RE: EMC BCV Splits and Hot Backup mode.

2001-09-24 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
Glenn, My understanding is that you need to account for the time it takes to start and complete the BCV split. The only way to do this is to put the tablespace in hot backup mode so that you can recover the tablespace when you bring the database up on the copied system. If you do not do this,

RE: EMC BCV Splits and Hot Backup mode.

2001-09-24 Thread Koivu, Lisa
Title: RE: EMC BCV Splits and Hot Backup mode. Hi Glenn, Are your arclogs redologs on the bcv? Think of it in the same manner as a hot backup - what if there was a large data load going at the time of the split. There's no guarantee as to what data changes will make it on what mirror

Re: EMC BCV Splits and Hot Backup mode.

2001-09-24 Thread Don Granaman
If you lose one side of a mirrored pair, the instance doesn't notice - it just continues to process against the survivor(s). On the other hand, if you need to restore a backup (BCV, split mirror or otherwise), you need to be able to roll it forward to a consistent state. Consider a BCV split as

RE: EMC BCV Splits and Hot Backup mode.

2001-09-24 Thread lembark
Question: Why is it necessary to put the database in 'hot backup' mode when splitting a BCV? If it is just like splitting a mirror, why do you need the database in hot backup mode at all? Wouldn't it be the same as losing one side of a mirrored pair? When that happens, no extra

RE: EMC BCV Splits and Hot Backup mode.

2001-09-24 Thread Xin \Michael\ Wu
Glenn: If you put all the disks including your database files in one device group, you do not have to put your source database in backup mode. Otherwise, yes, you have to. In the first case, when you try to startup your database, Oracle will do an 'instacne recover'. I configured both scenaries

RE: EMC BCV Splits and Hot Backup mode.

2001-09-24 Thread Glenn Travis
Well, yeah. But why is it inconsistent? Please provide details. As you are with EMC, do you have any papers which discuss at that level? (not the process steps, I have those. but why?) I know that if only the datafiles are mirrored, then yes, you must use hot backup as the redo changes

RE: EMC BCV Splits and Hot Backup mode.

2001-09-24 Thread Sakthi , Raj
Glenn , even though everything are mirrored , splitting is not instantaneous. When track or block level splitting ( I don't know EMC uses which one. I know Hitachi uses track level splitting ) takes place what happens to the committed transaction which is being flushed to that very same track or

RE: EMC BCV Splits and Hot Backup mode.

2001-09-24 Thread Glenn Travis
Yes! That did it. Now that I know splits are not instantaneous (atomic), it is perfectly clear why you need 'hot backup' mode (to capture the complete oracle blocks). Thanks everyone! -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 6:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of list