Re: Rman and database shutdowns UPDATE

2003-02-12 Thread Ron Rogers
Just got out of a meeting with the systems group. The Incremental backup was not working because the command was written wrong. There has been a decision to do cold backups each night. The system people swear that the OpenVms can successfully backup an open file (datafile) and have it recovered

RE: Rman and database shutdowns UPDATE

2003-02-12 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
Ron, While Vms *can* backup the open datafile, it is worthless when you need to recover it. I know, I've been there. Worked on Open Vms for about 8 years, including Oracle for 3 years. The file would need recovery immediately upon an attempt to open it. And I would not bet my job that I could

RE: Rman and database shutdowns UPDATE

2003-02-12 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Ron - Yes they can back it up and recover it from their perspective. You've brightened my day. Let us know if you want some more explanations to discuss this with them again. ;-) Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, February

RE: Rman and database shutdowns UPDATE

2003-02-12 Thread STEVE OLLIG
Ron - the text below is from the fine VMS manual. I suspect your SAs are referring to the backup/ignore=interlock command. I certainly would not rely on it as part of my Oracle Disaster Recovery plan. The cold backup decision sounds to me like a wise one. BACKUP Invokes the Backup

RE: Rman and database shutdowns UPDATE

2003-02-12 Thread Freeman Robert - IL
I'd tell them, great, then lets test it. Trust no one. Robert -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 2/12/2003 10:23 AM Just got out of a meeting with the systems group. The Incremental backup was not working because the command was written wrong. There has

Re: Rman and database shutdowns UPDATE

2003-02-12 Thread Jay Hostetter
Ron, Back when we had Oracle on VMS (Oracle 7.1 - pre RMAN), we used this backup command for each datafile: backup/log/ignore=(interlock,nobackup)/new This will backup open files. But if your tablespace isn't in hot backup mode, it doesn't help you for database recovery. You might get

RE: Rman and database shutdowns UPDATE

2003-02-12 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Ron - Thought of a simple way to explain the situation to your VMS administrators. I've simplified a few things, but it should suffice. If I've missed anything critical, someone will correct me ;-) Each Oracle datafile has a transaction number recorded. The Oracle control file has a transaction

RE: Rman and database shutdowns UPDATE

2003-02-12 Thread Koivu, Lisa
Ron, the analogy I always use is who has to recover the database when it crashes? When they say, well, YOU, then I say Fine. We are going to back it up the way I see fit. End of story. Have fun testing~!! Good Luck. Lisa Koivu Oracle Database Administrator Fairfield Resorts, Inc. 5259