At the end, I created a public FB group. I'm not going to publicize it here, as I don't know if it would be well perceived. If you are interested just drop me an email (lorenzo.luci...@gmail.com) or a msg on FB (you can find me as "Lorenzo Lucioni" and freely ask FB "friendship" without worries). And if you are going to join, feel free to share with your own friends or commuinities.
I really (really) don't know if it will be helpful to anyone, if it will be participated or not, if it is going to grow, or simply abandoned. People and contents will decide. It could easily be there was/is no any needs for that, I really don't know and I don't expect anything. Just... let's see. Happy Sunday to everybody, Lorenzo On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 at 07:37, Papirfoldning.dk <h...@papirfoldning.dk> wrote: > On 8 Jan 2023, at 01.15, Lorenzo via Origami < > origami@lists.digitalorigami.com> wrote: > > So, I turn the question in: Why there are not so many discussions ongoing > in this list? Is it just because of lack of topics, or maybe because other > media replaced this list? > > When the oLlist was created, the digital world was much smaller, and the > IT-savvy origamists likely a smaller group, and hence knit-together. Even > in the years I've seen, the participants have changed. The current ones > still make discussions, it's just not your old "oh, I know that person". > > Anne, how old is the oList, and how many subscribers does it have today? > > Today, the SoMe world is fragmented. Lorenzo mentions Facebook which has > already hundreds, if not thousands, of origami groups - even in Danish > there is a handful - so which ones to follow? Instagram, YouTube, Quora, > mailing lists (I'm a member of at least 5 different origami lists), forums, > ... nobody is everywhere. I know many people who do not bother to use > Facebook, many for principled reasons, so you will never reach them there. > > When I communicate and coordinate, people propose WhatsApp (I don't have > it), sms (texting, including images), Facebook private messages (aka > messenger), a dedicated forum (who's to administrate it? It's even more > cumbersome that being a mailing list admin), Facebook groups (same > question), SnapChat (I don't use it), and likely more in different parts of > the world. > > That is likely the one advantage of mail: If you have a digital presence > at all, you have an email address and can read the mails sent to you. If > using anything but the oList with its stringent rules (bordering > frightening for any but the dedicated few), you can also include pictures. > And writing text and including images in emails are way easier in emails > than in Facebook (see, people have different preferences, as Lorenzo states > the opposite). > > The hope of getting a common place for specialised origami discussions is > in vain. XKCD captures the idea perfectly for standards: > https://m.xkcd.com/927/. > > Lorenzo has strong points about why a mailing list is not good for his > purposes, even if in the end it boils down to personal preferences and > personal connectedness. > > Lorenzo's example of the isbn number of this blurred book image, fits > perfectly into the ephemeral nature of Facebook. Someone is likely to idly > browse through the messages and to have an answer, and it is easy to ignore > messages you are not interested in. > > This ephemeral nature is also the weak point of Facebook (ignoring the > problem of many people not having an account or not using it): one week > later (not to say one year later) it is like impossible to find the answer, > the isbn number again. Yes, you can access, but not search, archives - > slowly and cumbersome, beyond the past month even your personal postings > are practically impossible to find. You would have to ask again, and hope > somebody answers this time as well. > > All that is if you can even remember where you got the answer. There is no > way to search across sms, mail, facebook, messenger, whatsapp, instagram, > forums, blogs, and more. > > To sum up: There is a plethora of options for asking questions and > discuss. There is no way all those you know, will see it in any one > channel. Nothing precludes you from asking the question on the oList or an > arbitrary facebook group. If you get an answer, you just try the same place > again, if not, try another place. > > Regards, > Hans > > -- Lorenzo Lucioni Duesseldorf - DE lorenzo.luci...@gmail.com
