RE: OT: RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...

2001-05-30 Thread Tim Sawmiller
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OT RE: Mean/Median

2001-05-16 Thread Tim Sawmiller

better than being a pile of pig fundament...


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ROFL!

I am an idiot

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||  geez louise, 
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||  Median := avg(Max,Min)
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||  ||  Any scripts (sql or pl/sql) out there to compute various 
||  || statistical things
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||  || 
||  || Would depend on just what you are looking for. A quick look at
||  || Oracle's SQL functions showed avg, st. deviation, and variance
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RE: Mean/Median - Another method

2001-05-16 Thread Tim Sawmiller

median; adjective:
(statistics) relating to or constituting the middle value of an ordered set of values 
(or the average of the middle two in an even-numbered set)

This is the definition of median.  It's not a calculated value, it's more of a 
derived value.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/01 07:38PM 
Another way to compute median is here:
1. You should know that there is a linear relationship between Mean, Median 
and Mode. Find that relationship.
2. Find the mean of the data. Its nothing but the average.
3. Next you have find the mode. Mode  is nothing but the most frequent 
data. suppose, sal is the column for which you want to find the median, 
then proceed like this -
select sal, count(*) Number_of_people
from emp
group by sal
order by 2 Desc;

Now the first record returned by the above query represents the mode. 
Caputure the sal from this first record and call it as mode.
4. Now, Using the relationship u determined in step 1, calculate the median 
values by substituting the mode and mean values.

PS: I know this is going to work is salary is an interger field. But I 
doubt it if its a real number.

Listers,letme know if I am wrong. Also, I did not watch earlier mails on 
this topic,. so, pardon me if its a repeat.

Rajaram.


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HELP

 Are you stupid?


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Re: unable to create spatial index via dynamic_sql

2001-05-15 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Is the user executing the procedure the same user who owns the table for which the 
index is intended?  



 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/01 01:45AM 
hi list, 
I am able to create index from Sqlplus as...
create index i_sptl_test on ADDRESSED_PROPERTY_(polygon_geometry) indextype
is 
mdsys.spatial_index;
Thisstatement works fine and I ma able to create index.
But the same statement when executing through package - procedure
p_crt_sptl_index ( it fails
listed error messages. Of course by using Dynamic Sql.
DDL Statement: create index i_sptl_test on
ADDRESSED_PROPERTY_(polygon_geometry)
DDL Statement: indextype is mdsys.spatial_index
DDL Statement:
** Fatal Exception p_crt_sptl_index**
ORA-29855: error occurred in the execution of ODCIINDEXCREATEroutine
ORA-13231: failed to create
index table [Create index table failed forI_SPTL_TEST_rt$] during R-tree 
creation
ORA-29400: data cartridge error
ORA-01031: insufficient privileges
ORA-010
** Fatal Exception incrt_metadata_entries **
*** p_crt_sptl_indexes: creation of SpatialIndex on 
ADDRESSED_PROPERTY_.polygon_geometry
via p_crt_sptl_index failed ***

Anybody got ideas why 
this is Oracle Saptial database 8.1.7 on sunsparc solaris 7.

 narender.akula
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RE: Export question.

2001-05-15 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Ok, I'll pretend I'm from Missouri (the Show Me State).  What's the database block 
size?  What's the average row size?  How many rows?  What are the pctused and pctfree 
values?  Are you using any weird data types (like LONG, RAW, that kind of stuff).  Are 
you sure you are only exporting the one table?  Show us everything please, as I sip my 
morning coffee...

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/01 05:31AM 
Well back down to earth with a bang again, back to work and the weather is
miserable. I didn't see any replies to this last mail so I will repost. Any
help or insight would be greatly appreciated.

Regards

Lee


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OK,

To answer a couple of questions, I did use compute statistics to get the
stats. I did not use compress=y. The table should have been 420Mb according
to the avg_row_len*num_rows calculation. The export file came out at 5.7Gb.
When I imported it fell over at 1Gb. I set my initial extent to what I
calculated it at earlier and next extent to 4Mb and tablespace (1Gb) filled
up.

I'm still confused as to how this happened. 

Never mind its the weekend, out to a top class restaurant tonight, its the
English FA Cup Final on Saturday (lots of beer) and the weather is
glorious..

Oracle ? Oracle Who 

Regards

Lee


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When you export it do not! use compress=Y.

When you import the table be sure to prebuild the table with the initial and
next extent sizes to be appropriate for this table.

This will reorg it unstead of putting it back the way it was.

Ruth

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 All,

 I have recently ran an analysis on a table and when calculating the table
 size using num_rows*avg_row_len this came out at about 420Mb. Nothing
 strange about that, however the amount of space this table is taking up is
 about 4.6Gb !

 Instant case for a reorg I thought, however, I am currently exporting this
 table and suddenly noticed that the dump file is now in excess of 1.5Gb
and
 still going strong.

 Does export merely backup the data or does it also backup other stuff
 (unused blocks, preallocated etc.)

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RE: Export question.

2001-05-15 Thread Tim Sawmiller

No kidding...it's got to be at least 38.  38 * 57351031 = 2.03 gigabytes, and I'm sure 
it's bigger than that...

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/01 10:25AM 
OK here goes and thanks for the response

Definitely one table and from the top :-)

DB Block size = 8192
Avg. Row Size = 6
Num Rows = 57351031
Pct free = 0
Pct Used = 40
Table definition (column names removed) =

Type
 
NOT NULL NUMBER(9)
NOT NULL NUMBER(9)
NOT NULL NUMBER(9)
NOT NULL NUMBER(9)
NUMBER(9)
CHAR(2)
CHAR(3)
CHAR(4)
VARCHAR2(100)
VARCHAR2(60)
VARCHAR2(50)
VARCHAR2(60)
VARCHAR2(7)
NUMBER(6)
NUMBER(6)
NUMBER(9)
DATE
VARCHAR2(50)

A - ha I think the penny drops - how on earth could this be right - average
row length of 6 with a table definition like this. Is this the problem. The
average row length must be wrong, yet the table was definitely analyzed with
compute statistics.


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RE: DB Link Between Prod and Test?

2001-05-15 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Can he be trusted NOT to run some horrible query that would bring Prod to its knees?

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/01 03:00PM 
If all he needs is select he cannot corrupt the DB if the DBA does not grant
unnecessary privileges. Folks
use dblinks all the time.

Rick

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One of our development DBAs suggested today to build a private database
link between production and test database so that he can run some
queries against both at the same time. I am a little concerned because he
might make a mistake and accidentally corrupt the prod database. Anybody
out there who is doing the same thing? Are there any other potential
ramifications?
TIA
Dennis Meng
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RE: Mean/Median

2001-05-15 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Well, no, it doesn't work at all.  The definition of Median is a value where half your 
list of values is above, and half is below.  If the values all tend toward the mininum 
or the maximum, this equation would be way out of line.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/01 01:35PM 
Oops, this only works for *even* numbers of samplesgeez

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|| geez louise, 
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|| Median := avg(Max,Min)
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|| ||  Any scripts (sql or pl/sql) out there to compute various 
|| || statistical things
|| ||  in Oracle?
|| ||  
|| || 
|| || Would depend on just what you are looking for. A quick look at
|| || Oracle's SQL functions showed avg, st. deviation, and variance
|| || although no median but that should be easier to write than 
|| || some of the
|| || others.
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Re: Oracle error -20001

2001-05-14 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Unless things have changed, 2 thru 20999 are user specified error numbers, not 
generated by Oracle.



 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/11/01 01:20PM 
Has anyone any idea what this means?

It is coming up when trying to use a procedure in a PL/SQL package to
display a web page. With some negative errors we are able to remove
them by reloading all for the application in the OAS manager but not
this one.

Searching MetaLink I come up with suggestions to patch Applications
11i or upgrade Developer 6 - neither of which are in use here. I also
came up with cause not determined.

Environment: Sun OS 5.7
 Oracle8i Enterprise Edition release 8.1.6.0.0
 OAS 4.0 - we are using a secure server

Both the package and package body are valid.

Any help in unraveling this would be greaterly appreciated.


  Pat
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Re: sys.IDL_UB1$

2001-05-14 Thread Tim Sawmiller

I believe that table holds the PL/SQL source code.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/01 03:30PM 
Does anyone know what the SYS.IDL_UB1$ table is?

It suddenly grew to app. 100Meg in my Development database.  I tried
searching on it on Ixora on Friday but as soon as I did my computer crashed.
Now that I'm back up I decided it might be safer to post here :).

Thanks in advance,
Jay Miller
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Re: Question of the day

2001-05-10 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Surely you meant idyllic symbol?  :-)  
BTW, the buildings are really giant disk drives...

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/09/01 05:06PM 
SATIRE, SARCASMS ON  (just got our 2002 price quote)
Does any person know of a statue / figure/ object that stands outside the Oracle 
Corporate Headquarters that stands as their idolic symbol? All I have found is the 
registered trademark ORACLE. I guess the cylindrical tower buildings are a gothic 
resemblance in themselves.
SATIRE, SARCASMS OFF

ROR mô¿ôm


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Re: tkprof and security?

2001-05-09 Thread Tim Sawmiller
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Re: consistency in cost?

2001-05-09 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Interesting...CHOOSE means Oracle will decide whether to use RULE or COST.  But a 
CHOOSE hint will force use of COST.  Kind of diminishes the meaning of CHOOSE, doesn't 
it?  Seems like a pointless hint...

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/08/01 11:45PM 
If the system is Rule based and you code Hints, the CBO will be
automatically invoked
Sam


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 Forgive my ignorance but I thought hints were only for cost based
optimizer.


 Have you checked in case anybody has changed any parameters while the
system
 is running as I know that changing the hash_area_size can change the
 execution plan?.  Are you using parallelism as if a table had to be
 recreated for any reason and its degree changed it might do a FTS?

 Cheers

 Iain Nicoll


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 Jared,
 The only difference is about a weeks worth of extra data. Well, the
hardware
 is also different (Ultra450 vs. Ultra 5000. Also 1 vs 4 CPU). But
 regardless, shouldn't init.ora optimizer_mode=choose be identical to
 optimizer_mode=rule with hint=choose? If I have the time, I'll try to set
up
 a couple of systems and examine by moving stats and taking some 10053
dumps.
 (one of the ones giving me a problem is in production so I have limited
play
 time there).

 Henry

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 Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 12:56 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Henry Poras



 Henry,

 You say 'nearly identical'.

 What are the differences?

 Are the 2 databases on the same platform?

 If not, what are the differences, hardware and OS?

 Jared


 On Monday 07 May 2001 21:55, Henry Poras wrote:
  I am working with an 8.1.6 database on Solaris 2.6 and I am wondering if
  there is any consistency in the optimizer. We have two nearly identical
  databases (one a clone from two weeks ago). A five table join has nearly
  the identical execution plan on the two databases. The difference is in
 the
  access method of the fourth table in the join; in one case it is
accessed
  by a FTS and in the other, by Index. This difference has a large effect
on
  performance. Statistics are nearly identical for this table in both
  databases (I looked at dba_tables, dba_indexes, dba_col_tables). Also,
the
  init.ora is the same. When I changed the optimizer_mode to rule and
added
 a
  'choose' hint to the query, the execution plan was different again. I
will
  look into this a bit further and post my results. Just wondering about
  other's experiences. Thanks.
 
  Henry
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RE: join across database link

2001-05-09 Thread Tim Sawmiller

This wouldn't be the one and only Bambi Bellows, would it?

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/09/01 01:42PM 
Ooh!  Ooh!  I did that once!  What fun!  I had two windows up... both logged in as 
system.  And when I described across the link, it shut down the window I was working 
in and displayed the error in the other one.  And it was reproducible!  Ah, the fun 
stuff Oracle puts in for the adventuresome!  Although, nothing really beats Digital 
and their help on Wombats.

Bambi.
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 Actually there is a similar bug in 8.1.7.  Basically, don't describe
 across db links.
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 6:41 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 
 Let's do the ez one first.
 
 On Tuesday 08 May 2001 11:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  When I do a describe across the link I get ORA-12663-Services required by
  the client not available on the server.
 
 This is a bug, don't worry about it.  The only fix is to upgrade your
 database from 7.3 to 8.something.   It only affects the 'describe' command.
 
 
  When I connect to the  NT and run the query by hand it also hangs.  But I
  can join the NT table to each of the AIX tables and get instant results -
 I
  just cannot join all three.
 
 Turn tracing on for the session and check out the trace file.  In all 
 likelihood the session is not actually hung, just running very slowly.
 
 You can also monitor v$sess_io to see what activity is taking place
 for the session.
 
 Check out the explain plan.  Do you have a copy of the explain plan
 from when it worked?  Of course you don't, neither does anyone else.
 
 If you did, you could compare them.  As it is, take a look at it, as it
 may be rather revealing.
 
 Jared
 
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RE: Cool way to crash an Oracle database, any time, any place

2001-05-09 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Not as pissed off as the time he trusted me with the root password, and I absent 
mindedly ran this command from the root partition:

chown me *

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/09/01 03:16PM 
On Wed, 9 May 2001,Mohan, Ross scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:

-make exponentially growing files and processes

And make your SA REALLY pissed off.;-)

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Re: ORA-06573 ???

2001-05-08 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Do what the action says...add the pragma.  Consult your fine manual (or at least it's 
electronic equivalent on CD) for more details.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/08/01 10:25AM 
Tim Sawmiller schrieb:
 
 oerr ora 6573
 06573, 0, Function %s modifies package state, cannot be used here
 // *Cause:  There are two possible causes for this message:
 //  * A SQL statement references a packaged, PL/SQL function that
 //does not contain a pragma containing the 'Write no Package
 //State' (WNPS).
 //  * A SQL statement references a stand-alone, PL/SQL function
 //that modifies a package state. A stand-alone, PL/SQL function
 //referenced by a SQL statement cannot modify a package state.
 // *Action: If the function is a packaged, PL/SQL function: Recreate
 //  the function and include a pragma containing the 'Write no
 //  Package State' (WNPS).
 //  If the function is a stand-alone, PL/SQL function: Delete
 //  the function from the SQL statement.
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/08/01 07:15AM 
 Hi,
 
 I get this error if I give a (standalone) function in a where clause:
 
 ORA-06573: Function WSNADDR modifies package state, cannot be used here
 
 What exactly does it mean and how can I workaround it ? The statement I
 tried to issue looks like this:
 
 select rtrim(substr(wsnaddr(env_wsnaddr),45,3)) IP, db_instance_node
 MACHINE
   from environment e, dbinstancenode dn
  where
 rtrim(substr(wsnaddr(env_wsnaddr),45,3))=rtrim(substr(db_inst_node_desc,11,3));
* - here's the problem.
 
 WSNADDR is a self-defined function that looks like this:
 
 CREATE OR REPLACE FUNCTION WSNADDR (v_WSNAddress IN VARCHAR2) RETURN
 VARCHAR2 IS
 v_Port  VARCHAR2(8);
 v_IPAddrVARCHAR2(8);
 v_IPDecode  VARCHAR2(16);
 v_IPPartVARCHAR2(3);
 v_DecodeWSN VARCHAR2(60);
 
 BEGIN
   DBMS_OUTPUT.ENABLE(64000);
   v_Port := SUBSTR(v_WSNAddress,3,8);
   v_IPAddr := SUBSTR(v_WSNAddress,11,8);
   v_IPDecode := '';
   FOR v_Index IN 0 .. 3 LOOP
 v_IPPart := TO_CHAR(HEXTONUMBER(SUBSTR(v_IPAddr,2*v_Index+1,2)));
 IF (v_Index  3) THEN
   v_IPDecode := v_IPDecode || v_IPPart || '.';
 ELSE
   v_IPDecode := v_IPDecode || v_IPPart;
 END IF;
   END LOOP;
   v_DecodeWSN := 'Port: ' || v_Port || ' 0xIP: ' || v_IPAddr || ' IP: '
 || v_IPDecode;
   RETURN v_DecodeWSN;
 END WSNADDR;
 /
 
 The above used function HEXTONUMBER just converts a hex into a number
 (what a surprise ;).
 The purpose of this function is to turn Tuxedo WSN addresses into a
 readable format. WSN addresses look like this:
 
 0x000285ca8b07ca49
 
 They contain the IP and the port where the service runs. The function's
 output looks like this:
 
 Port: 000285ca 0xIP: 8b07ca49 IP: 139.7.202.73
 
 Any ideas ?
 
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Hi,

I already read the documentation ;). I just don't really get what the
problem is and why it is caused.
Any hints ?

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Re: Taking your time when a crisis occurs

2001-05-07 Thread Tim Sawmiller
 copies of the
 redo logs
 locally
so you don't have to restore them from tape.

Jared

On Wednesday 02 May 2001 07:24, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 Jonathan,

 It would appear that your friend has hit
 upon one of
 the problems of
 hot backups that everyone misses and actually
 Oracle
 recommends against.
 That is backing up your online redo log files
 and doing
 that LAST.  The
 reason is that there are more than likely
 active
 transactions that were
 recorded therein and those logs are not
 available.  Can
 he complete the
 recovery, maybe if he has the remaining logs
 from the
 active system, I'm
 assuming he is recovering to somewhere other
 than his
 production system.
 Otherwise his only recourse is OTS.

 Dick Goulet
 Oracle Certified 8i DBA

 Reply
 Separator
 Author: Jonathan Gennick
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date:   5/1/2001 8:55 PM

 Fellow list members, I received the following
 email from
 a
 reader a few minutes ago. If you skip down to
 where he
 talks
 about backup, you'll see that he's in trouble
 with a
 database that won't recover. I've already
 suggested that
 he
 open a TAR, and that he supply more specifics
 as to
 error
 messages and the like, but maybe someone on
 this list
 can
 draw some conclusions from what he's told me
 so far. If
 you're good at recovery, have a look at what
 he says.
 I'll
 post his email address later if he says its
 ok, 
=== message truncated ===


=
Stéphane Paquette
DBA Oracle, consultant entrepôt de données
Oracle DBA, datawarehouse consultant
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RE: Taking your time when a crisis occurs

2001-05-07 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Work smarter not harderis that anything like, Know the difference between doing 
things right and doing the right thing?

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/07/01 01:51PM 
PHB comes from Dilbert: Pointy Haired Boss.  Those managers who wander 
around in a clueless state of perceived self-importance offering 
wonderful platitudes like Work smarter not harder and such.  Generally 
they wind up being the chickens discussed in a related response.
Rodd
Original Message dated 5/7/01, 11:50:27 AM
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Re: RE: Taking your time when a crisis occurs:
Yes, Rodd, you are right.  There are times when being blunt is warranted. 
 I do it now - I couldn't a few months ago.  At my last employer I was 
very very good at it and my boss let us do our jobs without interference.
However, the real question is, what's PHB? 
:P 

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Re: Getting ORA-01732 trying to insert into table (NOT view)

2001-05-04 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Are you sure the public synonym isn't pointing to an object in some other database 
thru a link?

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/03/01 04:55PM 
Why do I keep getting this error even though this object is not a view??? I am in as 
the owner of the table, which has the DBA role to boot.

SQL show user 
USER is FARS_OWNER 
SQL select owner, object_name, object_type from dba_objects where object_name like 
'%ALIASTYPE%'; 

OWNER OBJECT_NAME OBJECT_TYPE 
--- -- -- 
PUBLIC MFGALIASTYPE SYNONYM 
FARS_OWNER MFGALIASTYPE TABLE 
FARS_OWNER MFGALIASTYPE_VALUE_PK INDEX 

SQL select * from MFGALIASTYPE; 

VA I ATTRIBUTE PROMPTNAME SORTORDER 
-- - -- --- - 
T F SN Temic Accelerometer SN 30 
T SN Actual Serial Number 10 
A F SN Accelerometer SN 40 
C F SN Customer SN 20 
D F SN Daughter Board SN 60 
S F SN Sensor SN 50 

6 rows selected. 

SQL insert into MFGALIASTYPE values ('X', 'F', 'SN', 'Test', 80); 
insert into MFGALIASTYPE values ('X', 'F', 'SN', 'Test', 80) 
* 
ERROR at line 1: 
ORA-01732: data manipulation operation not legal on this view 

BTW, the synonym is for the table so other users can access it without adding the 
owner's name. I had already tried insert into FARS_OWNER.MFGALIASTYPE ... as well, 
but didn't include that here. 

Here's the table definition: 
CREATE TABLE FARS_OWNER.MFGALIASTYPE (VALUE VARCHAR2(2), 
ISDEFAULT VARCHAR2(1), ATTRIBUTE VARCHAR2(45), PROMPTNAME 
VARCHAR2(45) NOT NULL ENABLE, SORTORDER NUMBER(2, 0)) PCTFREE 10 
PCTUSED 40 INITRANS 1 MAXTRANS 255 LOGGING TABLESPACE TBL_TINY ; 

ALTER TABLE FARS_OWNER.MFGALIASTYPE ADD CONSTRAINT 
MFGALIASTYPE_VALUE_PK PRIMARY KEY (PROMPTNAME) USING INDEX 
PCTFREE 10 INITRANS 2 MAXTRANS 255 TABLESPACE USER_DATA ENABLE 
NOVALIDATE ; 

This is using 8.1.5 EE on NT 4 SP6a.

Michael Ray
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Re: Getting ORA-01732 trying to insert into table (NOT view)

2001-05-04 Thread Tim Sawmiller

..or that the public synonym is really pointing at the object you think it is?

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/03/01 04:55PM 
Why do I keep getting this error even though this object is not a view??? I am in as 
the owner of the table, which has the DBA role to boot.

SQL show user 
USER is FARS_OWNER 
SQL select owner, object_name, object_type from dba_objects where object_name like 
'%ALIASTYPE%'; 

OWNER OBJECT_NAME OBJECT_TYPE 
--- -- -- 
PUBLIC MFGALIASTYPE SYNONYM 
FARS_OWNER MFGALIASTYPE TABLE 
FARS_OWNER MFGALIASTYPE_VALUE_PK INDEX 

SQL select * from MFGALIASTYPE; 

VA I ATTRIBUTE PROMPTNAME SORTORDER 
-- - -- --- - 
T F SN Temic Accelerometer SN 30 
T SN Actual Serial Number 10 
A F SN Accelerometer SN 40 
C F SN Customer SN 20 
D F SN Daughter Board SN 60 
S F SN Sensor SN 50 

6 rows selected. 

SQL insert into MFGALIASTYPE values ('X', 'F', 'SN', 'Test', 80); 
insert into MFGALIASTYPE values ('X', 'F', 'SN', 'Test', 80) 
* 
ERROR at line 1: 
ORA-01732: data manipulation operation not legal on this view 

BTW, the synonym is for the table so other users can access it without adding the 
owner's name. I had already tried insert into FARS_OWNER.MFGALIASTYPE ... as well, 
but didn't include that here. 

Here's the table definition: 
CREATE TABLE FARS_OWNER.MFGALIASTYPE (VALUE VARCHAR2(2), 
ISDEFAULT VARCHAR2(1), ATTRIBUTE VARCHAR2(45), PROMPTNAME 
VARCHAR2(45) NOT NULL ENABLE, SORTORDER NUMBER(2, 0)) PCTFREE 10 
PCTUSED 40 INITRANS 1 MAXTRANS 255 LOGGING TABLESPACE TBL_TINY ; 

ALTER TABLE FARS_OWNER.MFGALIASTYPE ADD CONSTRAINT 
MFGALIASTYPE_VALUE_PK PRIMARY KEY (PROMPTNAME) USING INDEX 
PCTFREE 10 INITRANS 2 MAXTRANS 255 TABLESPACE USER_DATA ENABLE 
NOVALIDATE ; 

This is using 8.1.5 EE on NT 4 SP6a.

Michael Ray
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Re: Q: might be really old topic, but please take a look

2001-05-03 Thread Tim Sawmiller

In each case, it's good versus evil...



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Probably this has been posed million times, but I
really like to know.  We'll have a meeting about this
in our company, and I'd love to contribute someting.
Any idea on the following issue, any link, paper, etc,
will be greatly appreciated.

pros and cons of 

1. Oracle vs Sybase

2. Unix vs NT


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Re: V$session

2001-05-02 Thread Tim Sawmiller

The column named PROCESS.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/02/01 12:00PM 
Hi
Which column in v$session indicate os process?
Thanks
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Virus Found in Attachment (Subject: Uniquely Weird - duplicate

2001-05-02 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Lisa, your attachment had a virus in it.  My local server detected it.  Everyone, DO 
NOT OPEN THE ATTACHMENT in emails with the Subject: Uniquely Weird - duplicate rows.

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Re: Constraint dependencies

2001-05-02 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Basically you should drop the constraints of type 'R' first, then drop the constraints 
of type 'P' and 'U'.  See the CONSTRAINT_TYPE in the USER_CONSTRAINTS view.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/01/01 05:50PM 
Hi -

When dropping and/or re-applying constraints for an entire schema, is there
a dictionary table that can be queried (or some other way) to determine
constraint dependencies - or do you just keep running the script until you
do not get those errors?  I would like to be able to identify the order that
the constraints should be dropped (or added) so that I can write a script to
be automated ( for example, to refresh test data from production).

If anyone has any good ideas on how to do this, I'd really be interested in
hearing from you.

Thanks -
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Re: OT -- marketing (was Windows vs. UNIX)

2001-05-01 Thread Tim Sawmiller
 
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Re: Actual size of database

2001-05-01 Thread Tim Sawmiller

set echo off
set pagesize 60
@my_tabs
spool sp_used
rem Calculate Percent of Space Used in Each Table Space
rem
column tablespace_name format a20
column tablespace heading TSPACE_NAME
column megs_alloc format 999,999.99
column megs_free format 999,999.99
column pct_used format 999.99
column megs_used format 999,999.99
column free_extents format 999,999
column free_extents heading FREE_EXT
break on report
compute sum of megs_alloc on report
compute sum of megs_free on report
compute sum of megs_used on report
ttitle 'Space Used'
select a.tablespace_name, (a.bytes/1048576) megs_alloc,
(b.bytes/1048576) megs_free, 
((a.bytes - b.bytes)/1048576) megs_used,
(100 - ((b.bytes/a.bytes) * 100)) pct_used,
b.free_extents
from tjs_allocated_space a, tjs_free_space b
where a.tablespace_name = b.tablespace_name (+)
order by a.tablespace_name;
spool off
set pagesize 20
set feedback off
drop table tjs_dba_extents;
drop table tjs_free_space;
drop table tjs_allocated_space ;
set feedback on
ttitle off

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/01/01 02:11PM 
Hi All,

Oracle 8.0.5 NT 4
Does anyone have a script they would share that can calculate the ACTUAL
size of a database(space_used) not what has been allocated?

Thanks
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Re: ORA-24347 (null column in aggregate function) - SQL*Plus

2001-04-30 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Looks like you have user with no objects.  Try count(*) instead of count(object_name);



 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/30/01 02:25PM 
I'm a little stumped. I'm using SQL*Plus 8.1.6.0.0 client to connect to an
Oracle 8.0.5 database on a Windows NT server. I want to get the count of
objects for each user, with a 0 count for users without any objects. But
when i run the query, errors message ORA-24347 is returned. Why would that
be?
When I run the query directly on the server, using a SQL*Plus 8.0.5 client,
the query returns the expected data with no errors. Is there a bug in
Metalink for this? I didn't find anything, but maybe my searching skills
need some honing. Should I stick with older versions of the SQL*Plus client?

Results with 8.1.6 client to 8.0.5 database:
SQL select count (*) from dba_users where username is null ;

  COUNT(*)
--
 0

SQL select count (*) from dba_objects where owner is null ;

  COUNT(*)
--
 0

SQL select count (*) from dba_objects where object_name is null ;

  COUNT(*)
--
 0

SQL select a.username, count (object_name)
  2  from dba_users a, dba_objects b
  3  where a.username = b.owner (+)
  4  group by a.username ;
ERROR:
ORA-24347: Warning of a NULL column in an aggregate function

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Re: transaction recovery error

2001-04-30 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Not good news from my source:

POSSIBLE CORRUPTION

Versions: 7.3.x, 8.0.x, 8.1.x

Attempting to back out an undo record and cannot find a corresponding sys.ts$ entry 
generating this exception.  

Suggestion:

Attempt to rebuild the database, or restore from a valid backup and rollforward to a 
point in time prior to receiving the error.  For repeatable occurences, please submit 
the trace files and alert.log to Oracle Support.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/30/01 02:05PM 
My 8.1.7 DB on Solaris 2.7 is throwing trace files about every five minutes.
The alert log entries say:

SMON: Parallel transaction recovery slave got internal error
Mon Apr 30 12:17:32 2001
Errors in file /oracle/admin/ipdevla/bdump/ipdevla_smon_8665.trc:
ORA-00600: internal error code, arguments: [4142], [46137989], [], [], [],
[], [], []


And the trace file starts with:

KTUNDO: cannot find ts$ entry

The database is running fine, but I'd like to clear this.  Calling Oracle
Support is not an option at the moment (we're between support contracts).
I'd appreciate any ideas or suggestions.

Thanks!

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Re: ORA-07445: exception encountered: core dump [kxsdmp()+188]

2001-04-30 Thread Tim Sawmiller

This sounds like a heap (memory) error.  Check for system memory errors.



 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/30/01 01:40PM 
Hi,

One of our databases has just started producing the following errors over
the weekend...

Errors in file
/Volumes/app/oracle/admin/dmps_tst/udump/dmps_tst_ora_16040.trc: 
ORA-07445: exception encountered: core dump [kxsdmp()+188] [SIGBUS] [Invalid
address alignment] [1679844977] [] [] 
ORA-07445: exception encountered: core dump [kxsdmp()+188] [SIGBUS] [Invalid
address alignment] [1679844977] [] [] 
ORA-07445: exception encountered: core dump [kxsdmp()+188] [SIGBUS] [Invalid
address alignment] [1679844977] [] [] 
ORA-00600: internal error code, arguments: [17182], [2205248016], [], [],
[], [], [], [] 

Another DBA I work with opened a TAR (1535656.999) but I was wondering if
anyone else has seen this also?  The database is at version 8.1.6.2 on
Solaris 2.6.

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Re: Please Advice on Performance Tuning

2001-04-27 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Trace each process with timed statistics = true and run tkprof on the trace files, 
then compare.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/27/01 01:25AM 
Hi all,

We have got a Payroll Application develeoped in-house.

It takes 30-34 Minutes to Run this Batch Application.
General feeling is - it should be able to process it
within 10-15 Minutes may be less than that.

I am to look into this problem and give a solution to it.

Steps I had followed as

1. Import the payroll user to another Oracle User in the same database.

2. Removed unnecessary Index , Put parallelism into few
   tables by Alter table tab1 Parallel(DEGREE 5)

3. Analyze the tables with compute statistics;

4. Run the payroll without checking any inefficient SQL or 
   wrong programming logic in the those Packages( It has only
   two Package in it no other stand alone Procedure or  function).

Payroll under this new Oracle User runs in 22-24 Minutes, 6-9 Minutes
less. So, I asked Payroll Person to remove those unnecessary Index,
asked him to put parallelism into those tables which I had done.
He runs the Payroll with no Improvement at all. I asked again to 
drop those table and recreate it with new storage parameter same 
as the one created at New User.  Still no visible Improvement.

At this stage every table in both user has same storage parameter,same
index ,and also analyzed. The question is why in One User 
it runs in 22-24 Min and in another 30-34 Min ?

Now Please advice me what do I check or to do, so that the it time takes
to run comes down to 22-24 Min, same as the new user.

Oracle 8.1.4
Optimize goal : choose
Biggest table haiving record less than 6 rows.

Thanks in Advance

Naba

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Re: OT: Reading the Oracle Tea Leaves

2001-04-26 Thread Tim Sawmiller

As long as it doesn't really take hold for about 10 years or so, then I can retire 
before I become obsolete...   8-)



 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/25/01 06:36PM 
I foresee the database being sold as a turn key product configured by Oracle at a 
reduced price.   In order to receive the discount the purchaser would have to agree 
not to mess with the initSID.ora parameters, nor take any action which would enable 
or disable any database options.  What?!, not change init.ora parameters, you scoff. 
 Remember that Oracle 9i has some autotuning capability.  I expect, at first, 
autotuning will not work as advertised, but over time will mature into a powerful 
product.  

Ian MacGregor  
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May I ask,  just what type of restrictions do you envision when the database
software is made available at a reduced cost? 

- Kirti Deshpande 
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 -Original Message-
 From: MacGregor, Ian A. [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 11:17 AM
 To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject:  RE: MORE NEWS: ANOTHER ELLISON GUARANTEE - RE: News flash -
 IBM b
 
 The most interesting part of the gaurantee is the proscription against
 customization.  Ellison, at last year's OOW in San Franciso, spoke about
 the problem of supporting so many different configurations.   I suspect
 the CRM offer is only the start, and that Oracle will eventually offer
 their database software at a reduced cost with  the same restriction.   
 
 Ian MacGregor 
 Stanford Linear Acclerator Center
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 b
 
 
  
 I'm really sorry, but with these restrictions, they should
 be able to install it in a business week or less. 
 
 what losers!
 
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Re: OT: Reading the Oracle Tea Leaves

2001-04-26 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Nope, still in demand.  It seems the more init.ora parameters and other stuff becomes 
self tuning, the more our knowledge and skill set is required at higher levels.  As 
a for instance, it seems like CBO is finally working pretty well, but, there are more 
init.ora parameter settings that can influence CBO's logic, so they will still need us 
for awhile yet (hopefully).  

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/26/01 09:10AM 
lol -- me too!  This is something Larry has been predicting for a long time 
(quote you will not need DBAs with release fill in the blank)

I haven't noticed any dearth of work available, have you?

Rachel


From: Tim Sawmiller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: OT: Reading the Oracle Tea Leaves
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 04:30:22 -0800

As long as it doesn't really take hold for about 10 years or so, then I can 
retire before I become obsolete...   8-)



  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/25/01 06:36PM 
I foresee the database being sold as a turn key product configured by 
Oracle at a reduced price.   In order to receive the discount the purchaser 
would have to agree not to mess with the initSID.ora parameters, nor take 
any action which would enable or disable any database options.  What?!, 
not change init.ora parameters, you scoff.  Remember that Oracle 9i has 
some autotuning capability.  I expect, at first, autotuning will not work 
as advertised, but over time will mature into a powerful product.

Ian MacGregor
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Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 2:06 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
b


May I ask,  just what type of restrictions do you envision when the 
database
software is made available at a reduced cost?

- Kirti Deshpande
   Verizon Information Services
http://www.superpages.com 

  -Original Message-
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  IBM b
 
  The most interesting part of the gaurantee is the proscription against
  customization.  Ellison, at last year's OOW in San Franciso, spoke about
  the problem of supporting so many different configurations.   I suspect
  the CRM offer is only the start, and that Oracle will eventually offer
  their database software at a reduced cost with  the same restriction.
 
  Ian MacGregor
  Stanford Linear Acclerator Center
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
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  I'm really sorry, but with these restrictions, they should
  be able to install it in a business week or less.
 
  what losers!
 
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Re: ORA-04031

2001-04-26 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Increase it...



 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/26/01 12:00PM 
Hi All

After upgrading from 8.1.6.0. to 8.1.6.3 I am getting the following error
repeatedly.

ORA-04031: unable to allocate 4096 bytes of shared memory(shared
pool,TRIG_OWSSUBS,PL/SQL MPCODE,BAMIMA: Bam Buffer)

Also this error appears in the Oracle Alert log (not sure wether its
connected)

Errors in file /u01/app/oracle/admin/ukdb/udump/ukdb_ora_8432.trc:
ORA-07445: exception encountered: core dump [kkects()+64] [SIGSEGV]
[Address 
not mapped to object] [8] [] []


This is my shared pool size at the moment.

shared_pool_size = 52428800 

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Re: OT: Reading the Oracle Tea Leaves

2001-04-26 Thread Tim Sawmiller

I would say chances of getting impaled are about 50-50 in either choice




 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/26/01 11:46AM 
On Thu, 26 Apr 2001,Tim Sawmiller scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:

-Nope, still in demand.  It seems the more init.ora parameters and other stuff 
becomes self tuning, the more our knowledge and skill set is required at higher 
levels.  As a for instance, it seems like CBO is finally working pretty well, but, 
there are more init.ora parameter settings that can influence CBO's logic, so they 
will still need us for awhile yet (hopefully).

The question is, do I want them to or do I want to pursue my other career choice of 
javelin catcher? ;-)
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Re: Q: Oracle Year End???

2001-04-26 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Yes, May 31 is Oracle's fiscal year end.  I wouldn't know about the other item.



 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/26/01 11:41AM 

I have heard, but have not been able to confirm that May is Oracle's 
fiscal year-end.  Does anyone have any information regarding this?

I have also heard that May, being Oracles' year-end is the best month to 
buy.  Has anyone had experience with this?




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RE: HYPER VOLUMES - RE: Never split index and data files ...

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Re: Oracle vs DB2

2001-04-24 Thread Tim Sawmiller
 because Oracle delivers a higher quality of service than DB2. IBM touts its 
lower database price, but why risk your business on DB2, a product with many hidden 
costs? 

 
 Technology Innovation Is Key 
By far, the largest hidden cost of running DB2 is IBM's low rate of innovation.  
Innovation is key to a robust but flexible IT infrastructure. Information systems must 
evolve constantly as end-user demand changes. They need to evolve rapidly to respond 
to business changes such as company acquisitions or unexpected competitive pressure. 
An IT infrastructure based on software products that lack innovation becomes legacy 
very rapidly. And legacy is expensive to maintain or replace. 
Oracle has been the database technology innovator for 20 years. In 1979, Oracle 
delivered the first commercial relational database. In 2001, Oracle delivers the first 
database caching technology that improves web performance and allows IT organizations 
to reduce hardware costs. Oracle has not stopped innovating over the past 20 years.  

Buying DB2 means buying into an infrastructure that is less advanced than your 
competitors' and that quickly will become legacy in no time.  In the long run, buying 
DB2 equals additional and unnecessary costs as systems need to be upgraded or replaced 
to reap of the business benefits of more innovative technology. 

 
 Customers Are The Real Proof 
Customer acceptance is the real proof, and customers are choosing Oracle: 
Oracle has been growing its software business at an average rate of 20% per year while 
IBM's software business has been flat or declining for nearly six years in a row. 
Customers vote with their pocketbooks and, clearly, they are voting for Oracle, not 
IBM. 
Oracle has a higher customer retention rate than IBM (AMR Research, November 2000) 
11% of IBM DB2 customers plan on switching to a different database over the next 2 
years. (AMR Research, November 2000) 
Oracle is the most commonly used database across all industries, with usage rates that 
are, on average, 3 to 4 times higher than IBM DB2 (AMR Research, November 2000) 
Oracle database is the most commonly used database for developers: a recent EvansData 
survey shows that 55% of developers use Oracle, only 25% use IBM DB2. 

The Oracle leadership fact page is on www.oracle.com 

  Oracle Worldwide Marketing  


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/24/01 11:57AM 
Disclaimer: I am *not* trying to start a religious war, and I am *not*
trying to advocate DB2. I am simply offended. Thus this post.

As some may remember, I'm doing an evaluation of Oracle vs DB2 vs SQLServer
to determine our future direction. Here's a datum that makes a significant
difference to us, dollar-wise.

With Oracle, in order to make a database accessible to the internet through
a web page, you have to buy an unlimited-user enterprise license. We had a
senior sales person in our office yesterday, and we asked this question a
number of different ways. He bobbed and he weaved, but he did not deny it.
And the quote he supplied afterwards does not address the issue at all.

Cost of unlimited-user Enterprise version for our installation (your
mileage may vary) = Approx $160,000 Cdn.

IBM, for the same purpose, will sell you DB2 UDB Workgroup edition (1
user), and something called WE Internet Access, for a total price of $6000
Cdn. I have a written quote from an IBM salescritter to this effect.

$6000. $160,000. $6000. $160,000. Hm. Let me think.

I respectfully submit that Oracle's pricing structure is out of line with
market realities, and may have to undergo significant revision.



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Re: List of user sessions

2001-04-23 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Use this script:

rem Display Active User Sessions on the Data Base
rem
column username format a11
column the_command format a22
column serial# heading 'SER#'
column serial# format 99
column process heading Unix Process
select username, sid, serial#, process, command || '-' || ACT.name the_command
   ,to_char(logon_time,'mm/dd/yy hh24:mi') Logged On @:
   from v$session SES
   ,audit_actions ACT
   where command = ACT.action
order by username;

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Hi,

i want to know that how will i get to know how many users (along with their 
identities) who are logged in at any one particular moment of time.

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Re: Where can I find real-life-examples about ORACLE

2001-04-23 Thread Tim Sawmiller

I'd be curious to see your definitions of un-normalized and de-normalized...



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On 20 Apr 2001, at 19:15, Jared Still wrote:

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  Well, why would you *not* want to denormalize during design? It seems
  to me that (theoretically) ***if*** you are doing structured
  denormalization correctly, that is exactly when you would want to do
  it, no?
 
 Unless you detect a performance problem, why denormalize at all?
 
 We always have folks that want to denormalize because they *think*
 there will be a performance problem.   This usually occurs because
 they think that joining 3 or 4 tables will be too slow.


I guess I've been under the impression that a good design
process would be done with proper methods, including having
(legitimately tested) performance metrics.

Are you saying that is an overly idealistic approach for most
real world situations? :)

...

 ...  Only one table was highly denormalized, and
 that was nobody could figure out a reasonable way to normalize it.  Not sure
 if I could yet.  :)

Well, as i said before, my understanding is that it was 
unnormalized, which is different from denormalized.

 
 This may be different for really large OLTP databases with a very high number
 of users, but I've never had the privilege of working on one that big. 
 e.g. Amazon.com, etc.

ok. cool. last time I really paid any attention to this topic
was around Oracle v6. :)

I'll be migrating a departmental database to Oracle8/9 on NT
over the next 6 months or so. It is in severe need of
normalization. I'll start with a highly normalized model,
and see how it goes.

ep

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RE: SQLTrace

2001-04-23 Thread Tim Sawmiller
 a trace and run tkprof without having to jump through a bunch
of hoops. Anyone set up trace so someone other than oracle can do this?


The permissions on the trace files only allow reading by the file owner, so

setting the user into the dba group won't help.


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RE: Awfully annoying SQLLDR problem

2001-04-23 Thread Tim Sawmiller

I don't you *can* avoid the larger issue.  Oracle 8 has undergone some radical changes 
underneath the covers.  I would expect SQLLDR to have changed just as radically...

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/23/01 02:06PM 
No you are reading correctly.  I have the data on a server with a 7.3.2.3
database and am using that databases' binary sqlldr to load into the 8.1.5
database.  The problem is a timing issue.  I need to execute the load from the
7.3.2.3 server as part of a larger script.  I cannot ensure that the load will
be executed i a timely manner if it is run on the distant server.

Whether or not you agree with the timing issue I describe, I'd really appreciate
an answer to the Oracle problem.  I don't want to get into the larger issue of
why I have to run it from one server vs. another.  From an Oracle POV it should
work either way.

thanks,

..tom



 -Original Message-
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 To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
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 Ok,maybe i am lazy or a poor reader, but are you 
 using 732 sqlldr binaries to load an 815 db?
 
 Why not the 815 sqlldr binaries?
 
 I mean, it sounds like you have to ship data over the
 wire no matter what you do, so...why not use the latest
 version of the sqlldr bits?
 
 
 
 ==   -Original Message-
 ==   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
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 ==   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 ==   Subject: Awfully annoying SQLLDR problem
 ==   
 ==   
 ==   I am executing a SQLLDR shell file from a server :: 
 ==   sourceserv; RDBMS 7.3.2.3
 ==   AIX 4.3.2
 ==   into a database on server:: destserv; RDBMS 8.1.5 AIX 4.3.3
 ==   using a SQL*Net connect string destserv_destSID.  
 ==   
 ==   This connect string is defined in the local tnsnames.ora 
 ==   and works.  I confirmed
 ==   this by doing sqlplus user/pass@destserv_destSID and 
 ==   verifying that I am
 ==   connected to the correct instance.
 ==   
 ==   The target table exists.  I am connecting as the owner 
 ==   of the target table. That
 ==   owner has DBA.
 ==   
 ==   but when I run
 ==   
 ==   sqlldr userid=tabowner/pass@destserv_destSID 
 ==   CONTROL=localcontrolfile.ctl
 ==   (controlfile is below)
 ==   
 ==   I get SQL*Loader-925: Error while parsing a cursor (via ocisq3)
 ==   ORA-00942: table or view does not exist
 ==   
 ==   Help!  Does anyone have any ideas?
 ==   
 ==   tia,
 ==   
 ==   ..tom
 ==   
 ==   here's the controlfile
 ==   
 ==   LOAD DATA
 ==   INFILE data1.dat BADFILE load.bad
 ==   DISCARDFILE load.dsc
 ==   INSERT
 ==   INTO TABLE OWNER.TEST_LOAD
 ==   FIELDS TERMINATED BY ','
 ==   TRAILING NULLCOLS
 ==   (COL1,COL2,COL3)
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RE: Awfully annoying SQLLDR problem

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Re: REP: Locally Managed Tablespaces

2001-04-23 Thread Tim Sawmiller

And just who is it that told you that?  

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/23/01 02:40PM 
Are you using uniform extents? We are told they are not really = and actually are not 
the same at all over time.

Thanks,


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On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:25:31  
 Peter Barnett wrote:
We are using LMTs with several of our databases.  No problems.  With these
databases we are also running large file systems.  Although our OS imposes 
a theoretical limit of 31.G, we have kept our datafiles to 20G or
less.  Again, no problems.


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On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Patricia Ashe wrote:

 
 I am interested in some statistics on Oracle locally managed tablespaces.  I
 have been looking for any bugs or negative info about them.  Are they in use
 at alot of sites?  Seems like all the information I have come across is
 positive. Which is great!  But maybe they aren't being used at alot of
 sites.  Can I hear about experiences from others on this list?  how many
 sites are actually using them?
 I have several databases that I am getting ready to go production soon and
 would like to create the tablespaces as locally managed, but need more
 statistics.
 
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Fwd: Re: Where can I find real-life-examples about ORACLE

2001-04-23 Thread Tim Sawmiller


I'm an admitted purist...I look at denormalized and unnormalized as being the same.  
I've been on projects that wanted to introduce denormalization because the developers 
expected a performance issue.  After I look at it and disagree, then the war begins.  
On the other hand, on my latest project, I agreed with a suggested denormalization 
after I heard all the facts.  I like your point about calling it structured 
denormalization.  Makes sense to me.

As far as people making business decisions, why do they need to know about 
denormalization?  That's an implementation issue.  If they hired good IT people, then 
they're ok. If they didn't, they're screwed.   Such is life in the big city.  We need 
to get some successes under our belt so we can preach  with confidence and  having 
refenceable clients available.

 Eric D. Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/23/01 02:06PM 
And I'd be curious to know why you are curious!

What I have gathered so far from the discussion is that normalization
zealotry, probably similar to other purist perspectives in life,
doesn't get any particularly huge respect in the real world.

In other words, people that make business decisions have never heard
of any conventional wisdom that violating normalized db designs will
automatically wreck their organization. Like many other things, their
IT infrastructure will inefficiently plod along, and suffer the burden
of crappy models (grumbling dbas and all) in spite of a lack of
conformance to theoretical orthodoxy.

I would guess that in some cases, an organization's IT folks might be
able to present a coherent business case for zealous normalization,
but doing so is probably a rare skill, and perhaps even more rarely
appreciated by the organization.

Unfortunately the situation for structured denormalization is 
probably about the same, except that it may not have quite the 
political baggage, and so can just be used as a technical method.

ep

ps, don't forget that the word structured needs to be in front
of denormalized. on the other hand, unnormalized (non-normal)
by definition can't be structured. unnormalized implies a
*lack* of methodology, whereas structured denormalization implies
method/rules/order/metrics/analysis/etc.

pss, do you remember reading the Oracle Magazine article on 
denormalization by Ulka Rogers back in the Oracle v6 (or maybe
early v7) days?

On 23 Apr 2001, at 10:15, Tim Sawmiller wrote:

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ORACLE

 I'd be curious to see your definitions of un-normalized and de-normalized...
 
 
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/23/01 01:55PM 
 
 On 20 Apr 2001, at 19:15, Jared Still wrote:
 
 Date sent:Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:15:20 -0800
 To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  
   Well, why would you *not* want to denormalize during design? It seems
   to me that (theoretically) ***if*** you are doing structured
   denormalization correctly, that is exactly when you would want to do
   it, no?
  
  Unless you detect a performance problem, why denormalize at all?
  
  We always have folks that want to denormalize because they *think*
  there will be a performance problem.   This usually occurs because
  they think that joining 3 or 4 tables will be too slow.
 
 
 I guess I've been under the impression that a good design
 process would be done with proper methods, including having
 (legitimately tested) performance metrics.
 
 Are you saying that is an overly idealistic approach for most
 real world situations? :)
 
 ...
 
  ...  Only one table was highly denormalized, and
  that was nobody could figure out a reasonable way to normalize it.  Not sure
  if I could yet.  :)
 
 Well, as i said before, my understanding is that it was 
 unnormalized, which is different from denormalized.

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Re: Weird link problem

2001-04-18 Thread Tim Sawmiller

What happens if you do select count(name) from tab1.table?

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/18/01 09:55AM 
AIX 4.3
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When I select through a database link I have having a strange problem.  If I
select a field or fields it works.  If I select a count it hangs.  Any ideas?

select count(*) from tab1.table;  **hangs**

select name, address from tab1.table;  **works fine**

Help!!!

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Designer 6i Versioning vs. ?

2001-04-18 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Anyone familiar with Designer 6i's versioning capabilties?  Does it compare well with 
Clearcase, PVCS, etc?

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RE: Temporary Tablespace Design

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Don't Let Microsoft's Claim of Superior Database Security Fool

2001-04-17 Thread Tim Sawmiller
curity? 
Oracle, IBM zero in on database security - eWeek (March 2001) 

Securing Oracle - Information Security Magazine (Sept 2000) 

Oracle8i: Polished for Web - eWeek (March 2000) 

Oracle Internet Directory: A Mission-Critical Directory Built for Heavy Lifting - 
Aberdeen Group (2000) 


 
   Who are some of the customers and partners using Oracle's security technology? 
Excite@Home  
U.S. Air Force  
FirstWorld Communications  
Trusted Computer Solutions (E-Leaders)  
U.S. Department of Interior  
Chase Manhatten Bank  
Braintree  
Protegrity  
Kaiser Permanente  
Tomax  
Covisint 
The best reference is Oracle itself: 
Oracle Global IT  
Oracle E-Business Suite  
Exchange.oracle.com  
Oracle Portal Online  
Sales.Oracle.com  

   Where can I find more security related information? 
Respond against Microsoft's C2 certification press release: 
http://compete3.us.oracle.com/rt/docs/DATABASE/SS2K_SECURITY.HTML 

Sales/Marketing: http://marketing.us.oracle.com/security 

Technical information:http://security.us.oracle.com 

oracle.com:http://www.oracle.com/ip/solve/security/index.html?content.html 

otn:http://technet.oracle.com/deploy/security/ 


 
   Who can I contact for security assistance? 
Product Marketing:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

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   Oracle Worldwide Marketing  


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Re: Ability for non DBA user to kill session.

2001-04-17 Thread Tim Sawmiller

I don't think you can kill yourself anymore, at least in 8.1.6.  Even as a DBA, Oracle 
wouldn't let me off myself...

Note to ALL:  ENOUGH WITH THE POLITICAL CLAPTRAP ALREADY!!!

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/17/01 11:26AM 
All,
 
Is there a method for allowing a non DBA user to kill their own (and only
their own) session. I have had a trawl through Metalink and have seen
various methods (using procedures) of doing it but all of these appear to
rely on granting the alter system role to the user.
 
Oracle 8.0.5.0.0
Compaq Tru64 4.0f
 
Regards
 
Lee

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RE: current transaction in oracle

2001-04-17 Thread Tim Sawmiller

set pagesize 1000
spool actual
SELECT
SID,
TYPE,
STATUS,
USERNAME,
SQL_TEXT,
EXECUTIONS,
LOCKWAIT,
SERVER,
OSUSER,
PROCESS,
MACHINE,
TERMINAL,
PROGRAM
FROM
V$SQLAREA,
V$SESSION
WHERE
V$SESSION.SQL_ADDRESS = V$SQLAREA.ADDRESS(+)
AND V$SESSION.SQL_HASH_VALUE = V$SQLAREA.HASH_VALUE(+)
ORDER BY
SID
/
spool off

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/17/01 01:25PM 
Try

select * from sys.v_$sqlarea

Anthony

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hi,

i am looking for a sql statement which can tell me the
current sql running in oracle.

TIA
Srinivas

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RE: How to get rid off file permanently?

2001-04-13 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Now won't you feel bad if someone actually follows your tongue-in-cheek suggestion?



 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/12/01 06:10PM 
Another good way of reclaiming disk space on Unix boxes is to execute "rm
-rf /"
as "root". That is an excellent way for saving some money for the disk
drives

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I have dropped a datafile a couple of times by taking it offline and then
dropping it.  This was done after I created a new datafile and accidentally
put it in the wrong place, got the allocation wrong or misspelled the name.
You just have to make absolutely sure that the datafile does not contain any
objects.

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You can't just drop a datafile.  You need to drop the entire tablespace.

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Hi all,

I need to permanently get rid off some files from the
database.  I did this:

1. alter database datafile
'/orafs/ora1/oradata/LUCP/users02.dbf' offline drop

2. rm the file from physical directory

After I shutdown and restart the db, I still see the
file in dba_data_files table.  So how to tell the
control file that the file is already gone?

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RE: Should each partition have it's own tablespace and

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Re: Temporary Tablespace Design

2001-04-12 Thread Tim Sawmiller

I'd be tempted to make it 4 times your largest expected working set, but how you 
arrive at that figure is beyond me...

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/12/01 04:05AM 
What's your experience about the temporary table
design? I read Michael Ault's Orcale8 Administartion
and Management , it says "For Cost-based optimization,
it should be 4 times of the largest table". I have a
table of 60 Million records, and it costs 16GB, should
I have a 64GB temp tablespace(I don't think so, though
it's a 100GB database, and I have a 300GB of
diskspace).

Thanks for your advice.

Chris

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Re: Problem with database link

2001-04-12 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Did you look in TNSNAMES.ORA?

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/11/01 09:10PM 
Hi there!

I'm having a problem with database links here.

I am on my SPEEDY database and want to create a link that points to another
database called SAM.

create database link SAM connect to user identified by pasword using 'SAM';


Then I try and issue that statement:

select view_name from user_views@SAM
 *
ERROR at line 2:
ORA-02085: database link SAM.VIVONET.COM connects to SAM

Where does our domain name appendix (vivonet.com) come from I looked in
all the possible config files (e.g. sqlnet.ora etc.) and couldn't find
anything. In both databases the init.ora parameter is set to global_names =
true.

Any idea?

This is 8.1.6 on Win2k.

Thanks,
Helmut

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Re: Full import from Oracle 7.3.4 on NT to Solaris 8.1.7

2001-04-10 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Just pre-create the tablespaces.  The import will not try to create them if they 
already exist.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/10/01 11:13AM 
Hi All,

I have not done subject line before. My question is doing a full export from
NT then importing onto Unix.
The export file will have a hardcoded path for creating the datafiles.
Obviously that will fail on UNIX. 
What is best way to do full export from NT to UNIX. Should I just pre-create
the tablespaces then 
import with ignore=y option?

Thanks
Rick Cale, Science Applications International Corp.
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RE: tirggers

2001-04-09 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Once accessed they should stay in memory the duration of the session.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/06/01 01:20PM 
I do specify Buffer_pool_keep but I was under the impression that you needed
to FTS the tables to get them into memory?

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Why not just specify BUFFER POOL KEEP in an alter table statement?

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/05/01 05:56PM 
What is the problem to write something like
Select * from table_name for all tables that you need or if there are too
many such tables - create a new table with names of the tables and use
dynamic SQL .

Alex Hillman

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Subject:tirggers

Hi Intelligent DBA's
I was wondering if anyone knows how to create a trigger that
would fire off
at database startup time and run a script to do full table scans on
several
tables to get them into the buffer cache keep pool?  Right now I do
it
manually and would like to automate the task.

Sincerely,
Kevin Kostyszyn
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Re: Last modification

2001-04-09 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Nope, nope, and nope.  To have this feature, you will have to add such columns 
yourself, and maintain them, probably by triggers.

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I'd like to know when one record had been modified ... Is there a hidden
column with that information ? A special table associating the rowid with a
date ? Anything else ???

Thanks

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RE: Parallel index builds can crash

2001-04-09 Thread Tim Sawmiller
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Title:  ORA-01652: estimate space needed to create index




 - Also further researched and found:Bug:377439.-P 
Abstract:   INDEX BUILD FAIL WITH PARALLEL DEGREE  1



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Re:RE: Parallel index builds can crash

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Re:RE: Parallel index builds can crash

2001-04-09 Thread Tim Sawmiller
by the query server
processes.
Therefore, an index created with an INITIAL
  of 5MB and a DOP of 12 consumes at least 60MB of storage during
index
creation because each process starts with an extent of 5MB. When the
query
coordinator process combines the  sorted subindexes, some of the extents
may
be trimmed, and the resulting index may be smallerthan the requested
60MB.  


ORA-1652
From version 7.x, we can create certain objects in parallel, or
unrecoverable.  
In order for Oracle to accomplish this, temporary segments are created that 
eventually become a permanent part of the object, yet Oracle still refers to

them as temp segments. Thus, most of the time you receive this error, it
will 
be referring to the tablespace the object is going to be created in. 

Do the following query to find out if you're out of extents: 
  
select max(blocks), max (bytes) from sys.dba_free_space  
  where  tablespace_name = 'tablespace in error message'; 
 
For example, The above query may return:
 SQL blocks  bytes 
 614312,580,864  
 
Notice that the biggest CONTIGUOUS block of free space is only 6143 blocks
and 
Oracle needs a contiguous block of free space of 6144 to create an object. 
 
You may have a lot of free space in separate blocks in your tablespace, but
if 
it is not contiguous, Oracle cannot use it. Allocating extents requires that

there be a contiguous block of free space. 


SOLUTION:  
1. Add a datafile to the tablespace  
2. Adjust the storage parameters of the object you are trying to create. 
   Parameters to look at: initial extent, next extent, pct increase. 
3. If you have a lot of free space in that tablespace, but the it is  
   very fragmented, you may want to consider rebuilding the tablespace. 
4. Enable AUTOEXTEND for the datafile 


 

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Abstract:   INDEX BUILD FAIL WITH PARALLEL DEGREE  1



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RE: Recovery from noarchive db corrected

2001-04-06 Thread Tim Sawmiller

I would tell them that THEY are then responsible for database recovery if a problem 
should occur.  If the DBA is to be responsible, then the DBA should be able to utilize 
the recovery tools provided by the vendor (Oracle).

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/06/01 12:45AM 
The developer application running huge batch inserting data into database,
that is what they told me, if you are me what you will do?

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assuming you're the dba, since when does the developer dictate
recoverability to a DBA about a database.

sounds like a role problem there.

joe

Sinardy Xing wrote:

 Our Developer prefer the archive off, I can't change that anymore :(

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 Turn archiving on.

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  Like for example incresed the REDO buffer to ... (daily buffer)?
  Will this decrese the performance ?
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RE: tirggers

2001-04-06 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Why not just specify BUFFER POOL KEEP in an alter table statement?

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/05/01 05:56PM 
What is the problem to write something like 
Select * from table_name for all tables that you need or if there are too
many such tables - create a new table with names of the tables and use
dynamic SQL .

Alex Hillman

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Hi Intelligent DBA's
I was wondering if anyone knows how to create a trigger that
would fire off
at database startup time and run a script to do full table scans on
several
tables to get them into the buffer cache keep pool?  Right now I do
it
manually and would like to automate the task.

Sincerely,
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Re: failed to extent to the next

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Re: Is ALTER TABLE ADD COLUMN a time-consuming operation ?

2001-04-05 Thread Tim Sawmiller

If the new column is nullable, it should very little time, since all that happens is 
an update to the dictionary.  If it is not null, then the column will have to be 
physically added to each row with a value.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/05/01 07:15AM 
Hello List

We are going to change structure of a big table (more than 250.000.000
rows).
We need to add a column with NUMBER type.
I'm unclear how Oracle do this operation.
 Does it mean that Oracle have to read and reformat all table 
blocks in order to update each row header?
If yes, I can suggest that estimation of  the operation's time is about 
time of Full Table Scan on the table.
Is it correct? Please explain.

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Re: new DBA/DBO basic training

2001-04-04 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Teach him to write a resume...

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/01 07:50AM 
Dear all !

I'm leaving my current job soon , but before i leave i need to teach one of
the developers here some very-very basic DBA / DBO stuff.
This guy is going to support our existing databases .

I'm just wondering what should i teach him . The training must be short and
very practical .
He knows some basic SQL already .
I thought of briefly giving him some Oracle instance/database concepts ,
i.e. what is instance , SGA , background processes , database , tablespace ,
rollback segments .
Then i thought of just showing him how to shutdown / start up the instance
and the listener .
Then a short session on SQL*Loader ( we use it a lot here ) , exp/imp .
I also gave him the Kevin Looney's "Oracle DBA Handbook" to take a look at .

Am i missing something ?

Please advice .
Please note that taking a course is not an option for us .

Thanks a lot .
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Re: Unable to open the database,Urgent!!!

2001-04-04 Thread Tim Sawmiller

I don't think you're having memory problems;  check for the number of available 
semaphores;  sounds like that should increase;

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/01 07:00AM 

Hi,

In a Unix Machine I want to create two instance on a single server.Its
memory size is 1GB.

I am trying to up one instance it is opening well .While Creating other
instance I am getting this error.

ORA-07279: spcre: semget error, unable to get first semaphore set.
SVR4 Error: 28: No space left on device
Additional information: 25
Additional information: 2


But I tred to shutdown the first database and open the second one ,the
second one open well and Viceversa.

But WhenTrying to open both the database it gives the above error.

Please tell me what i wil do.

Previously the SGA size was 15MB.

The new one I tried to 6Mb ,then eror gives.

Thne next method I tried SGA is 6Mb for 1st database and second is 2Mb.thne
still error

Tell me what I will do.

Saroj.



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Re: Indexes causing a slowdown

2001-04-04 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Yep.  As you're loading, Oracle keeps trying to re-balance the tree.   Oracle 8i 
handles this better.  I have a client who avoided this problem by reversing the order 
of the digits of the sequence generated key, so, for example, if your next key is 
123456789, you would reverse that and use 987654321 instead.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/01 11:16AM 
OS HP10.20
Oracle 7.3.3 (ya I know)

Every now and then we get the situation were application grows to a
standstill as far as loading data.  These should all be straight forward
inserts.  Rebuilding the indexes causes the problem to go away.  These
indexes are all based on primary key values like sequence numbers.  Now I
know that indexes that are of that type will not have a balanced tree and
will periodically need to be rebuilt but to me that should just affect
things that are trying to select from the index.  Problem is, it takes a
full day to rebuild the indexes on this database and we cannot do this while
the app is up due to activity levels keeping the tables locked.  

Does this sound like normal behavior for indexes?


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Re: PL/SQL - invail declare of char

2001-04-04 Thread Tim Sawmiller

You didn't spell calanderstring consistently bi guy...(calendarstring...)

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/01 02:41PM 
Hello,
I know I am missing something.  I just can't see it right now.  Could someone please 
tell me what is wrong here?  We use version 8.1.6 on Spar Solaris 7.

I am getting the following error when I try to create this function as sys.

PLS-00201: identifier 'CALANDERSTRING' must be declared

Here is the function.

CREATE OR REPLACE FUNCTION ACADEMICYEARTERM_TO_CAL(
 ayear4  IN CHAR,
 aterm2  IN CHAR)
   RETURN  CHAR  IS
 calandarString CHAR(10) := '  ';
BEGIN
  SELECT term_desc || ' ' || to_char(start_date, '')
 into calanderString
 from term
 where term   = aterm2
 and  academic_year = ayear4;
RETURN (calanderString);
 EXCEPTION
  WHEN OTHERS THEN
   RETURN(calanderString);
END;
/

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RE: Redo log size MAX = ?

2001-04-03 Thread Tim Sawmiller

So, based on the responses I've seen, this statement can be declared to be false.



 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/03/01 11:05AM 
hi
forget about recovery from online redo logs
It doesn't exist in Oracle

Regards
Tapiwa

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Hi,

My database = noarchive mode (compulsory for our application)
In case of instance failure can oracle perform recovery from redo log ? if
can what will be tne maximum size of the redo log recommended.
Because I need set that size for whole day transaction currently 512K (3
redo logs) switched every 15 - 30 minutes.
Can oracle perform recovery from inactive or "other status" redo log ?

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Re: Good Oracle Apps listserv?

2001-04-02 Thread Tim Sawmiller
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Re: Problems on Sun E450 server.

2001-03-30 Thread Tim Sawmiller

FWIW, I had a client who experienced occasional performance problems on an E450.  It 
looked like a disk bottleneck, but it was really a memory problem.  A process with 
high I/O activity overloaded the swap area.  Adding a couple of gig of memory helped a 
lot.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/30/01 06:35AM 
Clinton

I have run databases on E450s which outperform comparable E3X00 servers. I 
would therefore believe that the fault is with your set up, SUN or Oracle.
You say the same spec but can you clarify eg no of connections, data volumes 
etc

Allan


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Hi.

Just curious to know if anyone out there has had any performance problems
with Oracle on a Sun E450 server before?
Our database is a dog at the moment compared to the same spec database
running on a Sun Ultra 10.

Any info would be appreciated.

Thanks

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RE: select count(col1) from A where col1=col2. Indexes on

2001-03-30 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Well YOU might be saying that, but is ORACLE understanding that...
Try adding two where clauses( and col1 is not null and col2 is not null )
and see what happens.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/30/01 08:10AM 
Hi,
  I don't want it to count the rows with col1 as null.  When I specify
col1=col2, I am implicitly saying that they are both non-null and equal to
each other.

regards,
ram

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Well, how will it count the rows where col1 is null if it just uses the
index?  There are no entries in the index for those rows...

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/30/01 06:30AM 
 Hi,
 I have a table A with two identical, integer, nullable columns col1 and
 col2, both of which are indexed.
 The table A has 100,000 rows and takes up 11,000 blocks.  
 The indexes on the two columns take about 225 leaf blocks each with
 BLevel=1.  
 The optimizer goal is set to CHOOSE and the table analyzed with compute
 stats.  
 Oracle version 8.1.7 on Win' 2000.
 
 Right,  when I now run the query:
 
 SELECT COUNT(col1) 
   FROM A
   WHERE col1=col2;
 
 the CBO is doing a full table scan on A (with 11000 physical reads)
 rather than just joining 
 the two indexes to get the result.  
 
 I have two questions:
 1.  Why is the CBO not choosing to join the indexes by default?
 2.  When I gave an INDEX_JOIN hint 
 /*+ INDEX_JOIN (A COL1IDX COL2IDX) */, 
 it did do a hash join of the two indexes which was faster but still
 took about 6500 physical 
 reads while the two indexes put together take only about 452
 blocks.  Any idea what the 
 extra disk reads are doing?
 
 Thanks in advance,
 Ram
 
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Re: OT: RANT ABOUT OCP, Re: Small help

2001-03-29 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Well done Bill...nicely handled...gotta remember that one!

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/29/01 08:00AM 
"Joseph S. Testa" wrote:
 
 Lee, i'm with you 200%,
 
 oh and for the original addressee(and others) if you can't figure out
 what the heck that simple pl/sql block is doing(or where to figure it
 out), then quit diluting the OCP worthiness,  people who study just to
 take the OCP and have no experience just go to further the waste of
 paper that the certificate is printed on.  :)
 
 joe

you know you really should tell us just how you feel and not beat around
the bush that way.;-)

i got asked yesterday by damagement why i wasn't certified.  when i
asked if they would pay for the courses/exams they didn't seem to think
that was "in the training budget".  so i said they's just have to put up
with me the way i was and got back to building the database
infrastructure.;-)

oh well, guess i'll end up loosing out to someone with an OCP.;-)

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Re: Why can't I see any Application Systems in my Des 2000

2001-03-29 Thread Tim Sawmiller

This might have worked better had you created a repository from scratch in your new 
8.1.5 database, then exported/imported the application systems from your old 
repository to your new one.  This is how I would have done it.



 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/29/01 08:00AM 

I just migrated my database that supports Des/2000 version 2.1 from
7.3.4 to 8.1.5.   I did not upgrade Designer and don't plan to at this
time.
Due to lack of any specific documentation anywhere on how to migrate
this database, I simply created a brand new database of the same
name on a different box as 8.1.5 and imported a full database dump
that I had exported from the system Oracle ID on the old 7.3.4 database.

I doubted this would work but thought I would try.   I changed my
tnsnames.ora
file on my NT to point to the new database and brought Des/2000 up.  The
Application System pop-up window comes up and shows me no Application
Systems.   If I hit cancel on this popup, I can get to and bring up the
Repository
Adminstration Utility.   I selected Upgrade, went through the various
steps,
and everything says that my repository is already up to date.

I feel that I am missing some script.  Perhaps a cat for Designer/2000.
Is there any such thing?  Is there anything else I can run from the
Repository
Administration Utility that will make my Application Systems show up in the
pop-up window?

Can anyone point me to any documentation on how to migrate a database
supporting Des/2000 without upgrading Designer?   I have looked through
a lot on online documentation on Technet, Metalink but all of it assumes
that
you are upgrading Designer.

Thanks in advance to any kind soul who can help.   I've posted multiple
times on this topic but not recieved any specific steps to run.

Thanks,

Cherie Machler
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RE: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes

2001-03-29 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Surely there's a Reader's Digest Condensed Version

Or how about Cliff Notes?

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/29/01 10:45AM 
Also, for Oracle 7 at least, the documentation is about 10,000 pages long,
that would take a lot of tapes.

Regards,

Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle DBA)
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 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 10:36 AM
 To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject:  Re: Oracle Books on Audio Tapes
 
 
 --- Apps Sol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Is there any place where we can get Oracle books  on Tape (Audio
  tapes or CD's) 
  RK
 
 
 I doubt it. From what I understand, audio books are primarily made from
 best-selling fiction. What non-fiction audio books exist are probably
 limited to stuff with the broadest general appeal (best-sellers).
 
 I've personally never heard of technical books on tape/audio CD.
 However, you might be able to make your own, rather tediously, if you
 receive a PDF version along with a "dead tree" technical book.
 
 1. Copy-paste the text from the PDF to your word processor of choice.
 2. Use text-to-speech software to creave WAV files
 3. Burn to CD.
 
 Or, you may want to purchase some Oracle Computer-Based-Training CDROMs
 and burn the audio tracks to an audio CD(if they're in a standard audio
 format or a format you could convert to WAVs) - or convert and download
 to an MP3 player. That's probably your best choice, though an expensive
 one.
 
  - Dana
 
 
 
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RE: Standard vs Enterprise Edition

2001-03-29 Thread Tim Sawmiller

I am compelled to tell you this story...
Many years ago I had a gold fish that had some sort of parasite on it...it was green.  
My gold fish book actually had a remedy for this.  Take the fish out of the water, 
remove the parasite with tweezers, apply a small drop of mecurchrome(sp?), then bathe 
the fish in a lite saltwater solution for an hour.  Sounds weird?  Maybe, but I did 
it, and it worked!  The spot on the fish actually healed.



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RE: Standard vs Enterprise Edition [growl] This is sort of off topic, but on the 
subject of "EnterpriseEdition"s As you may remember, I've been doing comparisons 
betweenOracle, SQLServer, and DB2, pricewise and otherwise. I asked for priceson the 
"Enterprise" versions of all, so that I could be comparing thefull-featured flagships 
in all cases. Well, it turns out IBM's DB2 alsocomes in "Extended Enterprise Edition" 
(E3), which adds clustering to themix (actually pretty good specs on that 
feature).Apologies to anyone who gets offended, but this is kind of like howcondoms 
come in "Large", "Larger", and "Huge".Dennis TaylorNo 
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RE: nvl affect on idexes

2001-03-29 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Well, assuming xfoo is a variable, this is not correct...the function is not being 
used on the indexed field in this case, so the index WILL be used.  If xfoo is a 
column in the table, then I would expect a full table scan to be used.


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/29/01 11:16AM 
Eric, Oracle won't use the index in this case. Instead have a function-based
index.

Prakash

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Does nvl have any effect on indexes.  In other words would it slow down a
query if you used the nvl function in the where clause on an indexed field.

i.e.

select *
from foo
where indexField  nvl(xfoo,0);

Thanks,
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Re: Set transaction does not work

2001-03-29 Thread Tim Sawmiller

I think the big rollback segment needs to be private.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/29/01 12:50PM 
RDBMS 7.3.2.3

I am running this under SQLPLUS

set transaction use rollback segment BIG_ROLLBACK

select c1, c2
from giant_poorly_indexed_table
where unindexed_colum='';

exit;

I end up with "snapshot too old"  rollback segment RB_07.

Why won't it use the giant rollback segment I created for this transaction?  The
segment is public and it is online.




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 I checked yesterday and 8.0.6 which is the terminal 8.0.X release is
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RE: Tuning Matter == Parameter PCT_USED in a Table

2001-03-23 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Ok, I'll admit my ignorance.  What the heck does   "1 row" mean?  It can't mean the 
row length, or you'll end up with a negative PCT_USED.  

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/22/01 09:35PM 
Hi Bambang,

Analyze the table and you'll find the average row length in
USER_TABLES.AVG_ROW_LEN. Subtract 90 bytes from the block size before
expressing that as a percentage and round it up. Also, the formula
should be PCT_USED = 100 - (PCT_FREE + 1 row). There are scripts on the
Ixora web site that do this sort of stuff.

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Dear Listers,

I've download a presentation talking about Calculating PCT_USED .
the formula is quite simple :
PCT_USED + PCT_FREE  100
PCT_USED = PCT_FREE + 1 row size

but I have no idea to calculate the size of 1 row in a table .

is there anyone who knows to calculate it  ?
or any alternative formula to calculate PCT_USED ?

Thanks a lot in advance  : )

=bambang=


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Re: Single Code Table or Separate Code tables dilemma

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RE: EMC TimeFinder, and EMC TimeFinder vs Hot Standby

2001-03-22 Thread Tim Sawmiller

So, Jared, are you auditioning for Louis Rukeyser's job?  8-)

Lisa can probably explain better, but as I recall, BCV is something Backup Control 
Volumes.  It's a third mirror that can be split off from the other two and used for a 
cold backup (e.g. shutdown Oracle database, split BCVs from the mirror set, restart 
Oracle (this takes like 5 minutes or less); run cold backup at your leisure).  Then 
they can be re-attached to the mirrored disks at any time and the BCVs are 
synchronized with the mirrored disks automagically.  Right Lisa?

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/21/01 11:17PM 

Ok, does someone one to define SRDF and BCV for
those of us that don't have any idea what you're
talking about?

Jared

On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Koivu, Lisa wrote:

 Hi Yosi, how are you?

 I can't exactly clarify your fish vs. potatoes, er, timefinder vs. SRDF
 question but I can tell you that we have BCV's implemented here.  We use
 them for backup and recovery (and it's extremely slick and fast, let me tell
 you!  Worth every penny we paid) However you can also mount the BCV's and
 access the data.  Honestly I don't see any reason why I wouldn't be able to
 install Oracle on this server and open up a read-only database on the BCV's.
 Except for maybe the fact that my employer practically chokes when Oracle
 quotes pricing.

 We are running HP/UX.  If you want more specific info, email me directly and
 I'll be glad to answer questions.

 Have a great day...

 Lisa Rutland Koivu
 Oracle Database Administrator

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Re: EMC TimeFinder, and EMC TimeFinder vs Hot Standby

2001-03-22 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Yeah, that's it, Business Continuation Volume.  The client site I was at was going to 
use that for a daily cold backup, and leave it disconnected for use as a "reporting" 
database.  It was going to be a poor man's data warehouse.  Not the best idea, but a 
method to at least get started.  The plan was to re-synch in the early evening, then 
do the whole shutdown, detach, startup, backup process again.  I do remember one flaw 
in the plan was that you couldn't have a second database instance on the same server 
accessing the BCVs because the disk addressing would conflict with the mirrored disks, 
so they needed a second, smaller server to mount the BCVs to for handling the second 
reporting database.  The server involved was IBM AIX.  I believe HP has the same 
limitation.  Dunno if the limitation is server based or if it's a general disk 
addressing issue.



 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/22/01 08:15AM 
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 Ok, does someone one to define SRDF and BCV for
 those of us that don't have any idea what you're
 talking about?
 
 Jared

BCV stands for Business Continuation Volume, in essence an extra mirror
of a volume that can be snapped off to use for backup or reporting uses
when mounted on another server.

[eeep... i just answered a question from the List God(tm);-)]

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RE: But all is not gloom and doom for Oracle...

2001-03-22 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Which is why, when you put all your eggs into that basket, you WATCH THAT BASKET!!!

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/22/01 09:45AM 
I don't know if I necessarily agree with that.  What if their financial
report from the past 3 years shows a lot of growth.  Well if you don't
investigate  the company and find anything out about it, you could be
getting yourself into trouble.  What if they just replaced mgmt and he/she's
a meat head and doesn't like the current staff?  Goes out and hires new
machanics and they suck, now that historical financial data doesn't mean
anyting, current customers will leave and no new ones will be coming.  Bye
bye repair shop!

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Well the Oracle CFO is naturally going to be bullish.  What's wrong with
listening to an independent analyst?  And your buddy is doing financial
analysis, not chemical analysis, so your story is supererogatory.   If I
want to invest in a car repair shop, I want to know about financial
performance.  If their mechanics aren't any good, I expect the finances will
reflect that.  Try using analogies that are valid please.


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/21/01 03:29PM 
It's all "accounting" and "Wall street analysts".  Most accountants I know
can't
keep their own check books balanced and I've got an old class mate down in a
wallstreet brokerage.  He does petrochemical companies.  What I don't
understand
is how he got the job as he flunked chemistry in HS, and I mean REALLY
flunked,
like  40 as a final grade not to mention what happen to the lab bench!!

It just doesn't figure.  If you have a car problem you go looking for a
qualified mechanic.  But when you've got money to invest you listen to an
Analyst?  What about the opinions coming from the company CFO??  Case of the
blind leading the blind  deaf.

Dick Goulet

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Author: "Tim Sawmiller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:   3/21/2001 11:45 AM

But all is not gloom and doom for Oracle.  Excerpts from Chuck Phillips of
Morgan Stanley on the last quarter

It's useful to keep the quarter in perspective.
It's a miss but not a  financial disaster:

 - Oracle made $900 million in operating profits in the quarter.  This is
 real business.

 - Revenue of $2.67 billion was 5% below our $2.75 billion estimate --
   not 25%  below like some other pre-announcements.

 - The company booked $1.1 billion in license revenue instead of our $1.2
   billion estimate -- so most deals closed.

 - Applications were up 50% in the quarter.  Database was flat to
   slightly  down in the quarter versus a tough compare.  Total licenses
   increased  6%.

 Oracle was one of the last generals left standing on a brittle
 technology  battlefield, and in the end couldn't avoid the bullets and hand
grenades  that  were showering down from above.  It has become clear that in
an
environment  like this one, there are no bulletproof vests.  Other software
companies  have  to be concerned and will likely see something in March.
Oracle
has a  strong  product line, is well established with customers references
and
couldn't  get  quite enough deals done.  Most other software companies are
in
far  weaker  positions from a product and positioning perspective.


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The operating margin for the third quarter was 33 percent. That's up
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Combine the disappointing operating margin with flat, rather than
growing, profits and what you end up with is a cost savings, year-
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RE: EMC TimeFinder, and EMC TimeFinder vs Hot Standby

2001-03-22 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Just make sure you have a mirror on each side of the fault line...




 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/22/01 10:56AM 
I believe fiber channel makes this possible because it allow drives to be
separated by about 60 kilometers (or is it 100?) without having any latency
problems. I read somewhere that some shops have been able to roll their own
SRDF/BCV-like triple mirror solution without having to buy huge, expensive
3rd party "boxed" solutions. Has anyone done this or know of anyone else who
has?

I'd like to have some mirrored drives on opposite sides of the San Francisco
Bay... of course this won't help me in a massive earthquake where the entire
state of California slips into the Pacific Ocean. ;-)

Steve Orr


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Tim,

That sounds about right.  SRDF is something like Symmetrix Remote Data
Facility and is basically mirrored disks at a remote site.

Rachel


From: "Tim Sawmiller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: EMC TimeFinder, and EMC TimeFinder vs Hot Standby
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 04:30:26 -0800

So, Jared, are you auditioning for Louis Rukeyser's job?  8-)

Lisa can probably explain better, but as I recall, BCV is something Backup
Control Volumes.  It's a third mirror that can be split off from the other
two and used for a cold backup (e.g. shutdown Oracle database, split BCVs
from the mirror set, restart Oracle (this takes like 5 minutes or less);
run cold backup at your leisure).  Then they can be re-attached to the
mirrored disks at any time and the BCVs are synchronized with the mirrored
disks automagically.  Right Lisa?

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/21/01 11:17PM 

Ok, does someone one to define SRDF and BCV for
those of us that don't have any idea what you're
talking about?

Jared

On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Koivu, Lisa wrote:

  Hi Yosi, how are you?
 
  I can't exactly clarify your fish vs. potatoes, er, timefinder vs. SRDF
  question but I can tell you that we have BCV's implemented here.  We use
  them for backup and recovery (and it's extremely slick and fast, let me
tell
  you!  Worth every penny we paid) However you can also mount the BCV's
and
  access the data.  Honestly I don't see any reason why I wouldn't be able
to
  install Oracle on this server and open up a read-only database on the
BCV's.
  Except for maybe the fact that my employer practically chokes when
Oracle
  quotes pricing.
 
  We are running HP/UX.  If you want more specific info, email me directly
and
  I'll be glad to answer questions.
 
  Have a great day...
 
  Lisa Rutland Koivu
  Oracle Database Administrator

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RE: Re[2]: Couple of questions

2001-03-22 Thread Tim Sawmiller

I'd even give latitude to someone who might not know everything, but who has a basic 
understanding and will logically and carefully research a problem as opposed to 
hacking away at it until he/she figures it out.



 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/22/01 12:13PM 
Gosh I keep mine hush-hush.  It is at the very bottom of my resume...  Yes I
have it but so what?  I didn't claim to know a whole lot about backup and
recovery until a couple of months ago when I actually had resources and time
to PRACTICE.  

Yes, Gene, you read it right... Lisa don't know JACK!

And now I have to learn SA stuff.  YUCK  Lots of good that OCP does me with
that...


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Someone coming into where I work with only their OCP as their claim to fame
will
most likely not get an interview whereas someone with a number of years
Oracle
experience will.  We were pretty badly burned in the recent past by someone
who
had their OCP as their sole claim to fame.  This particular individual
tried,
but failed, to lord that certificate over everyone else.  He lasted a year 
two
years later we're still picking up the mess.  Now an individual with
experience
and OCP, that's a horse of a different color.

Dick Goulet

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Author: "Rahul Dandekar" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:   3/22/2001 8:01 AM

 Also for those who have Oracle certification how much database experience 
 (Oracle in particular) did you have before you obtained certification?
 What do you recommend for experience before attempting certification?

OCP and Good Oracle DBA are not one of the same things. There might
be people who are both.
But...
OCP does not necessarily mean Good DBA
Good DBA, without any exam oriented preparation would not pass OCP
so easily.

I have heard that ILT notes and STS tests are simplest things to become
"Paper OCP" even if you donot have Oracle expertise!

I am persuing OCP, Just because after completing it I can commandingly
say that OCP is NOT a great achievement.

-Rahul


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Re: DBA Job at a Chocolate Factory

2001-03-21 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Well, I spent four days at Rudolph Foods in Lima, Ohio, where they make pork rinds.  
You could smell the stuff everywhere, and the floors were permanently slippery because 
of the grease buildup, even though they were mopped twice a day.  Gross...




 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/21/01 11:06AM 
Seven years ago I was offered an Oracle DBA job at a chocolate factory and
turned it down. (Please don't tell Rachel, she already thinks I'm crazy.) I
had two simultaneous offers for the same salary and took the one closer to
home. While on the interview they gave me the full tour of the factory
starting with the bags of cocoa beans on the docks. The smell was
intoxicating and even wafted into the office area where I would have worked.
They had unlimited stashes of chocolate in every cubicle. I asked the
employees if they ever got sick of chocolate and the answer was a resounding
NO. Now my kids will never forgive me for not having taken the job at the
chocolate factory.

This begs the question... Where and what are some of the most interesting
Oracle DBA jobs out there? I heard of one deep underground at a mining
operation in the middle of the Nevada desert. Database is a basic technology
that can be applied to just about any business anywhere. Any interesting
stories? Personal experiences?


Steve Orr

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RE: Easy Doubt in sql/plus

2001-03-21 Thread Tim Sawmiller

or this messy way:

select 
column1 || chr(10)
|| column2 || chr(10)
|| column3 || chr(10
.
|| column99
/

chr(10) is a return command

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/21/01 01:20PM 
With subqueries.

Regards.

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 De:   Eriovaldo do Carmo Andrietta [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
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 Asunto:   Easy Doubt in sql/plus 
 
 Hi Friends :
 
 How can I do for put each column in new line using sql/plus
 
 Example :
 
 Select * from tab;
 
 and the result sould be :
 
 'value of column1'
 'value of column2'
 'value of column3'
 'value of column4'
 'value of column5'
 
 and not
 
 'value of column1' 'value of column2' 'value of column3' 'value of
 column4'
 'value of column5'
 
 Thanks
 
 Eriovaldo
 
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Re: ORA-24371

2001-03-14 Thread Tim Sawmiller

 oerr ora 24371
24371, 0, "data would not fit in current prefetch buffer"
// *Cause:  An internal OCI error has occurred.
// *Action: Please contact Oracle customer support.



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Hi Gang,
One of the developers came to me with this error. There is nothing in the
alert log or no trace files were generated. I'm at a complete loss. He was
executing a query from a front-end API.

This is running on 8.1.6, Solaris 8 on a Sun 450.

TIA,

-Rocky

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Connecting from VAX/VMS to Remote Oracle Data Base

2001-03-14 Thread Tim Sawmiller

My client is trying to connect from an RDB database on a VAX/VMS machine to an Oracle 
database on an HP machine.  Can this be done?  How?

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Re: quotes

2001-03-13 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Careful now...it's the only thing holding my stock position together... :-)

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/13/01 09:27AM 

 Isn't that utterly ridiculous. If you didn't call the 2nd server a "failover" server 
and just manually moved over the filesystems and net address, you wouldn't need a 2nd 
license! But if you automate the process with failover software, you do! The database 
and software are only ever going to be on one server at a time so what's the big deal?

Oracle licensing has gotten so ridiculous that at our shop they've pretty much priced 
themselves out of the picture for all new databases. I suspect my managers aren't the 
only ones looking more seriously at SQL 2000 these days either. I'd look for Oracle to 
lose market share over the next 18 months. Not because SQL is better (it isn't), but 
the price performance ratio is much more acceptable. 

  Dennis Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Just got my oracle quote back. I had asked about backup servers and
failover. To quote the salescritter, "In most cases where an environment
requires a standby failover server, a license will be required..."


Dennis Taylor

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Re: ORA-00922 on create table...

2001-03-08 Thread Tim Sawmiller
(504),
m540VARCHAR2(504),
m541VARCHAR2(504),
m544VARCHAR2(504),
m545VARCHAR2(504),
m546VARCHAR2(504),
m547VARCHAR2(504),
m550VARCHAR2(504),
m555VARCHAR2(504),
m556VARCHAR2(504),
m561VARCHAR2(504),
m562VARCHAR2(504),
m565VARCHAR2(504),
m567VARCHAR2(504),
m570VARCHAR2(504),
m580VARCHAR2(504),
m590VARCHAR2(504),
m599VARCHAR2(504),
m600_expVARCHAR2(1504),
m610VARCHAR2(56),
m611VARCHAR2(56),
m630VARCHAR2(56),
m650VARCHAR2(504),
m651VARCHAR2(56),
m651_expVARCHAR2(56),
m653VARCHAR2(56),
m655VARCHAR2(56),
m690VARCHAR2(104),
m691VARCHAR2(56),
m692VARCHAR2(56),
m693VARCHAR2(56),
m694VARCHAR2(56),
m695VARCHAR2(56),
m700VARCHAR2(1504),
m710VARCHAR2(1504),
m711VARCHAR2(1504),
m730VARCHAR2(104),
m740VARCHAR2(104),
m752VARCHAR2(200),
m760VARCHAR2(104),
m762VARCHAR2(104),
m765VARCHAR2(104),
m767VARCHAR2(104),
m770VARCHAR2(104),
m772VARCHAR2(504),
m775VARCHAR2(200),
m776VARCHAR2(200),
m777VARCHAR2(104),
m780VARCHAR2(104),
m785VARCHAR2(104),
m787VARCHAR2(504),
m800VARCHAR2(504),
m810VARCHAR2(104),
m811VARCHAR2(104),
m830VARCHAR2(104),
m840VARCHAR2(104),
m856VARCHAR2(1504),
m870VARCHAR2(104),
m871VARCHAR2(104),
m872VARCHAR2(104),
m873VARCHAR2(104),
m936VARCHAR2(104),
medium  VARCHAR2(32),
mtype   VARCHAR2(32),
ne3 VARCHAR2(32),
ne4 VARCHAR2(32),
ne5 VARCHAR2(32),
nissVARCHAR2(32),
notes   VARCHAR2(2000),
oclcVARCHAR2(32),
pred_cycle  VARCHAR2(32),
pred_cycle_nm   VARCHAR2(32),
pub VARCHAR2(1504),
ref VARCHAR2(504),
rev_dt  VARCHAR2(32),
rev_uid VARCHAR2(32),
sec_cd  VARCHAR2(32),
series  VARCHAR2(1504),
ser_typeVARCHAR2(32),
subjVARCHAR2(1504),
ti  VARCHAR2(1504),
titles  VARCHAR2(504),
vol_enum_type   VARCHAR2(32),
week_month  VARCHAR2(32),
week_year   VARCHAR2(56),
yearVARCHAR2(32)
)
/
commit;


Where's my error?




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Re: Max Extents Error

2001-03-08 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Check the maxextents value assigned to the table:

select max_extents from dba_tables where table_name = 'your_table_name';

Next, see how many extents the table is actually using:

select count(*) from dba_extents where table_name = 'your_table_name';

I'll bet the numbers are equal.  If so:

Alter your_table_name storage(maxextents 999);

where 999 is equal to a number larger than that obtained in the earlier
scripts._

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/08/01 02:00PM 
Hi,

I have a table which consists of Long Raw column in addition to other columns of 
Number and Varchar2 datatypes.

I have the datafile size set to 2GB. The average length of the messages goes up to 
100M, sometimes more than that.

I have now added three datafiles to that tablespace each greater than the first 
datafile. But I still keep getting the
ORA-01631 Max extents reached for table "A" error.

What do I do resolve this error?

I am using 8K as the DB block size on SOlaris with Oracle 816. It is not a prod 
environment instead a dev environment.

Thanks
Sanjay

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RE: exporting MDSYS schema from an Oracle Apps 11i database?

2001-03-06 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Somewhere in the rdbms stuff (I can't remember where anymore) there should be a script 
to create MDSYS and ORDSYS.  These should be used instead of exp/imp.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/05/01 06:46PM 
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From: Jacques Kilchoer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: lundi, 5. mars 2001 11:51

I know that there is an MDSYS schema (see results of SQL below) but export
says 
 
About to export specified users ... 
EXP-00010: MDSYS is not a valid username 
 

FYI to the list: I found out why the export was unsuccessful. In
"catexp.sql" I see the following condition:
"u$.name not in ('ORDSYS', 'MDSYS', 'CTXSYS', 'ORDPLUGINS')"

Does anyone know if MDSYS is in fact the Oracle 8i Spatial functions user
and/or how I could create that user and its objects in an Oracle 8i database
(said database being created to server as an Oracle Apps 11i repository)?

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RE: [Q] why sequence number jump?

2001-03-06 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Or, just say, "So what"?

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/06/01 03:13PM 
do
ALTER SEQUENCE  xxx nocache;


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We have ORACLE 8.1.6 on UNIX server.  The database has been run 4 years no
sequence number probem.  Recently, user complaint on couple of sequence
nuber jump rapidly.  The sequence number jump may 20, 40 or 100.

I know I can use "alter sequence XXX nocahe" to avoid this problem.  I
want know why it jump?


Thanks.



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Re: Rollback segment

2001-03-05 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Then everybody will use the one that's left.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/02/01 11:45PM 
Hi,

Anyone have idea, how Oracle8i make used of multiple rollback segments to
reduce system contention?
I am currently using 4 rollback segments what will happen if 3 of them are
offline?
 :(

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Re: 2/28/01 - PL/SQL Syntax Request

2001-02-28 Thread Tim Sawmiller

How about:

update table_name set
col5 = decode(string1,string2,'PH',string3 'CZ',).
,col6 = decode(string4,string5,'STA',string6, 'REF',)
,col7 =etc
,col8 =etc

string1 and string4, etc  could be the concatentation of the four determinant columns, 
string 2,3,5,6, etc would be the determining values.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/28/01 11:41AM 
I need help.  I'm sorry if this is a cross-posting for you.

I'd like to see some example PL/SQL code, perhaps a procedure, that will
pass
through each record of a table, test for combinations of column values and
based upon
a specific value (which would be determined by an IF... THEN... matrix), set
a variable.
The value stored in this variable would then be used to update a different
column of the
very same table from which the original record was read.

The matrix:

(IF)   (THEN)
Key A M C  one two three four five

CA  IND   1 1  CZ  STA OFF   BOO  AD
CA  IND   3 1  CZ  STA OFF   REP  AD
CA  IND   1 4  CZ  STA OFF   AV   AD
...
PH  IND   1 1  PH  STA OFF   BOO  PO
PH  OUT   1 1  PH  REF NULL  RBO  PO
...
...


The data table IN (before processing):

Col1 Col2 Col3 Col4  Col5 Col6 Col7 Col8
Col9

CA   IND  31
CA   IND  31
PH   IND  11
CA   IND  14
PH   OUT  11
CA   IND  31
...
...

The data table OUT (after processing):

Col1 Col2 Col3 Col4  Col5 Col6 Col7 Col8
Col9

CA   IND  31 CZ   STA  OFF  REP
AD
CA   IND  31 CZ   STA  OFF  REP
AD
PH   IND  11 PH   STA  OFF  BOO
PO
CA   IND  14 CZ   STA  OFF  AV
AD
PH   OUT  11 PH   REF  NULL RBO
PO
CA   IND  31 CZ   STA  OFF  REP
AD
...
...


I'm looking for the PL/SQL code syntax to perform a task such as this.

Wow.  That was a mouthful.  Good discipline.

Any and all help will be appreciated.


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Re: confused about # of extents per segment performance issue

2001-02-27 Thread Tim Sawmiller

This really depends on the type of access.  If it's random using indexes, the extents 
don't matter much.  If you do a lot of full table scans, and the extents are scattered 
all over, there may be a performance degradation.  YMMV as always.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/27/01 01:06PM 

Apparently, it's a widely held myth that a large # of extents (let's
say "BETWEEN 5 AND 1000") per table segment is bad for performance. Yet
the same sources who label the belief mistaken persist in pushing for
fitting all of a table in the INITIAL extent.

And that confuses the heck out of me.

What gives?

Is it that fetching a new extent on the fly, the act of obtaining a new
extent, creates too much overhead? And finis, no more concern beyond
this?

If you approached a database for the first time and it already
contained a segment with 500 extents, would that segment's number of
extents not be a performance concern unless you expected it to continue
grabbing new extents? Let's say it would never have a new insert,
update, or delete. Would there be any performance value in crushing the
segment down to fit in one extent?

What's the definitive answer on this?

I remain confused about coalescing as well; anyone know of a good
whitepaper or article on coalescing/fragmentation for Oracle 8 and
beyond?


Thanks.

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Re: What is limit on Search Condition in DBA_CONSTRAINTS table

2001-02-23 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Try "set long 2000".


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/23/01 09:01AM 
One of our developers is wondering why they can't
see all of their check constraint options when they
query from DBA_CONSTRAINTS, USER_CONSTRAINTS,
ALL_CONSTRAINTS.  The Search Condition column only
shows about 60 characters, no matter what you set your
output string to in SQL*Plus.

How can we see the rest of the Search Condition?
Is there an underlying table that this view is based on?

Cherie Machler
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Re: Designer Error Message - What's wrong?

2001-02-21 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Where are you importing from, a previous version of designer?  It sounds like the 
export did not include an application/container that is referenced by an object in the 
stuff you exported.  Check the source apps/containers for the MASTER entity and see if 
there are references to/from it from other apps/containers.



 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/21/01 10:27AM 
Hi Gurus !

I have an empty workarea and I want to import into it, but is always says the 
following error:

Message
---
CDR-01062: Compilation leaves Entity MASTER orphaned. Need to include container

Cause
-
Compilation of the workarea would
leave the specified checked out or
non-versioned object without its
context container.


Action
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The workarea specification should be
altered to include an appropriate version
of the context container into the compiled
workarea.



What should I do? There's no entity called MASTER in the dump file to export.


Thanks in advance.

Gyula

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RE: metalink

2001-02-21 Thread Tim Sawmiller

Actually it runs on a bunch of Commodore 64s.   :-)

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/21/01 09:45AM 
does anybody know what exactly MetaBlink runs on?

last I heard it was clustered 6500's with 6 G of RAM.

I actually called client relations to let me know, and
they have not returned the call. 

Sun is good stuff, but the site has been truly flakey for
a major corporation's flagship support center. shrug

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I was trying to use MetaLink yesterday morning (east coast USA)  was
getting an
authorization error.  I called OTS customer service who verified they were
having a problem.  Wonder if some duhveleper got a fat finger in the wrong
place.

Dick Goulet

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Hi all,
  Is anyone else having problems with metalink today or is it just my
network?

Sincerely,
Kevin Kostyszyn
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