: Duhvelopers and DB-ehs?
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 02:05:45 -0800
My philosophy is, if it was hard to write, it should be hard to read :0)
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NOOO!
You comment your code so other
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Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 09:40:38 -0800
Yea, I've got the 'running the unix shell script' part down...did you see
the mails someone sent re: utl_smtp??
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 02:55:26 -0800
Bloody Hell, we have half that amount of systems yet only two DBAs.
What on earth do they do with the rest of their time.
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Really!!
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I am in charge of 273 databases at sites
Thanks for that Chrisopher, I'll certainly have a nosey...
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Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 00:35:22 -0800
;-) I have to agree with the 'doing things once' approach...grin
Could you
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Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 00:35:22 -0800
;-) I have to agree with the 'doing things once' approach...grin
Could you possibly supply some info on the shell script you use to produce
the mails? I would be v. much obliged.
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Title: RE: Duhvelopers and DB-ehs?
Ok, so right about the time Oracle 6 went
production (we were a beta site), I was thelead DBA for a very large
project that put retail store systems in around 1000 locations around the
country (USA). Each one of those locations had their own Oracle database
. That
way, when I go back to it in 3 months, I can remember what the heck I was
doing with it and why.
Rachel
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Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 07:15:50
with it and why.
Rachel
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Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 07:15:50 -0800
Rachel,
Thanks a million for that...I'll take the timeout at some point to pour
On Tuesday 04 September 2001 08:42, Rachel Carmichael wrote:
And I always try to write plain vanilla code, and comment it heavily. That
way, when I go back to it in 3 months, I can remember what the heck I was
doing with it and why.
Geez Rachel, what fun is that?
Few things are as
, when I go back to it in 3 months, I can remember what the heck I was
doing with it and why.
Rachel
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Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 07:15:50
That happens whenever I code slightly intoxicated. Code
does tend to work when I do that but damn if I can figure
out why.
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On Tuesday 04 September 2001 08:42, Rachel Carmichael wrote:
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Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 08:05:23 -0800
NOOO!
You comment your code so other people can read it. You rebel you!
=)
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Kevin,
No problem, I
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On Tuesday 04 September 2001 08:42, Rachel Carmichael wrote:
And I always try to write plain vanilla code, and comment it heavily.
That
way, when I go back to it in 3 months, I can remember what the heck
Rachel Carmichael wrote:
I would if there had ever been other people around to read it :)
since for most of my career as a dba I was the only one, I needed to
be able to read it.
Rachel
one of my favorite quotes:
it was hard to code, it should be hard to understand.;-)
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Bill
I think this is appropriate and related to current discussion ...
How to Write Unmaintenable code ... http://mindprod.com/unmain.html very
funny stuff ...
Raj
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Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 07:15:50 -0800
Rachel,
Thanks a million for that...I'll take the timeout at some point to pour
over
it and determine what it's doing...but it looks relatively straight
forward
, September 04, 2001 2:21 PM
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I would if there had ever been other people around to read it :)
since for most of my career as a dba I was the only one, I needed to be able
to read it.
Rachel
From: April
-- page us, email us, send daily status of
the world reports... works!
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 05:47:12 -0800
Database monitoring
http://www.calanais.com
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:20:26 -0800
I am in charge of 273 databases at sites throughout the world
Hi Don, and well done for taking the step back towards a normal
life...(whatever the heck that is!)...
LOL
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we have homegrown shell scripts -- page us, email us, send daily status of
the world reports... works!
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Use UTL_SMTP
http://technet.oracle.com/doc/oracle8i_816/server.816/a76936/utl_smtp.ht
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OOooh, that's something I want to be able to do is to send email to us
in case of
scripts -- page us, email us, send daily status of=
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he world reports... works!
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Database monitoring toolsthrrp! We wrote our own using Java and lots
of SQL are shell scripts...patchy but it works ;-)
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 05:47:12 -0800
Database monitoring toolsthrrp! We wrote our own using Java and lots
of SQL are shell scripts...patchy but it works ;-)
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Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 01:40:35 -0800
OOooh, that's something I want to be able to do is to send email to us
in case of problems...I can send email from OraForms using
use mail or mailx to send it.
you can use pipes to call unix shell programs though
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Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 01:40:35 -0800
OOooh
in a single shell script.
I tend to like doing things once :)
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Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 09:40:38 -0800
Yea, I've got the 'running
okay, I'm in awe here.
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 17:26:24 -0800
RE: Duhvelopers and DB-ehs?OK. I've resisted the temptation so far
A modern day classic!
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I am in charge of 273 databases at sites throughout the world, some of
them
in places with no electricity where we have an elephant on a
LOL...with 31 systems to support 24/7/365 if you threw a stone in any
direction you would hit a DBA. At the last count I believe we had 12...!!
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Hi,
I did both (they probably keep switching me from assignment to
assignment in order to minimize the damage I could possibly inflict ;).
What am I ? Ah Duh-B-eh ?
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Bloody Hell, we have half that amount of systems yet only two DBAs. What on
earth do they do with the rest of their time.
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LOL...with 31 systems to support 24/7/365 if you threw a stone in any
LOL - very good.
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Hi,
I did both (they probably keep switching me from assignment to
assignment in order to minimize the damage I could possibly inflict ;).
What am I ? Ah Duh-B-eh ?
LOL...I work for a utility company so their systems are just *ultra*
important...it's an environment where liquidated damages because of missed
daily deadlines run to the £m's so we are VERY aware of the need to have our
dbs up and running, and effeciently... There are alot of changes made due to
LOL..
I've never yet ventured to the truely dark side...still a DEVeloper, well
technical analyst (thrrp! whatever that means), so I have to understand (or
at least try) a lot of the background processing that goes on within a DB...
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 00:40:19 -0800
LOL...with 31 systems to support 24/7/365 if you threw a stone in any
direction you would hit a DBA. At the last count I believe we had 12...!!
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and DB-ehs?
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 02:55:26 -0800
Bloody Hell, we have half that amount of systems yet only two DBAs. What on
earth do they do with the rest of their time.
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LOL...with 31 systems
a possible
career change again for me.
Rachel
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LOL...with 31 systems to support 24/7/365 if you
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you mean you let your DBAs do DBA work Where do I apply? :)
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I've never yet ventured to the truely dark side...still a DEVeloper...
Kevin,
I am your father...it's your destiny.
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CAPTAIN BILKO!!!
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QUESTION: How do you distinguish the extrovert duhveloper geek from
the introvert duhveloper geek?
ANSWER: The extrovert duhveloper geek looks at YOUR shoes when he's
talking to you.
(My VP of Engineering told me this joke while looking at my shoes. ;-)
Happy Friday,
LOLyou give them shoes?
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Thirty one systems and twelve DBAs?
My god, we should have 51 Dbas here!!
Wait till I talk to management.
;)
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LOLyou give them shoes?
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We do
about the same number with 6 DBAs...
(not
that that means sh*t without talking about the nature of the systems, of
course)
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those includes aren't necessary :)
see? we SAID you weren't a DUHveloper!
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#include
we have homegrown shell scripts -- page us, email us, send daily status of
the world reports... works!
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don't have any of those high-falutin' database monitoring
tools either :)
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Bloody Hell, we
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Database monitoring toolsthrrp! We wrote our own using Java and lots of
SQL are shell scripts...patchy but it works ;-)
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Technical
Title: RE: Duhvelopers and DB-ehs?
Yeah,
well, in a previous life I was in charge of 27 databases on 9 servers ALL BY
MYSELF. Didn't have anybody working with me, man. Zilch.
Nada.
And,
of course, I'm not going to talk about the nature of the systems 'cause then it
wouldn't sound so
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-And, of course, I'm not going to talk about the nature of the
systems 'cause then it wouldn't sound so impressive
FoxPro???
Dave
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LOL...with 31 systems to support 24/7/365 if you threw a stone in any
direction you would hit a DBA. At the last count I believe we
had 12...!!
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Kevin Thomas
Technical
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 04:20:43 -0800
LOL...I work for a utility company so their systems are just *ultra*
important...it's an environment where liquidated damages because of missed
daily
Title: OT: RE: Duhvelopers and DB-ehs?
I am in charge of 273 databases at sites throughout the world, some of them
in places with no electricity where we have an elephant on a treadmill
supplying power. I personally had to once step in for the elephant when he
was feeling under the weather
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HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!!!
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After reading Jacques's plight I think I'll forward this email to 100 of my
friends and ask them to forward it to 100 of their friends. If they don't
forward this email in 24 hours, they will experience a system table space
corruption and DB will crash. On the other hand, if they forward this
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AMEN! This is G R E A T!!
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roflmao! thank you for a great start to the weekend!
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I am in charge of 273 databases
been to a place (Oracle install) where all power was shutdown each night
at midnight in the entire building. talk about having a short backup
window ...
also, I wonder - if a mouse, hamster or other rodent (LOTS of them)
wouldn't be more efficient for producing power. See, with a rodent, the
Title: RE: Duhvelopers and DB-ehs?
OK. I've resisted the temptation so far, but
(puffing out chest)...
In onejob in my distant past, at a turnkey
software/systems shop,four(initially two) of us used to administer
about half a dozen in house Oracle servers and remotely administer
about2-3
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