RE: orion-list Philo's text _De specialibus legibus_ (on line)

2002-06-12 Thread Suter, David

One short correction:  the Greek text of _De specialibus legibus_ is availible in an 
electronic version (but not online) on the TLG CD-ROM.  The CD is, however, pricey, 
and requires a separate program in order to read it.

David Suter
Saint Martin's College
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RE: orion-list Jeremiah's Eternal Priesthood, the Rechabim

2002-05-29 Thread Suter, David



 -Original Message-
 From: Geoff Hudson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 11:37 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: orion-list Jeremiah's Eternal Priesthood, the Rechabim
 
 
 On page 999 of JBJ, note 22, Eisenman writes: 'followed 
 by the tradition
 in the Yalkut on Jer.35.12, that the grandsons of the 
 Rechabites served in
 the Temple and their daughters married the sons of the Priests.'
 
 Perhaps someone would comment.
 

Geoff,

Aside from the fact that the Yalkut is quite late, serving in the Temple and marrying 
the daughters of priests does not necessarily make them priests.

Check out the Anchor Bible Dictionary on the Rechabites with regard to the idea that 
they were smiths.  The article makes some interesting connections between the customs 
attributed to the Rechabites and the technological role that smiths would have played 
in the ancient world.

David Suter
Saint Martin's College
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RE: orion-list Boccaccini: Beyond Essene Hypothesis?

2002-03-05 Thread Suter, David

Soren,

Boccaccini's approach is worth discussing, and to my knowledge has not
been worked to death.  The one question might be the appropriate venue
for the discussion.  I'm in the midst of reading his more recent book on
the sources of Rabbinic Judaism and have yet to reach a conclusion about
what the Zadokite/Enochic distinction.  What is interesting to me at the
moment, however, is his methodological parallel in the recent work
between the discussion of the history of philosophy and the discussion
of the history of Judaism.

David Suter
Saint Martin's College

 -Original Message-
 From: Søren Holst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 1:27 PM
 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
 Subject: orion-list Boccaccini: Beyond Essene Hypothesis?
 
 
 I was wondering whether anybody on the list has insights to 
 offer regarding
 Gabriele Boccaccini's book, Beyond the Essene Hypothesis? Apart from
 strictly scroll related issues, the underlying idea of 2nd 
 temple judaism
 containg two main strands describable as Zadokite and Enochic 
 respectively
 sounds intriguing.
 
 (I apologize if the subject has been flogged to death before 
 -- I may have
 missed the discussion for the ironic reason of being in 
 Jerusalem when the
 book came out, and not reading Orion e-mail regularly. And 
 even worse: I
 haven't read the book, as the only copy in Denmark is found 
 at the OTHER
 theology department, opposite end of the country).
 
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RE: orion-list Radiocarbon datings

2001-11-10 Thread Suter, David

Having been involved in raising goats for show, I find it extremely unlikely
that such animals would have ingested pitch or asphalt.  Goats browse, but
on wood products, including tree bark, leaves of shrubs, grass, etc.

David Suter
Saint Martin's College 

-Original Message-
From: David C. Hindley
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Subject: RE: orion-list Radiocarbon datings

Geoff Hudson asks:

Is there any possibility that 'old' carbon was in the food chain of
animals reared in the Dead Sea area, and whose skins were used for the
Scrolls?

From, perhaps, the eating pitch or asphalt that had risen to the
surface of the Dead Sea? I've never heard of sheep or goats doing
this, but it is a distinct possibility.

In the past I have been amazed at the kind of things reindeer eat on
occasion (amanita muscaria mushrooms and urine tainted snow), so
eating pitch, etc., is not impossible. However, I do know that
ingestion of even small amounts of distilled petroleum products,
including naphthalene, can be deadly, so I wonder if this could have
occurred to any great degree.

Another possibility might be petroleum products (naphthalene?) that
were used in the preparation of parchment. The medieval process using
quicklime to remove the hair and soften the hide was known from about
the 4th century, I understand, but it is not certain what was done
prior to this, especially to soften the skins. The process of hide
tanning used by native American Indians included using oil (although
it was an oil of animal origin) to soften the skin, along with salt to
dehair it.

Respectfully,

Dave Hindley
Cleveland, Ohio, USA
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orion-list Re: To The Orion Panel

2001-09-29 Thread Suter, David

Reinaldo,

For a balanced introductory treatment of the scrolls, see James VanderKam,
The Dead Sea Scrolls Today.  For an English translation that will enable you
to draw your own conclusions, try The Dead Sea Scrolls Translated : The
Qumran Texts in English by F. Garcia Martinez.  For bibliographical
information on the Dead Sea Scrolls, check the Orion web site:

http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il/resources/bib/bib.shtml

David Suter
Saint Martin's College
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RE: orion-list Puech on names; pottery neutrons; Esau; rural writing; etc.

2001-05-20 Thread Suter, David

Stephen, 

With regard to scribal practice in villages and small towns, see also The
Documents from the Bar Kokhba Period in the Cave of Letters : Greek Papyri
by Naphtali Lewis.

David Suter

 

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From: Stephen Goranson
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Subject: orion-list Puech on names; pottery neutrons; Esau; rural writing;
etc.

In The Papyrology of the Roman Near East: A Survey, J. of
Roman
Studies 85 (1995) 214-35 (here 235), H.M. Cotton et al. conclude: A
considerable proportion of the documents listed here do not eminate from
cities, but from country districts characterized by villages and small
towns. In other words, Qumran texts need not have come from Jerusalem.
Noted in this article as forthcoming and now in print is Ada Yardeni,
Textbook of Hebrew, Aramaic, and Nabataean Documentary Texts from the
Judaean Desert and Related Materials (Hebrew; non vidi). G. Doudna has
proposed that the dates given by A. Yardeni are too late (up to 130-some
years). Perhaps he could review this book and explain his alternate
daing
proposal.
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RE: orion-list Bedouin or Essene Beads?

2000-12-18 Thread Suter, David



 -Original Message-
 From: Crispin H.T. Fletcher-Louis
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 Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 2:05 AM
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 Subject: orion-list Bedouin or Essene Beads?
 
 
 On the question of the beads in the graves at Kh. Qumran, maybe I have
 missed something in the discussion so far, but should we not consider
 the likelihood of Essene women wearing beaded bracelets? Assuming that
 the site is Essene (as I do) is it not rather unlikely that any female
 members of the Essene movement would wear the beads found in the
 contested graves, given that the Book of Watchers, a text of some
 importance to the movement, ascribes the revelation of the making of
 "bracelets, decorations... precious STONES" and female ornamentation
 generally to the fallen watchers? A similarly negative view of female
 ornamentation is reflected in 4Q184 (though admittedly that text need
 not be read as a condemnation of all jewelry per se).

Crispin,

The problem here are the assumptions upon which your argument rests.  The
assumption that the site is Essene begs the question, since I believe that
is the issue that led to the present discussion of the cemetery; however, I
(and undoubtedly others) are not prepared to cede that Enoch is Essene.  For
me, the key texts antedate the emergence of sectarian movements, although
they may in some way anticipate the emergence of sectarianism.

David Suter
Saint Martin's College
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