On 29jan14, Rosemary Browne wrote about this model and commented on my input RE the book that I have that includes a diagram for this model. I just want to clarify that it *is* in this book by Maying Soong, but the author does not claim to have designed the model. In fact the entire book appears to be showcasing models that are considered Traditional in Chinese culture. ----- "The Question" about what is a traditional model comes up now & then. I use this rule: If I have knowledge that it has been around for more than 100 years and don't know of any claimed author/designer, then I consider it Traditional. If someone else calls it Traditional, then I usually do, too, if I have no knowledge to the contrary. On the other hand, if I don't know how long it's been around, and don't know who designed it, I usually say "Designer is Unknown" until I get input to the contrary. I believe the David Lister White Papers on the BOS site also discuss this to some degree. There may be a different view there. ..... Chila ---------------------------------------------------------------- Chilagami - I think, therefore I fold; I fold, therefore I am Folding for Fun in the Mojave Desert Southern California, USA www.origamichila.blogspot.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------