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On Thursday 01 August 2002 09:45, Fink, Dan wrote:
Case in point, many databases with
few dbas. Logging in each morning to each database and checking status and
metrics is very inefficient. By the time all the databases are checked, the
day is over. This leaves no time to diagnose and repair
If I may add one more...
* upgrades (database, OS, monitoring tool) are virtually painless.
Except for a few path changes and/or a few query changes for v$ or DBA_ tables.
Good luck upgrading OEM in place on the same machine AND maintinaining all your
scheduled jobs without interruption.
Hey Jared,
When the book is coming out, I am waiting with my credit card on hand ...
Raj
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Any opinion expressed here is personal and doesn't reflect that
Jared,
I agree with your advantages. I am a big believer in the last point.
If you don't know how stuff works, you are helpless in the absence of the
tool (I'm dealing with this frustration right now...not me, but someone else
who can't live without a certain tool). I am a big believer in
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Jared,
I agree with your advantages. I am a big believer in the
last point.
If you don't know how stuff works, you are helpless in the absence
Dan,
you as someone who figures out how things work? Nah :)
I'm STILL trying to understand the deep detail you went into on the
undo segments.
Okay my two cents on this. Tools are great IF you know their
limitations. And the only way to know the limitations is to know how to
do it manually.
Hi
That's true. You should at least have the option to use (usable;) GUI tools.
Just yesterday, I had a developer (who usually works with SQL Server) asking
me
wether he always has to mess around with this client thing ... *what client
thing ?*.
Actually, he meant the tnsnames.ora. After a
The right way to start working with Oracle is GUI, which hides some
complexity of DB. Then usage should smoothly include/move to nice
user-friendly command-line user interface, which allows greater
flexibility, speed, control... whatever pluses there are.
But the point is that OCP's supposed to
I disagree with you guys.
I am using the Database Configuration Assistance and Dbastudio a lot and had
no problem with them.
As for the tnsnames you can use name server or do as we do and start
checking out the OID for central repository of databases.
The GUI tools are a little :-) on the heavy
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I disagree with you guys.
I am using the Database Configuration Assistance and Dbastudio a lot and had
no problem with them
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I disagree with you guys.
I am using the Database Configuration Assistance and Dbastudio a lot and had
no problem with them.
As for the tnsnames you can
As with any tool, they are very valuable when properly used and when you
know the limitations. The key is that you are able to function without them,
though perhaps not as effeciently. Case in point, many databases with few
dbas. Logging in each morning to each database and checking status and
for the validity of the statements and comments
given above.
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What? You mean you didn't instantly bring up Net8 Assistant and show that SQL Server
clown what a REAL GUI TOOL works like?
Kevin Kennedy
First Point Energy Corporation
If you take RAC out of Oracle you get OLE! What can this mean?
Ducking and running for cover just as quick as I can 8-)
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I disagree with you guys.
I am using the Database Configuration Assistance and Dbastudio a lot and had
no problem with them.
As for the tnsnames you can use name server or do as we do and start
checking out the OID for central repository
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Right. He was too embarrassed.
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You guys are too funny. For real - so last year.
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Unfortunately, we have no choice but to use the java-infested, half-baked
ruinStaller.
Don't even get me started about the DataBase Cremation Assistant!
Don Granaman
[OraSaurus]
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You're on target there. Don't start. It's not just a job it's an adventure.
I must say that I used the DBCA twice. After cleaning up the mess it made the first time, I just had it create the scripts for me. After
Unfortunately, MS SQL Server's GUI tools are better in that it is actually
useful and it works. How come? Most of my younger peers prefer to use SQL
Server (never mind it's shortcomings) simply because it's more GUI than
Oracle - hence easier
Oracle is losing the future here by
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Funny, I just heard a seasoned Oracle consultant say
that the 9i exams were considerably more difficult
than the 8i exams.
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...hardcore DBAs might never use GUI tools.
I fit that category. :)
What about the OUI? Don't you use that? :)
Dan.
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Oracle's politic is to make us using GUI tools. This is reflected in
OCP
exams, so I can conclude that for newbies exams become easier while
hardcore
DBAs might never use GUI tools.
Alexandre
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Oracle's politic is to make us using GUI tools. This
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GUI tools are simply a front-end presentation layer for SQL commands. GUI
tools do not bypass the SQL
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GUI tools are simply a front-end presentation layer for SQL commands. GUI
tools do not bypass the SQL command-line layer
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I'd like to add another free gui thats kind of neat, DataBee DBATool utility.
You can find it at http://www.databee.com
-Rich
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I fit that category. :)
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Ha! I use to bang rocks together in sea water so that the sand could be used to make the first silicon chip 1,000,000 years later.
Of course that was in my younger days..
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Funny, I just heard a seasoned Oracle consultant say
that the 9i exams were considerably more difficult
than the 8i exams.
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I have just completed my Oracle 8i OCP DBA using
only ten years of
experience and the Sybex books (thoroughly
every time I've gone to www.oracle.com and clicked oracle
university lately, it hangs my browser (IE6).
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Hmm. Good point. Anyone know how we can verify that if you take the 8i exams and
pass you
can just do the upgrade exam without the
: Guys: Is this worth $1,749 for 8 year Oracle veteran
DBA
Hmm. Good point. Anyone know how we can
verify that if you take the 8i exams and pass you can just do the upgrade exam
without the additional course? Is there a time when 8i exams will not be
offered any more or any other time
Title: Guys: Is this worth $1,749 for 8 year Oracle veteran DBA
Guys,
I have been working hard on Oracle systems at various levels - various platforms, etc. for 8 years. It has been a long time since I have taken a course. Would like to go to IOUG. Reading e-mails I have made up my mind - I
the Oracle Press OCP review books are really good as
well. My advise would be save the money and go through the books yourself.
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Paula - I'm skeptical whether a boot camp could cover all the material
involved in the OCP tests. I could see where you might come out tuned up
enough to whip out a couple of tests, but once you got past them, you'd
probably have to do the other tests the hard way -- study for them. I would
rate
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Guys,
I have been working hard on Oracle systems at various levels - various
platforms, etc. for 8 years. It has been a long time since I have taken a
course
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