a small
number of database people. this means less pure oracle jobs.
From: DENNIS WILLIAMS
Date: 2003/12/18 Thu PM 02:59:26 EST
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
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Ryan - Excellent points. I well know the feeling of being tied to Oracle's
future
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Viktor, Ryan - Is what you are experiencing the result of companies moving
to open-systems Web-based architectures?
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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t ORACLE-L Subject: RE: RE: Career Advice Ryan - Excellent points. I well know the feeling of being tied to Oracle's future. As to Oracle pricing itself out of the market, I would like tomake three points: - Pricing is one of the quickest things a vendor can change once it becomes convinced this
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go to www.bruceeckel.com and read his java book.
do a search on any job sites. a ton more work for java than oracle. people
who can do both are in demand.
From: Mladen Gogala Date: 2003/12/17 Wed PM 01:49:25 EST
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: Re: Career
The question is where do you want to go today?
Actually, the question is, Where do you want to go tomorrow?
Consult the crystal ball when it comes to career planning. Fixing VCR's
may match one's skill set but such service won't be needed much when
robots can stamp out new R/W DVD's for $10 a
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Viktor wrote:
Let's take this topic into a more concrete scenario. New boss, company
reorg, cross-training is enforced and now DBA'S's are going to be split
into development groups. Need to learn Perl(looking forward to it
actually!!!) and Java. Books, web sites, docs -
DENNIS WILLIAMS scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
Saira
I think you have to decide what your goal is. Then you need to
decide how to best accomplish that goal. One tool that can lead you
toward a goal is self-study. I have used that tool many times myself.
However, with
.
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Date: 2003/12/18 Thu PM 01:44:37 EST
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Subject: RE: Career Advice
DENNIS WILLIAMS scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
Saira
I think you have to decide what your goal
to switch since people want experience in the
specific skillset before hiring you.
From: Thater, William [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2003/12/18 Thu PM 01:44:37 EST
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DENNIS WILLIAMS scribbled on the wall
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Ryan - Excellent points. I well know the feeling of being tied to Oracle's
future. As to Oracle pricing itself out of the market, I would like to make
three points:
- Pricing is one of the quickest
, that's what you
need to keep doing.
Now that I've been in the field for 25+ years, the best career advice I can
give is to stay on top of current trends and be willing to gain competencies
as various technologies wax and ditch areas - even of strength - as they
wane. The other piece of advice I can
ly a small number of database people. this means less pure oracle jobs. From: DENNIS WILLIAMS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 2003/12/18 Thu PM 02:59:26 EST To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: RE: Career Advice Ryan - Excellent points. I well know the
have only a small number of database people. this means less pure oracle jobs. From: DENNIS WILLIAMS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 2003/12/18 Thu PM 02:59:26 EST To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: RE: Career Advice Ryan - Excellent points. I well know the
As an applications analyst/junior dba, I feel I need to learn more but
I'm not sure of the direction I should take, so I'm asking for advice.
Should I become interested in Oracle Apps? Or should I learn another
suite like SAP or Siebel or PeopleSoft? The difficulty is that my
company does not use
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As an applications analyst/junior dba, I feel I need to learn more but
I'm not sure of the direction I should take, so I'm asking for advice.
Should I become interested in Oracle Apps? Or should I learn another
suite
Have you ever considered a career in country music? Try getting Stand By your man
just right and the rest will come. You have to learn both kinds of music, country
and western. May Jake and Elwood be with you.
On 12/17/2003 12:44:28 PM, Saira Somani-Mendelin wrote:
As an applications
Subject: Re: Career Advice
Your enthusiasm is admirable, but I think that it would
be extremely
difficult
for you to learn any of these packages without actually being
in
an environment where they are used.
It
may be that Tecsys is a complex set of apps on the same level
as
SAP or Oracle Apps
Hi Somani,
This is, of course, just one opinion. YMMV. I would recommend that you
go deep enough on the Oracle server until you would be willing to take
the junior off your title. The reason for this recommendation is that
the server is an intricate piece of software that rewards study and
Wow... as talented and knowledgeable as you are, you are one really
bored DBA. You must work alone, or be self-employed.
Or maybe you are trying to tell me to read between the lines...
In any case, I won't get into a silly argument with you.
Thanks for your advice,
Saira
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Mladen Gogala scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
Have you ever considered a career in country music? Try getting
Stand By your man just right and the rest will come. You have to
learn both kinds of music, country and western. May Jake and Elwood
be with you.
son, that there was
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Date: 2003/12/17 Wed PM 01:49:25 EST
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Have you ever considered a career in country music? Try getting Stand By your man
just right and the rest will come. You have to learn both kinds of music, country
Hi Allan,
Please call me Saira :)
All you are saying is true. I find that in my present role, I don't have
access to the applications source code so I have to look at the database
for performance tuning (which should be the case anyway to start).
On the other hand, I'm the only one at this job
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Your enthusiasm is admirable, but I think that it
would be extremely
difficult for you
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Your enthusiasm is admirable,
but I think that it would be extremely difficult for you to learn any of these packages without actually
, no?
Thanks,
Saira
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That right, packaged software like
SAP and PeopleSoftware should
(cool
stuff)
and I made oracle database just one among my skills. I'm quickly honing skills of a
standup
comedian, too. Please, do not misunderestimate me.
My career advice to you is: do whatever sells.
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There is no set formula now. But learning a fair amount of SQL, Oracle
Database and Unix Administration can do you no wrong.
IN my experience the companies or people that hire you because of
big names on your resume are NOT the ones you want to work for.
IT administration work has become more
Message-From: Saira Somani-Mendelin
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Is it that difficult
though? Just to get familiar with it if youve worked with other similar
software
That is an excellent guideline.
I find myself as somewhere in the middle of those two spectrums, a
little more towards the second one.
My personal belief is that languages can be learnt - like Java or any
other code - if you possess the skills. I can read and understand 4GL
code without ever
My career advice to you is: do whatever sells.
Even if it is wearing a sandwich board that says, Hot Large Pizza Now
$5.00
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Large pizza for $5 Where?
On 12/17/2003 03:14:43 PM, Odland, Brad wrote:
My career advice to you is: do whatever sells.
Even if it is wearing a sandwich board that says, Hot Large Pizza Now
$5.00
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that do the work. Interview them to
find what skills and experiences are required and how you would acquire
those skills and experiences. Ask what their career path was as an example.
Many career advice books describe how to secure and conduct informational
interviews. In a way, that is what you
/17/2003 03:14:43 PM, Odland, Brad wrote:
My career advice to you is: do whatever sells.
Even if it is wearing a sandwich board that says, Hot Large Pizza Now
$5.00
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Little Caesars. $5 CDN (Seriously).
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Mladen Gogala
Sent: December 17, 2003 3:29 PM
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Large pizza for $5 Where?
On 12/17/2003 03:14:43 PM, Odland, Brad wrote:
My career advice to you is: do whatever sells.
Even
)
and I made oracle database just one among my skills. I'm quickly honing
skills of a standup
comedian, too. Please, do not misunderestimate me.
My career advice to you is: do whatever sells.
--
Mladen Gogala
Oracle DBA
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, carry-out only.
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Large pizza for $5 Where?
On 12/17/2003 03:14:43 PM, Odland, Brad wrote:
My career advice to you is: do whatever sells.
Even if it is wearing
On 12/17/2003 03:44:34 PM, Saira Somani-Mendelin wrote:
Well, good, now that we have that cleared up. Don't get me wrong, I do
like your keen sense of humour and sarcasm - when I know you're joking
and at times its hard to tell.
Dennis has a point. The question is where do you want to go
]
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Brad
Sent: December 17, 2003 3:14 PM
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If you
need specifics for a home learning environment setting up Oracle 8.1.7.4 on a Gentoo
linux box at home is a great learning exersize
, carry-out only.
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Large pizza for $5 Where?
On 12/17/2003 03:14:43 PM, Odland, Brad wrote:
My career advice to you is: do whatever sells.
Even if it is wearing
to or hires people that do the work. Interview them
to
find what skills and experiences are required and how you would acquire
those skills and experiences. Ask what their career path was as an
example.
Many career advice books describe how to secure and conduct
informational
interviews. In a way
: Career Advice
Have you ever considered a career in country music? Try getting Stand By your man
just right and the rest will come. You have to learn both kinds of music, country
and western. May Jake and Elwood be with you.
On 12/17/2003 12:44:28 PM, Saira Somani-Mendelin wrote
Wednesday, December 17, 2003, 4:24:50 PM, Bobak, Mark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
BM I'm work in Ann Arbor, the place I'm refering to is in Belleville, which is
between Detroit
BM and AA.
Hey, I know Belleville, sort of. Back when I as a kid, my
dad used to deliver potato chips to some Belleville
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Let's take this topic into a more concrete scenario. New boss, company reorg, cross-training is enforced and now DBA'S's are going to be split
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Perl: Since you're working with Oracle, if you were to buy only one book, you might
consider:
http
.
do a search on any job sites. a ton more work for java than oracle. people
who can do both are in demand.
From: Mladen Gogala Date: 2003/12/17 Wed PM 01:49:25 EST
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Subject: Re: Career Advice
Have you ever considered a career in country music
ok. do a search on any job sites. a ton more work for java than oracle. peoplewho can do both are in demand. From: Mladen Gogala Date: 2003/12/17 Wed PM 01:49:25 EST To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Career Advice Have you ever considered a career in country music? Try
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