Regrettably I find most of what is in the letter as "marketing hype". If I were
using Informix or DB2 right now, I'd be scared as hell. There is no telling
what will get dropped from which product, what will merge where & what the
migration costs are. There is also a very good chance that it may take a
significant amount of time for the dust to settle and consequently a significant
amount of code re-work that will have to be done and re-done. Not a very bright
near term future, I'd say.
Dick Goulet
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Author: "Behar; Rivaldi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 5/4/2001 12:50 PM
Where is Ellison ?
What does he react on IBM Informix reaction .....
Rivaldi
Oracle DBA
>
> Subject: IBM acquisition of Informix - competitor reaction
>
> Dear Informix Customer,
>
> You may have noticed some frenzied activity from Oracle recently,
> reacting to the IBM decision to acquire Informix. Oracle clearly is
> acting out of desperation when it tries to panic Informix customers in
> an effort to encourage them to move to the Oracle platform. As we're
> sure you are aware, the information that Oracle is publishing is grossly
> misleading. It has the sole purpose of creating an atmosphere of doubt
> and uncertainty in the minds of satisfied Informix users, where no such
> uncertainty should exist.
>
> We would like to take this opportunity to reassure you that Informix
> users have absolutely no reason to be concerned about continued support,
> or the quality of that support. Unfortunately, this is one of the areas
> where Oracle is acting unprofessionally and is trying to generate
> confusion. IBM has publicly stated its commitment to maintain and update
> Informix's database products for the foreseeable future. We intend to
> keep our word.
>
> Other areas where Oracle is seeking to generate confusion are equally
> lacking in merit and deserve clarification:
>
> * Claims of superior technology are simply unsupportable -- and
> most analysts will readily agree.
>
> * Oracle products are known for their limited scalability - single
> instances of over 1 terabyte are very rare in the Oracle customer base,
> and again the analysts will support this.
>
> * There are countless examples of customers who are managing
> Informix and IBM DB2 databases with significantly less resources than
> Oracle users. This makes nonsense of Oracle's claims that they have
> easier management or lower cost of ownership advantages.
>
> * Oracle has taken tremendous criticism from their users about
> their power unit pricing. In contrast, both IBM and Informix have
> simpler and lower pricing, and are proven in independent studies to
> deliver lower total cost of ownership than Oracle.
>
>
> We have always believed that Informix and IBM offer our customers superb
> products. Individually our technologies are unquestionably superior to
> Oracle's. Collectively, the combination of product and services
> strengths provided by our two companies is outstanding. Together we are
> proud to offer innovative and powerful solutions that can provide
> unparalleled benefits to our users -- while leaving Oracle and its
> misleading and exaggerated claims in the dust.
>
> As Janet Perna said at the time of the announcement of the acquisition,
> "IBM and Informix are impressive as separate entities, but by joining
> forces we can truly make database history. Together, we have the ability
> to set the information infrastructure standard for the next generation."
>
>
> You can be confident that the decision you made to stay with Informix
> and IBM is one you will be proud of for years to come.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Janet Perna, General Manager, Data Management Solutions, IBM Corporation
>
> Jim Foy, President, Informix Software
>
>
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4) NEWS: Clouds Over Oracle
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Oracle's executive vice president of North American
sales, George Roberts, said at a technology conference in
San Francisco recently that the sales outlook for Oracle
remained cloudy. With the scheduled release of Oracle9i -
- the latest database version -- in May, Roberts was
optimistic that Oracle's revenues should get a boost.
But analysts have recently raised concerns that Oracle is
losing its hold on the database market, particularly to
IBM.
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Where is Ellison ?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>What does he react on IBM Informix reaction .....</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Rivaldi </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Oracle DBA</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Subject: IBM acquisition of Informix - competitor
reaction</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Dear Informix Customer,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> You may have noticed some frenzied activity from Oracle
recently,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> reacting to the IBM decision to acquire Informix. Oracle
clearly is</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> acting out of desperation when it tries to panic Informix
customers in</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> an effort to encourage them to move to the Oracle
platform. As we're</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> sure you are aware, the information that Oracle is
publishing is grossly</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> misleading. It has the sole purpose of creating an
atmosphere of doubt</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> and uncertainty in the minds of satisfied Informix users,
where no such</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> uncertainty should exist. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> We would like to take this opportunity to reassure you
that Informix</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> users have absolutely no reason to be concerned about
continued support,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> or the quality of that support. Unfortunately, this is one
of the areas</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> where Oracle is acting unprofessionally and is trying to
generate</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> confusion. IBM has publicly stated its commitment to
maintain and update</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Informix's database products for the foreseeable future.
We intend to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> keep our word.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Other areas where Oracle is seeking to generate confusion
are equally</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> lacking in merit and deserve clarification: </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> * Claims of superior technology are simply unsupportable
-- and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> most analysts will readily agree. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> * Oracle products are known for their limited scalability
- single</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> instances of over 1 terabyte are very rare in the Oracle
customer base,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> and again the analysts will support this. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> * There are countless examples of customers who are
managing</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Informix and IBM DB2 databases with significantly less
resources than</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Oracle users. This makes nonsense of Oracle's claims that
they have</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> easier management or lower cost of ownership
advantages. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> * Oracle has taken tremendous criticism from their users
about</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> their power unit pricing. In contrast, both IBM and
Informix have</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> simpler and lower pricing, and are proven in independent
studies to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> deliver lower total cost of ownership than Oracle. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> We have always believed that Informix and IBM offer our
customers superb</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> products. Individually our technologies are unquestionably
superior to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Oracle's. Collectively, the combination of product and
services</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> strengths provided by our two companies is outstanding.
Together we are</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> proud to offer innovative and powerful solutions that can
provide</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> unparalleled benefits to our users -- while leaving Oracle
and its</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> misleading and exaggerated claims in the dust.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> As Janet Perna said at the time of the announcement of the
acquisition,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> "IBM and Informix are impressive as separate
entities, but by joining</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> forces we can truly make database history. Together, we
have the ability</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> to set the information infrastructure standard for the
next generation."</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> You can be confident that the decision you made to stay
with Informix</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> and IBM is one you will be proud of for years to
come.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Kind regards</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Janet Perna, General Manager, Data Management Solutions,
IBM Corporation</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Jim Foy, President, Informix Software</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Mohan, Ross [<A
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>4) NEWS: Clouds Over Oracle</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Oracle's executive vice president of North American </FONT>
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-</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>- the latest database version -- in May, Roberts was </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>optimistic that Oracle's revenues should get a boost.</FONT>
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</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>losing its hold on the database market, particularly to </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>IBM.</FONT>
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