orion-list Re: To the ORION PANEL: THANKS

2001-10-31 Thread Reinaldo Martinez


To The ORION PANEL VIII

Reinaldo Martinez Wrote:

I want to thank all those who’ve been answering my
queries about Szekely. Most of them were real
enlightenment on my doubts. I appreciate their
patience in the face of my ignorance. I now think that
they are not only extreme Jews who reject everything
smelling Christian nor just fanatic Christians trying
to confirm Crhistianism everywhere. Especial thanks to
Dr. Zeev Roitman from the Shrine of the Book; he
invited me to Orion; to Barbara Leger; a fine scholar.
Also to dilligent Lisa Harnan, exhaustive Russell
Gmirken, sharp George Brooks, creative Jack Tornbull,
tweezer-handler David Hinley , zealous Greg Doudna,
and if I have forgotten someone, please accept my
apologies.  Greg proved to be a concerned panel member
with his doubts about my (and Rotman and Bermudez’s)
existence. On my side, I was perhaps also too
satirical in my answer to his overzealous doubts. My
sincere appreciation to all.

To Russell Gmyrken

I got answer from Msgr. Voicu curator of the Secret
Archives of the Vatican Library to the effect that (I
quote) “The document Mr. Szekely speaks about seems to
have never existed. At least in this premises”. Before
that, Msgr. Ammenti also answered that “there is not
such a manuscript in the Vatican Library”. I am
waiting for Szekely’s widow to answer my request for
info regarding her husband’s claims. We can all
imagine what the answer will be. 

About radiocarbon.

Also, regarding your comment to Greg Doudna on radio
carbon, (Correct me if I am wrong), I understand that
Mass Acceleration Spectrometry is a more precise, less
destructive test for dating both organic and inorganic
samples. Would it perhaps be better for the castor oil
contaminated scrolls?

To David Hindley

Your discovery of Gottlieb’s “Edgar Cayce and the Dead
Sea Scrolls” open an entirely new path of search for
my work. I appreciate it. After you touched this point
I noticed the striking similarity of those teachings
(Szekely’s “Essennes”) and the Khabalah which I have
studied. I had not considered a connection with
new-age-turn-of-the century mysticism. Thanks very
much. This helps a lot.

I have been to the Essene Church of Christ’s website.
However I considered the mentioned Carmel Manuscript
as another mischief of some sect members. Hardly bound
to take it seriously. I find it hard to believe John
Allegro actually hid a mss and never tried to show it.
This just is not the Allegro I have known about. I
shall follow the lead on  Jenkin’s “The Esoteric
Christ”. I deeply appreciate all this.

To Lisa Kharnan  : ) 
I’ll get to you off list. It’s too long to post it
here and I wouldn’t want to help clog the forum. 
Thanks for all your comments on “The Essene Gospel”.
Things are getting now more clear every day.

To Jack Kilmon,
After you (and Hindley) touched the point I noticed
the striking similarity of those teachings (Szekely’s
“Essennes”) and the Khabalah which I have studied. It
never occurred to me the connection with
new-age-turn-of-the century mysticism. I did not know
Szekely had claimed translation from Slavonic before
WWII. That only would make him a charlatan alright.
Let alone the entire gospel concoction.


To Russell Gmyrken (again)
Spicy comment, yours on Beskow’s “Strange Tales About
Jesus”. Also the answer from his (supposedly) “Alma
Mater” to the effect that they never had a PhD
Dissertation, nor record on any thesis advisors is
quite enlightening. Grateful I am.

I think this will be the end to Dr. Fakehely’s dirty
tricks. I feel that thousands of people have been
cheated with his books. I also think is our duty to
unmask this and any other of such practices, so he
wont deceive any more people. I’ll do my best.

Thanks again to the panel members and to ORION. It’s a
privilege to be here with such a pack of fine
scholars. I apologize for my impatience on resenting
what I felt were inflated-egos Crhristians and Jewish
alike. And finally: God! how I’d love to be near
Connecticut to attend Schiffman’s conference! I envy
those who can.

Reinaldo Martinez

Anyone also thinks this Fakehely afair should be published?

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orion-list Re: To The Orion Panel

2001-09-29 Thread Suter, David

Reinaldo,

For a balanced introductory treatment of the scrolls, see James VanderKam,
The Dead Sea Scrolls Today.  For an English translation that will enable you
to draw your own conclusions, try The Dead Sea Scrolls Translated : The
Qumran Texts in English by F. Garcia Martinez.  For bibliographical
information on the Dead Sea Scrolls, check the Orion web site:

http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il/resources/bib/bib.shtml

David Suter
Saint Martin's College
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