > > needs > > > > more revenue streams... > > > > > > > > Dear Oracle Certified Professional, > > > > Please acknowledge this correspondance as an official notification in > > > > regards to your pursuit of Oracle Certification. > > > > > > > > The Oracle Certification credential continues to provide leverage to > > > > those > > > > who have earned it, leading to increased demand for Oracle Certified > > > > Professionals among hiring managers. To help meet this demand and > > > > increase > > > > the value of the credential, Oracle is investing heavily in the > > > > betterment > > > > of certification exams and learning offerings. Oracle customers and > > > > business > > > > partners demand that their Oracle Certified Professionals have > > > > hands-on > > > > experience with all aspects of the Oracle database. To meet our > > > > commitment > > > > to customers and constituents, three distinct changes are being rolled > > > > out > > > > with the goal of increasing the level of quality of our certification > > > > skill > > > > and ability benchmarks: > > > > > > > > Scenario-based testing in all new Oracle Certified Professional track > > > > exams > > > > (as of January, 2002) > > > > Instructor-led class requirement for all Oracle9i DBA Certified > > > > Professionals (as of June 15, 2002) > > > > A new hands-on Masters Practicum (available October, 2002) > > > > The OCP Oracle9i DBA track requires four tests: two required tests for > > > > OCA > > > > certification plus two additional tests. Oracle now also requires (as > > > > of > > > > June 15, 2002) that all newly starting OCP credential candidates > > > > complete > > > > one hands-on course with Oracle University in preparation for their > > > > exams > > > > and future role as an Oracle technologist. > > > > > > > > Because you are already an Oracle Certified Professional, you are not > > > > required to complete any course requirements to upgrade your > > credential > > > > to > > > > Oracle9i status. You will simply be required to take the appropriate > > > > OCP DBA > > > > upgrade exam(s). > > > > > > > > The Masters Practicum exam will be launched during October 2002 at > > > > regional > > > > centers around the globe. This credential will prove to the > > market that > > > > each > > > > Oracle Certified Master has demonstrated the ability to be successful > > > > on the > > > > job. To learn more about this credential, view our website's section > > > > specific to the OCM program. The program requires that > > candidates first > > > > earn > > > > their OCP for Oracle9i, and then complete two advanced courses from > > > > Oracle > > > > University. The website includes a list of courses that can be applied > > > > to > > > > meet the requirement. After fulfilling the course requirement, > > > > candidates > > > > can schedule an appointment for their practicum exam. The exam is a > > > > two-day > > > > event at a regional Oracle University center involving hands-on, > > > > job-performance-based testing using Oracle9i Database technologies. > > > > > > > > For more information, visit www.oracle.com/education/certification, or > > > > phone > > > > your local Oracle University representative. 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