orion-list Re: orion V2002 #17

2002-05-06 Thread John Lupia

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Victor Horovitz  wrote:
Excuse me for being blunt, but your assertion is
ridiculous. The semitic word for sun is $VmV$. It is
shared by all semitic languages (Heb $eme$, Akkadian
$am$su, Ugaritic $p$, Arabic sams, etc). The Akkadian
nominal form would be $am$u with the nominative
ending. The form $ama$ is the absolute form used in
personal names, so $ama$ is simply the way one
adresses the sun (Mr. Sun). THe word for the heavenly
luminary precedes its deification, and does not derive
from it.  


Dear Victor:

The fact that the name $ama$ could mean Mr. Sun
presupposes that it could also have meant Lord Sun
ranking him among the nobility, in a monarchial
structure, where, perhaps, $ama$ was its king.  We
cannot rule out a form of pagan idolatry where a
deceased king is honored and considered the rising sun
in the eternal life.  In this case then the origin of
the name does not precludes that it was involved in
its very origin as a religio-mythic cult of a
primogenetor king who eternally lives and reigns and
who can give us enlightenment.  Judaism seems to have
broken off from this cultic sun-worship and imputed to
the one-uncreated-God the faculties and personality of
$ama$ and established monotheism as an outgrowth and a
response to this.

Victor Horovitz  wrote:
Although the sun may have been adored in Israelite
religion, biblical or post biblical, as has been
asserted by many scholars (see, for example Morton
Smith's article on Helios in Palestine in the Orlinsky
Volume of Eretz Israel, or Hadley? articles and
books), your argument is simply wrong, backward, and
irrelevant.

I agree that the Israeli sun worshipping would be
irrelevant since it would have been post Sumerian
period which first gave evidence to this phenomenon. 
Conseuently, Judaism would have been a development as
an outgrowth from Sumerian culture, which appears to
have lapsed back into its former Sumerian form from
time to time.

Victor Horovitz  wrote:
As for adoring the rising sun, in particular, I might
refer you to the famous Sun Disk inscription of
Nebobaladan (King, Babylonian Boundary Stones no. 36)
which tells that the statue of $ama$ was lost, and
until it was miraculously rediscovered, it was
substituted for by a niphu.  Now, niphu designates a
sundisk model, round and decorated with a four pointed
star with wavy lines characteristic of $ama$ between
each arm of the star. If you look at a picture of the
tablet you will see such a niphu. What is relevant to
your suggestion about this, is that the Akkadian verb
napahu, from which niphu is derived, means to break
out in flames, and also sun rise, so if we may learn
anything from this it may be that the accepted
non-anthropormorphic symbol of the Babylonian Sun God
$ama$ was a model of the rising sun.
Victor

Yes, Victor, $ama$ would have been associated with the
sun and time, hence he would be considered as
father-time or the eternal one, or, perhaps
called, Lord Sun-Rise.  It is from this origin that
it appears that Judaism was born.  Substituting or
replacing Ehad the One the eternal and uncreated
God, who is the source of all creation, with $ama$,
forms the new monotheistic religion of Judaism.  The
first Jews had adored the sun but as the Father who
could enlighten us and give revelations.  He could
speak through prophets, kings, priests, and reveal
himself to the human family.  The disolvement between
monolitheistic cult worship with the sun and without
it seems to have drifted in and out suggesting priests
from different schools existed and that the high
priests were selected shifting between these different
schools from time to time.

Best regards,
John


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Re: orion-list Re: orion V2002 #17

2002-05-06 Thread avigdor horovitz

Dear John,
I find your comments as off base as the original suggestion I commented
on, and inall due respect for your imagination I respectfully dismiss it
out of hand.
Please note that the sumerian sungod was named UTU, the Sumerian word for
sun. May I suggest that you do some reading on the development of
Mesopotamian religion. Start with Jacobsen, Treasures of Darkness.
Victor
And now I will go all the way down to the bottom of this letter to let teh
trailor loose. It's a long way down!



On Mon, 6 May 2002, John Lupia wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Victor Horovitz  wrote:
 Excuse me for being blunt, but your assertion is
 ridiculous. The semitic word for sun is $VmV$. It is
 shared by all semitic languages (Heb $eme$, Akkadian
 $am$su, Ugaritic $p$, Arabic sams, etc). The Akkadian
 nominal form would be $am$u with the nominative
 ending. The form $ama$ is the absolute form used in
 personal names, so $ama$ is simply the way one
 adresses the sun (Mr. Sun). THe word for the heavenly
 luminary precedes its deification, and does not derive
 from it.  
 
 
 Dear Victor:
 
 The fact that the name $ama$ could mean Mr. Sun
 presupposes that it could also have meant Lord Sun
 ranking him among the nobility, in a monarchial
 structure, where, perhaps, $ama$ was its king.  We
 cannot rule out a form of pagan idolatry where a
 deceased king is honored and considered the rising sun
 in the eternal life.  In this case then the origin of
 the name does not precludes that it was involved in
 its very origin as a religio-mythic cult of a
 primogenetor king who eternally lives and reigns and
 who can give us enlightenment.  Judaism seems to have
 broken off from this cultic sun-worship and imputed to
 the one-uncreated-God the faculties and personality of
 $ama$ and established monotheism as an outgrowth and a
 response to this.
 
 Victor Horovitz  wrote:
 Although the sun may have been adored in Israelite
 religion, biblical or post biblical, as has been
 asserted by many scholars (see, for example Morton
 Smith's article on Helios in Palestine in the Orlinsky
 Volume of Eretz Israel, or Hadley? articles and
 books), your argument is simply wrong, backward, and
 irrelevant.
 
 I agree that the Israeli sun worshipping would be
 irrelevant since it would have been post Sumerian
 period which first gave evidence to this phenomenon. 
 Conseuently, Judaism would have been a development as
 an outgrowth from Sumerian culture, which appears to
 have lapsed back into its former Sumerian form from
 time to time.
 
 Victor Horovitz  wrote:
 As for adoring the rising sun, in particular, I might
 refer you to the famous Sun Disk inscription of
 Nebobaladan (King, Babylonian Boundary Stones no. 36)
 which tells that the statue of $ama$ was lost, and
 until it was miraculously rediscovered, it was
 substituted for by a niphu.  Now, niphu designates a
 sundisk model, round and decorated with a four pointed
 star with wavy lines characteristic of $ama$ between
 each arm of the star. If you look at a picture of the
 tablet you will see such a niphu. What is relevant to
 your suggestion about this, is that the Akkadian verb
 napahu, from which niphu is derived, means to break
 out in flames, and also sun rise, so if we may learn
 anything from this it may be that the accepted
 non-anthropormorphic symbol of the Babylonian Sun God
 $ama$ was a model of the rising sun.
 Victor
 
 Yes, Victor, $ama$ would have been associated with the
 sun and time, hence he would be considered as
 father-time or the eternal one, or, perhaps
 called, Lord Sun-Rise.  It is from this origin that
 it appears that Judaism was born.  Substituting or
 replacing Ehad the One the eternal and uncreated
 God, who is the source of all creation, with $ama$,
 forms the new monotheistic religion of Judaism.  The
 first Jews had adored the sun but as the Father who
 could enlighten us and give revelations.  He could
 speak through prophets, kings, priests, and reveal
 himself to the human family.  The disolvement between
 monolitheistic cult worship with the sun and without
 it seems to have drifted in and out suggesting priests
 from different schools existed and that the high
 priests were selected shifting between these different
 schools from time to time.
 
 Best regards,
 John
 
 
 =
 John N. Lupia
 501 North Avenue B-1
 Elizabeth, New Jersey 07208-1731

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Re: orion-list Re: orion V2002 #17

2002-05-06 Thread Walter Mattfeld

I have found the recent exchanges about Israelite Sun worship to be most
interesting, having done some research on this topic.

There are verses in the Hebrew Bible that metaphorically seem to identify
Yahweh-Elohim with the Sun. Malachi metaphorically identifies God with a
winged Sun disc whose wings are associated with healing (recalling the
Egyptian winged Sun disc). In Deuteronomy, God is spoken of as DAWNING from
Seir, a term which suggests Sun worship. The temple at Jerusalem faced the
East and the Sun-rise. The Cherubim, identified with winged sphinxes found
in Canaanite art forms of the Late Bronze Age in Phoenicia, Syria, and
Canaan (Megiddo) are understood to be reinterpretations of Egyptian winged
Sphinxes. The Egyptian Sphinx was associated with Solar worship,
particularly the rising Sun at morning, being called Hor-em-akhet (Horus in
the Horizon). The great sphinx of Giza which guards the Pyramids, faces the
east and the rising sun, of which he is an aspect. The Egyptians also
portrayed the Sun (called at times Horus or Re) as being born each morning
as a bull-calf, the son of Hathor the cow goddess who personified the sky.
In the Egyptian temples of the Sinai, Serabit el Khadim and Timna, Hathor
images were found as well as votives, amongst which were sphinxes.

Although I am in agreement with Critical scholarship that the Exodus as
portrayed in the Bible is fiction, I do embrace the notion that behind all
myths lie historical kernels and my research is directed at identifying
these archaeologically attested kernels. Egypt ruled Canaan from 1560-1140
BCE and it is not to be ruled out that Egyptian forms of Solar worship
penetrated the Canaanite religious mindset and were adapted and assimilated
to the worship of Yahweh.

Sooo, it is my understanding that the tree of life, the cherubim which guard
it, the temple's facing east, the ark of the covenant and its mercy seat,
calf worship, are all echoes of Egyptian solar worship (allowing a fusion
with similar motifs in Mesopotamian and Syrian motifs which also exist, for
example, the Sun and Moon being associated with a calf ).

I have noted that the Bible suggests in its chronologies preserved in Judges
and Samuel, and Exodus occurring in the reign of Pharaoh Ahmose I, who
expelled the Hyksos. The archaeological evidence though, shows that Israel's
settlement of the Hill country is Early Iron I.  For me, the biblical
narrator has projected Israel's Iron Age settlement into the 18th dynasty
and associated it with the Hyksos expulsion.

The big concern for all in studies of the Hebrew Bible is WHERE is the
archaeological evidence in the Sinai, Negev and Arabah for the Exodus ?

My research suggests that events at Timna, occuring in the Late Bronze/Early
Iron I phase are being recalled and transformed into Moses and the
Israelites at Mount Sinai. Timna is a Ramesside creation, and the Exodus
begins at Ramesses in Egypt according to the Bible.

I thus understand that the Exodus is a fusion and conflation of events
attested archaeologically, extending in time from Early Bronze II to Late
Iron II (7th/6th centuries BCE).

Those with an interest in this subject can access my research at the
following urls-

Exodus Memories of Southern Sinai
(Linking the Archaeological Data to the Biblical Narratives)
http://www.bibleorigins.net/ExodusTimnaSerabitelKhadim.html

Is Mount Horeb (Mt. Sinai) Jebel `Arribeh by St. Catherine's or Mount Timna`
?
http://www.bibleorigins.net/MountHoreb.html

Dating the Exodus, The Hyksos Expulsion of 1540 BCE ?
http://www.bibleorigins.net/Exodus1540BCHyksos.html

Dating the Exodus
(And Other Associated Problems)
http://www.bibleorigins.net/ExodusProblems.html

The Exodus Traditions (Their pre-biblical backgrounds)
http://www.bibleorigins.net/Hebrewhabiruslaves.html

Cherubim, The Pre-Biblical Origins of
(And The Mercy Seat Atop the Ark of the Covenant)
http://www.bibleorigins.net/CherubimOrigins.html

All the best, Walter

Walter Reinhold Warttig Mattfeld
Walldorf by Heidelberg
Baden-Wurttemburg, Germany
www.bibleorigins.net

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 Victor Horovitz  wrote:
 Excuse me for being blunt, but your assertion is
 ridiculous. The semitic word for sun is $VmV$. It is
 shared by all semitic languages (Heb $eme$, Akkadian
 $am$su, Ugaritic $p$, Arabic sams, etc). The Akkadian
 nominal form would be $am$u with the nominative
 ending. The form $ama$ is the absolute form used in
 personal names, so $ama$ is simply the way one
 adresses the sun (Mr. Sun). THe word for the heavenly
 luminary precedes its deification, and does not derive
 from it.


 Dear Victor:

 The fact that the name $ama$ could mean Mr. Sun
 presupposes that it could also have meant Lord Sun
 ranking him among the nobility, in a monarchial
 structure, where, perhaps, $ama$ was its king.  We
 

orion-list Two Priestly Factions - Enoch/Hanoch vs. ?

2002-05-06 Thread George Brooks


On 13 April 2002, David Suter made some interesting
comments about Boccaccini's Sources of Rabbinic Judaism.

This particular publication identifies the opposition between Zadokite
and Enochic Judaism as an intrapriestly dispute representing the
aftermath
of the push for power of the sons of Zadok back in the early Restoration
period, pushing aside the Davidic line to establish the high priesthood
and the high priestly theocracy (this is the origin of the high priestly
office, he argues I think correctly, since prior to the exile the king
had
been the chief official in charge of the cultus)There is reason on
the
part of the royal and non-Zadokite priests to object, since, if I follow
his analysis correctly, the Zadokites cooperated with the Babylonians
during the exile and are therefore perceived to have betrayed the nation.
...While I don't necessarily agree with Boccaccini's dating in every
case, the advantage that I see to the argument is that it traces the
fragmentation of Second Temple Judaism to a dispute within the
priesthood in the Persian and early Hellenistic periods
[END OF QUOTE]

I found these comments more than enough encouragement to
look at where the intra-priestly factions might actually be best
seen in the O.T.

And I have to wonder if Jeremiah isn't the most obvious place!

We read:
Jer 35:16   Because the sons of Jonadab the son of Rechab have
performed the commandment of their father, which he commanded
them; but his people hath not hearkened unto me

Jer 35:18   And Jeremiah said unto the house of the Rechabites, Thus
saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Because ye have obeyed
the commandment of Jonadab your father, and kept all his precepts,
and done according unto all that he hath commanded you:  

Jer 35:19   Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel;
Jonadab the son of Rechab shall not want a man to stand before me
for ever.  
[END OF TEXT]


I believe most will agree that the phrase stand before me is a 
standard phrase meaing, perform priestly duties before me.
And so what we have here is a fairly explicit reference to a 
Rechabite priesthood, standing before the God of Israel.

This text is usually just passed over.  But there really isn't
a more dramatic indication of a RIVAL priesthood than this.
Some have suggested that Jeremiah himself was of Rechabite
extraction.  And I am sympathetic to these views.

But who were these Rechabites?  Do we see any other clues that
would suggest that the Rechabites were part  parcel of the
Yahwist community?  In fact, there are so many clues it makes
one wonder whether the identity of the Rechabites was intentionally
hidden? or in fact made quite easy to trace.

Conventionally speaking, the Rechabites are descended from
the Midianites who are, in turn, descended from the Kenites.

Does this offer us a clue?  

One possible clue is the identity of Enoch/Hanoch.

Strong's has the following:

02585 Chanowk {khan-oke'}  
from 02596;
AV - Enoch 9, Hanoch 5, Henoch 2; 16
n pr m
Enoch = dedicated
1) eldest son of Cain
2) son of Jared and father of Methuselah whom God
took home to heaven without dying
n pr loc
3) the city which Cain built and named after his
son Enoch
n pr m
Hanoch = dedicated
4) a son of Midian, the third child
5) the eldest son of Reuben
[END OF DEFINITION]


And here we see the following:
a) phonetic linkage between Khan of Hanoch and Ken
of Kenites -  with Cain being the first born of Adam;
b) the first born of Cain;
c) the name of the city Hanoch/Enoch;
d) a son of Midian, with the Kenite connection to Midian;
and finally...
e) the first born of Reuben.


There's an awful lot of first born aspect to this Enoch/Hanoch.
And this leads one to wonder more about the Reuben connection.
Reuben was the first born of Jacob/Israel.  And yet we know practically
nothing about this tribe.  We know that it had the first position in
front
of the ark.  And that it settled the first territory of the Transjordan
Moab region.

Certainly by the time of Meshe of Moab, there doesn't appear to
be a trace of Reuben left.  What has happened to this entire tribe?
Could it in fact be just another name for a tribe of Rechob?

Interestingly, the Hebrew word for Reubenite is phonetically not
that distant from Rechob-im:

07206 Reh'uwbeniy {reh-oob-ay-nee'}  
patronymic from 07205;; adj
AV - Reubenite 17, Reuben 1; 18
Reubenite = see Reuben behold a son
1) a descendant of Reuben the son of Jacob
[END OF DEFINITION]


And in the story of Exodus we hear Moses successfully
persuading the Midianites to lead his people into the lands
they are familiar with.  This would put the Midianites into the
first position.  Wouldn't this be ahead of Reuben?  Or was
it, in fact, Reuben that they came to represent.

I know that all of this is very speculative.  But the inescapable
nugget in this discussion is that Jeremiah says that there will
ALWAYS be a Rechabite priest serving the Lord of Israel.

These are incredibly 

Re: orion-list Re: orion V2002 #17

2002-05-06 Thread avigdor horovitz

Let me add one more comment to this comment. There are plenty of Sumerian
gods with EN or NIN (Lord/Lady) as the first component in their names. UTU
is not one of them.
Victor



On Tue, 7 May 2002, avigdor horovitz wrote:

 Dear John,
 I find your comments as off base as the original suggestion I commented
 on, and inall due respect for your imagination I respectfully dismiss it
 out of hand.
 Please note that the sumerian sungod was named UTU, the Sumerian word for
 sun. May I suggest that you do some reading on the development of
 Mesopotamian religion. Start with Jacobsen, Treasures of Darkness.
 Victor
 And now I will go all the way down to the bottom of this letter to let teh
 trailor loose. It's a long way down!
 
 
 
 On Mon, 6 May 2002, John Lupia wrote:
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  Victor Horovitz  wrote:
  Excuse me for being blunt, but your assertion is
  ridiculous. The semitic word for sun is $VmV$. It is
  shared by all semitic languages (Heb $eme$, Akkadian
  $am$su, Ugaritic $p$, Arabic sams, etc). The Akkadian
  nominal form would be $am$u with the nominative
  ending. The form $ama$ is the absolute form used in
  personal names, so $ama$ is simply the way one
  adresses the sun (Mr. Sun). THe word for the heavenly
  luminary precedes its deification, and does not derive
  from it.  
  
  
  Dear Victor:
  
  The fact that the name $ama$ could mean Mr. Sun
  presupposes that it could also have meant Lord Sun
  ranking him among the nobility, in a monarchial
  structure, where, perhaps, $ama$ was its king.  We
  cannot rule out a form of pagan idolatry where a
  deceased king is honored and considered the rising sun
  in the eternal life.  In this case then the origin of
  the name does not precludes that it was involved in
  its very origin as a religio-mythic cult of a
  primogenetor king who eternally lives and reigns and
  who can give us enlightenment.  Judaism seems to have
  broken off from this cultic sun-worship and imputed to
  the one-uncreated-God the faculties and personality of
  $ama$ and established monotheism as an outgrowth and a
  response to this.
  
  Victor Horovitz  wrote:
  Although the sun may have been adored in Israelite
  religion, biblical or post biblical, as has been
  asserted by many scholars (see, for example Morton
  Smith's article on Helios in Palestine in the Orlinsky
  Volume of Eretz Israel, or Hadley? articles and
  books), your argument is simply wrong, backward, and
  irrelevant.
  
  I agree that the Israeli sun worshipping would be
  irrelevant since it would have been post Sumerian
  period which first gave evidence to this phenomenon. 
  Conseuently, Judaism would have been a development as
  an outgrowth from Sumerian culture, which appears to
  have lapsed back into its former Sumerian form from
  time to time.
  
  Victor Horovitz  wrote:
  As for adoring the rising sun, in particular, I might
  refer you to the famous Sun Disk inscription of
  Nebobaladan (King, Babylonian Boundary Stones no. 36)
  which tells that the statue of $ama$ was lost, and
  until it was miraculously rediscovered, it was
  substituted for by a niphu.  Now, niphu designates a
  sundisk model, round and decorated with a four pointed
  star with wavy lines characteristic of $ama$ between
  each arm of the star. If you look at a picture of the
  tablet you will see such a niphu. What is relevant to
  your suggestion about this, is that the Akkadian verb
  napahu, from which niphu is derived, means to break
  out in flames, and also sun rise, so if we may learn
  anything from this it may be that the accepted
  non-anthropormorphic symbol of the Babylonian Sun God
  $ama$ was a model of the rising sun.
  Victor
  
  Yes, Victor, $ama$ would have been associated with the
  sun and time, hence he would be considered as
  father-time or the eternal one, or, perhaps
  called, Lord Sun-Rise.  It is from this origin that
  it appears that Judaism was born.  Substituting or
  replacing Ehad the One the eternal and uncreated
  God, who is the source of all creation, with $ama$,
  forms the new monotheistic religion of Judaism.  The
  first Jews had adored the sun but as the Father who
  could enlighten us and give revelations.  He could
  speak through prophets, kings, priests, and reveal
  himself to the human family.  The disolvement between
  monolitheistic cult worship with the sun and without
  it seems to have drifted in and out suggesting priests
  from different schools existed and that the high
  priests were selected shifting between these different
  schools from time to time.
  
  Best regards,
  John
  
  
  =
  John N. Lupia
  501 North Avenue B-1
  Elizabeth, New Jersey 07208-1731
 
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Re: orion-list Two Priestly Factions - Enoch/Hanoch vs. ?

2002-05-06 Thread avigdor horovitz

Dear George,
I certainly can't get involved in all these issues, yet I must comment on
one of your points below. You say that the first city was named Hanoch. In
fact, William Hallo, in his JCS article on Antediluvian Cities has
suggested that  the first city was Irad, and that this is a reflection of
Mesopotamian tradition which regarded Eridu as the first city. Hallo
understands wayyiqra $em ha`ir ke$em beno Hanok as meaning he named the
city after the name of Hanok's son (the waw is like the waw in wehayto
eretz in Gen 1:24). So later sources, anticipating your interpretation,may
have indeed understood the first city to have been named Hanok, but this
may not be the plain meaning of the biblical text.
 Victor



On Mon, 6 May 2002, George Brooks wrote:

 
 On 13 April 2002, David Suter made some interesting
 comments about Boccaccini's Sources of Rabbinic Judaism.
 
 This particular publication identifies the opposition between Zadokite
 and Enochic Judaism as an intrapriestly dispute representing the
 aftermath
 of the push for power of the sons of Zadok back in the early Restoration
 period, pushing aside the Davidic line to establish the high priesthood
 and the high priestly theocracy (this is the origin of the high priestly
 office, he argues I think correctly, since prior to the exile the king
 had
 been the chief official in charge of the cultus)There is reason on
 the
 part of the royal and non-Zadokite priests to object, since, if I follow
 his analysis correctly, the Zadokites cooperated with the Babylonians
 during the exile and are therefore perceived to have betrayed the nation.
 ...While I don't necessarily agree with Boccaccini's dating in every
 case, the advantage that I see to the argument is that it traces the
 fragmentation of Second Temple Judaism to a dispute within the
 priesthood in the Persian and early Hellenistic periods
 [END OF QUOTE]
 
 I found these comments more than enough encouragement to
 look at where the intra-priestly factions might actually be best
 seen in the O.T.
 
 And I have to wonder if Jeremiah isn't the most obvious place!
 
 We read:
 Jer 35:16   Because the sons of Jonadab the son of Rechab have
 performed the commandment of their father, which he commanded
 them; but his people hath not hearkened unto me
 
 Jer 35:18   And Jeremiah said unto the house of the Rechabites, Thus
 saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Because ye have obeyed
 the commandment of Jonadab your father, and kept all his precepts,
 and done according unto all that he hath commanded you:  
 
 Jer 35:19   Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel;
 Jonadab the son of Rechab shall not want a man to stand before me
 for ever.  
 [END OF TEXT]
 
 
 I believe most will agree that the phrase stand before me is a 
 standard phrase meaing, perform priestly duties before me.
 And so what we have here is a fairly explicit reference to a 
 Rechabite priesthood, standing before the God of Israel.
 
 This text is usually just passed over.  But there really isn't
 a more dramatic indication of a RIVAL priesthood than this.
 Some have suggested that Jeremiah himself was of Rechabite
 extraction.  And I am sympathetic to these views.
 
 But who were these Rechabites?  Do we see any other clues that
 would suggest that the Rechabites were part  parcel of the
 Yahwist community?  In fact, there are so many clues it makes
 one wonder whether the identity of the Rechabites was intentionally
 hidden? or in fact made quite easy to trace.
 
 Conventionally speaking, the Rechabites are descended from
 the Midianites who are, in turn, descended from the Kenites.
 
 Does this offer us a clue?  
 
 One possible clue is the identity of Enoch/Hanoch.
 
 Strong's has the following:
 
 02585 Chanowk {khan-oke'}  
 from 02596;
 AV - Enoch 9, Hanoch 5, Henoch 2; 16
 n pr m
 Enoch = dedicated
 1) eldest son of Cain
 2) son of Jared and father of Methuselah whom God
 took home to heaven without dying
 n pr loc
 3) the city which Cain built and named after his
 son Enoch
 n pr m
 Hanoch = dedicated
 4) a son of Midian, the third child
 5) the eldest son of Reuben
 [END OF DEFINITION]
 
 
 And here we see the following:
 a) phonetic linkage between Khan of Hanoch and Ken
 of Kenites -  with Cain being the first born of Adam;
 b) the first born of Cain;
 c) the name of the city Hanoch/Enoch;
 d) a son of Midian, with the Kenite connection to Midian;
 and finally...
 e) the first born of Reuben.
 
 
 There's an awful lot of first born aspect to this Enoch/Hanoch.
 And this leads one to wonder more about the Reuben connection.
 Reuben was the first born of Jacob/Israel.  And yet we know practically
 nothing about this tribe.  We know that it had the first position in
 front
 of the ark.  And that it settled the first territory of the Transjordan
 Moab region.
 
 Certainly by the time of Meshe of Moab, there doesn't appear to
 be a trace of Reuben left.  What has happened to