Title: RE: So, What is a 'Production DBA'?
Guys,
In my experience there are so many issues that come up in design that eventually affect the quality of life for a production dba that I have real concerns splitting the role. In my world as much as possible I do both starting with design I
Peter Barnett wrote:
We are having this debate. What is a 'Production
DBA'? Right now all of the DBAs do some of
everything. In an effort to focus more DBA time on
infrastructure, damagement is floating the idea of
Production and Applications DBAs. The DBA group has
loosely
Prod. DBA tends to be more responsible.
App. DBA tends to be more creative.
But could be both 8=) and the best are.
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For what it's worth I'll add my .02 cents worth to this. I've been
in IT now for 14 years, started with Informix for my first 3 or 4 years,
the rest with Oracle. I've seen my share of duhvelopers but get the
best giggles from the fights that happen between DBA's and System
Admins. You know
Wow Joe, how very like-minded we are.
I'm not in the least swayed in this opinion by my programmer/system
administrator/oracle DBA career path.
3 years PL/1,DL/1 and Assembler programming for those of you with good
memories.
3 years mainframe system admin (VSE? VM?). Actually still programming
see, this is why I always bribe my SAs. chocolate seems to work well,
beers after work as necessary :)
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For what it's worth I'll add my .02 cents worth to this. I've been
in IT now for 14 years, started with Informix for my first 3 or 4
years,
the
Amen to that. Keep on the good side of the sys admins!
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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Subject: Re: So, What is a 'Production DBA'?
Prod. DBA tends to be more responsible.
App. DBA tends to be more creative.
But could be both 8=) and the best are.
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Subject: Re: So, What is a 'Production DBA'?
Prod. DBA tends to be more responsible.
App. DBA tends to be more creative.
But could be both 8=) and the best
Rachel,
I agree with your short list of the areas of responsibilities but I
would change the word application to development. An application
DBA, from the people I have talked to, is quite busy performing the
upgrades and patches that accompany the Oracle Applications. The
applications database
Now see... as one new to the world of Apps DBA, I looked at her list, and
realized that it was the other kind of applications... not Oracle
Applications although from my experience network support, client
support, whipping post,
IT team member (possibly team leader), self driven, office
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Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 04:48:29 -0800
Rachel,
I agree with your short list of the areas of responsibilities but I
would change
ron,
I've usually seen the term Apps DBA for the DBA who deals with Oracle
Applications.
As for using development dba vs application dba I was using the
terminology of the original poster.
My feeling is, separating these functions just adds to overhead and
disconnect in solving problems...
Thanks to all who responded. The debate on the list
is just as lively as the one around the water cooler.
I did like the response about a 50% pay differential
for production DBAs. That will make the bosses hair
stand on end!
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We are having this
developers. Most of the
DBA's we
deal with have come up through the ranks and started as developers.
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Rachel,
I agree with your short list of the areas of responsibilities but I
would change the word application to development
as developers.
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Rachel,
I agree with your short list of the areas of responsibilities but I
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I'd take that pay differential thing with a grain of salt.
The definitions for Production DBA's, Apps, DBA's, and Development DBA's are
merely organizational interpretations. Each organization custom creates
these titles so PHB's can put labels on people.
In many cases a production DBA is
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Rachel,
I agree with your short list of the areas of responsibilities but I
would change the word
So true! Its different in each organization. Titles change but jobs do not :).
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I'd take that pay differential thing with a grain of salt.
The definitions for Production DBA's, Apps, DBA's, and Development DBA's are
merely organizational interpretations.
A Harvey Wall Banger? I've never heard of that type of hammer before :)
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I guess it's that old Russian proverb To a hammer, all the world looks
like a nail. Developers have experience as
I know I'm probably going to regret replying to this thread. I'm one of those
people who spent years as a programmer...and wound up somewhere in between
applications and tech support because I couldn't get the tech support I needed.
When we got SAP'd in '93, I finally gave in to becoming a
There is a definite need for people with detailed knowledge of mission
critical apps and it's optimal when DBA's and System Admins are wired in!
the role I play doesn't seem to have any technical boundaries
Boundaries are things that aggressive DBA's want to break through. They
intrusively
that there is that quantity of bad developers. Most of the DBA's we
deal with have come up through the ranks and started as developers.
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Rachel,
I agree with your short list of the areas of responsibilities but I
would change the word application to development. An application
DBA, from the people I have talked to, is quite busy performing
We are having this debate. What is a 'Production
DBA'? Right now all of the DBAs do some of
everything. In an effort to focus more DBA time on
infrastructure, damagement is floating the idea of
Production and Applications DBAs. The DBA group has
loosely translated this into the group that is
To me production and application DBA's are one and the same. They support
those applications that are currently in production.
My $0.02 worth,
Ken Janusz, CPIM
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Title: RE: So, What is a 'Production DBA'?
Pete,
In that case, Production DBAs are the people getting paid 1.5 times as much as Applications DBAs.
Jerry Whittle
ACIFICS DBA
NCI Information Systems Inc.
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From: Peter
that's not a bad definition :)
seriously, everyone will have their own definition, mine is:
production dba -- responsible for all databases that are considered
production. this includes but is not limited to:
backups
recovery testing
contingency testing
production performance tuning (should
I had always thought that you could draw a line:
All activities Before Implementation are the pervue of the Development
DBA. (Including all the database design, development, layout, etc. work)
All activities After Implementation are the pervue of the Production DBA.
(Including all the day to
Production DBA
1. Take care of Production Databases
2. Fend Of user and developer questions with certain expertise so as to
minimize additional work.
3. Expertly browse Metaslink (or any other site, just call it a beta
interface to New Metalink).
4. Perform task #1 for all databases in the
Rachel,
So we could distill your definitions down to:
Production DBA: deals with real issues
Application DBA: babysits developers
:-)
R that's not a bad definition :)
R seriously, everyone will have their own definition, mine is:
R production dba -- responsible for all databases that
A company here in Portland separates their DBA staff into Production Support and
Application DBA groups.
The production DBAs are concerned with infrastructure, hardware, backups, database
upgrades and everything else that is (more or less) independent of the software
application.
The
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well application dba tunes sql as well and makes sure that the ddl
operations the developers want don't send the production dba on a
rampage
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Rachel,
So we could distill your definitions down to:
Production DBA: deals with real issues
Since WHEN!!???
Dick Goulet
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Author: Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 5/29/2002 1:41 PM
well application dba tunes sql as well and makes sure that the ddl
operations the developers want don't send the production dba on a
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: So, What is a 'Production DBA'?
We are having this debate. What is a 'Production
DBA'? Right now all of the DBAs do some of
everything. In an effort to focus more DBA time on
infrastructure, damagement is floating the idea of
Production
since I tend to be the production dba and I usually know where the
bodies are buried EG
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Since WHEN!!???
Dick Goulet
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Author: Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 5/29/2002 1:41 PM
well
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