RE: orion-list Philo's text _De specialibus legibus_ (on line)
One short correction: the Greek text of _De specialibus legibus_ is availible in an electronic version (but not online) on the TLG CD-ROM. The CD is, however, pricey, and requires a separate program in order to read it. David Suter Saint Martin's College For private reply, e-mail to Suter, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from Orion, e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: unsubscribe Orion. Archives are on the Orion Web site, http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il. (PLEASE REMOVE THIS TRAILOR BEFORE REPLYING TO THE MESSAGE)
RE: orion-list Jeremiah's Eternal Priesthood, the Rechabim
-Original Message- From: Geoff Hudson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 11:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: orion-list Jeremiah's Eternal Priesthood, the Rechabim On page 999 of JBJ, note 22, Eisenman writes: 'followed by the tradition in the Yalkut on Jer.35.12, that the grandsons of the Rechabites served in the Temple and their daughters married the sons of the Priests.' Perhaps someone would comment. Geoff, Aside from the fact that the Yalkut is quite late, serving in the Temple and marrying the daughters of priests does not necessarily make them priests. Check out the Anchor Bible Dictionary on the Rechabites with regard to the idea that they were smiths. The article makes some interesting connections between the customs attributed to the Rechabites and the technological role that smiths would have played in the ancient world. David Suter Saint Martin's College For private reply, e-mail to Suter, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from Orion, e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: unsubscribe Orion. Archives are on the Orion Web site, http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il. (PLEASE REMOVE THIS TRAILOR BEFORE REPLYING TO THE MESSAGE)
RE: orion-list Boccaccini: Beyond Essene Hypothesis?
Soren, Boccaccini's approach is worth discussing, and to my knowledge has not been worked to death. The one question might be the appropriate venue for the discussion. I'm in the midst of reading his more recent book on the sources of Rabbinic Judaism and have yet to reach a conclusion about what the Zadokite/Enochic distinction. What is interesting to me at the moment, however, is his methodological parallel in the recent work between the discussion of the history of philosophy and the discussion of the history of Judaism. David Suter Saint Martin's College -Original Message- From: Søren Holst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 1:27 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: orion-list Boccaccini: Beyond Essene Hypothesis? I was wondering whether anybody on the list has insights to offer regarding Gabriele Boccaccini's book, Beyond the Essene Hypothesis? Apart from strictly scroll related issues, the underlying idea of 2nd temple judaism containg two main strands describable as Zadokite and Enochic respectively sounds intriguing. (I apologize if the subject has been flogged to death before -- I may have missed the discussion for the ironic reason of being in Jerusalem when the book came out, and not reading Orion e-mail regularly. And even worse: I haven't read the book, as the only copy in Denmark is found at the OTHER theology department, opposite end of the country). For private reply, e-mail to Suter, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from Orion, e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: unsubscribe Orion. Archives are on the Orion Web site, http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il. (PLEASE REMOVE THIS TRAILOR BEFORE REPLYING TO THE MESSAGE)
RE: orion-list Radiocarbon datings
Having been involved in raising goats for show, I find it extremely unlikely that such animals would have ingested pitch or asphalt. Goats browse, but on wood products, including tree bark, leaves of shrubs, grass, etc. David Suter Saint Martin's College -Original Message- From: David C. Hindley To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/10/01 8:31 AM Subject: RE: orion-list Radiocarbon datings Geoff Hudson asks: Is there any possibility that 'old' carbon was in the food chain of animals reared in the Dead Sea area, and whose skins were used for the Scrolls? From, perhaps, the eating pitch or asphalt that had risen to the surface of the Dead Sea? I've never heard of sheep or goats doing this, but it is a distinct possibility. In the past I have been amazed at the kind of things reindeer eat on occasion (amanita muscaria mushrooms and urine tainted snow), so eating pitch, etc., is not impossible. However, I do know that ingestion of even small amounts of distilled petroleum products, including naphthalene, can be deadly, so I wonder if this could have occurred to any great degree. Another possibility might be petroleum products (naphthalene?) that were used in the preparation of parchment. The medieval process using quicklime to remove the hair and soften the hide was known from about the 4th century, I understand, but it is not certain what was done prior to this, especially to soften the skins. The process of hide tanning used by native American Indians included using oil (although it was an oil of animal origin) to soften the skin, along with salt to dehair it. Respectfully, Dave Hindley Cleveland, Ohio, USA For private reply, e-mail to Suter, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from Orion, e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: unsubscribe Orion. Archives are on the Orion Web site, http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il. (PLEASE REMOVE THIS TRAILER BEFORE REPLYING TO THE MESSAGE)
orion-list Re: To The Orion Panel
Reinaldo, For a balanced introductory treatment of the scrolls, see James VanderKam, The Dead Sea Scrolls Today. For an English translation that will enable you to draw your own conclusions, try The Dead Sea Scrolls Translated : The Qumran Texts in English by F. Garcia Martinez. For bibliographical information on the Dead Sea Scrolls, check the Orion web site: http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il/resources/bib/bib.shtml David Suter Saint Martin's College For private reply, e-mail to Suter, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from Orion, e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: unsubscribe Orion. Archives are on the Orion Web site, http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il. (PLEASE REMOVE THIS TRAILER BEFORE REPLYING TO THE MESSAGE)
RE: orion-list Puech on names; pottery neutrons; Esau; rural writing; etc.
Stephen, With regard to scribal practice in villages and small towns, see also The Documents from the Bar Kokhba Period in the Cave of Letters : Greek Papyri by Naphtali Lewis. David Suter -Original Message- From: Stephen Goranson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 5/19/01 10:56 PM Subject: orion-list Puech on names; pottery neutrons; Esau; rural writing; etc. In The Papyrology of the Roman Near East: A Survey, J. of Roman Studies 85 (1995) 214-35 (here 235), H.M. Cotton et al. conclude: A considerable proportion of the documents listed here do not eminate from cities, but from country districts characterized by villages and small towns. In other words, Qumran texts need not have come from Jerusalem. Noted in this article as forthcoming and now in print is Ada Yardeni, Textbook of Hebrew, Aramaic, and Nabataean Documentary Texts from the Judaean Desert and Related Materials (Hebrew; non vidi). G. Doudna has proposed that the dates given by A. Yardeni are too late (up to 130-some years). Perhaps he could review this book and explain his alternate daing proposal. For private reply, e-mail to Suter, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from Orion, e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: unsubscribe Orion. Archives are on the Orion Web site, http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il.
RE: orion-list Bedouin or Essene Beads?
-Original Message- From: Crispin H.T. Fletcher-Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 2:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: orion-list Bedouin or Essene Beads? On the question of the beads in the graves at Kh. Qumran, maybe I have missed something in the discussion so far, but should we not consider the likelihood of Essene women wearing beaded bracelets? Assuming that the site is Essene (as I do) is it not rather unlikely that any female members of the Essene movement would wear the beads found in the contested graves, given that the Book of Watchers, a text of some importance to the movement, ascribes the revelation of the making of "bracelets, decorations... precious STONES" and female ornamentation generally to the fallen watchers? A similarly negative view of female ornamentation is reflected in 4Q184 (though admittedly that text need not be read as a condemnation of all jewelry per se). Crispin, The problem here are the assumptions upon which your argument rests. The assumption that the site is Essene begs the question, since I believe that is the issue that led to the present discussion of the cemetery; however, I (and undoubtedly others) are not prepared to cede that Enoch is Essene. For me, the key texts antedate the emergence of sectarian movements, although they may in some way anticipate the emergence of sectarianism. David Suter Saint Martin's College For private reply, e-mail to "Suter, David" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from Orion, e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: "unsubscribe Orion." Archives are on the Orion Web site, http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il.