Re: orion-list Pharisaic texts
Is there really any intention to find strange texts of the political opponent within the corpus of the DSS? treaties with a nonexistent Sparta? one sided amicitia with Rome? Indian elephants and Greek mercenaries called 'Cypriots'? N.b. 'infra' (adv.) means 'below'; and a passage that exclusively follows the course of the River Jordan and - here - of the Dead Sea, is always to be understood in the sense of 'suedlich von'. Otherwise one would expect a specification like 'infra... ...inter septentriones et occasium solis (spectans)', ie 'below... ... northwest of'. And I don't believe that a German scholar of old ever went out into the field without a military compass. Tot ziens. Dierk ~`ยด~ ( o o ) -oOOOOOOo- Cunctine adestis, liberi? oooO Hic est Casparolus ( ) Oooo *g* ---\ (---( )- \_)) / (_/ For private reply, e-mail to Dierk van den Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from Orion, e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: unsubscribe Orion. Archives are on the Orion Web site, http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il.
Re: orion-list Pharisaic texts
Looking for previously known texts (e.g. 1, 2 Maccabees) which are missing at Qumran is only one, incomplete, way to characterize what the collection has and does not have. Looking at the previously unknown texts (and looking at all the texts anew), one can ask whether any particular Qumran text is characterized by Pharisaic traditional teaching and practices and terminology. Further, one can ask whether any Qumran texts (such as some pesharim) speak against Pharisees and their teaching. With the longer list of questions, I would say absence of Pharisee texts at Qumran is remarkable--and that Qumran does not represent the full range of viewpoints within late Second Temple Judaism. For a good discussion and bibliography, I recommend Pharisees by Al Baumgarten in Encyclopedia of the DSS (Oxford, 2000). best, Stephen Goranson Dear All, A frequent statement in the literature is that it is significant that there are no texts from the Pharisees among the Qumran scrolls. However, I don't recall seeing a discussion of which actual texts are missing (and for that matter, why we think they are Pharisaic). I would appreciate any suggestions or references on this topic. Ian Young Sydney University For private reply, e-mail to Stephen Goranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from Orion, e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: unsubscribe Orion. Archives are on the Orion Web site, http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il.
Re: orion-list Pharisaic texts
Interesting point, Herbert. Ephron has I think convincingly demonstrated that the Talmudic passage on the dispute between the Pharisees and Sadducees under Hyrkanus I to which you refer is not an independent tradition but derives from Josephus. (His argument, as I recall, hinges on the fact that the Talmudic passage presumes facts only present in Josephus, indicating awareness of the latter.)This leaves only the Megillat Ta'anit, which Zeitlin dates to the Jewish War, c. 70 CE, i.e., after the time of the scrolls. Best regards, Russell Gmirkin P.S. And don't leave zoos out of your penguin analysis. :) the only written text sof pharisees I know of is a list of dates called megillat ta'anit and one historical source shared by josephus and the talmud talking about the silence of the pharisees against a slander of the hasmoneans at a banquet. the talmudic text has a waw conversive, the only one in all of rabbinic literature, save for maybe one in the liturgy-- indicating a written source. For private reply, e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from Orion, e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: unsubscribe Orion. Archives are on the Orion Web site, http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il.
Re: orion-list Pharisaic texts
For private reply, e-mail to herbert basser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from Orion, e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: unsubscribe Orion. Archives are on the Orion Web site, http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il.
Re: orion-list Pharisaic texts
It appears my message got lost in cyber space so ill try again: pharisees had some written texts-- the books of the hebrew bible. these were found at qumran, they had possibly two other written texts, one a list of dates whne fasting was forbidden, another written in biblical hebrew style talking about the pharisees silence when a hasmonean was insulted (Josephus seems to have the same text). tHere is possibly another presevred in the liturgy. But pharisees were likely as antitext as were babylonian jurists. one would expect to find as many pharisaic texts as there are penguins in uraguay. and for the same reason herb basser [EMAIL PROTECTED] For private reply, e-mail to Herbert Basser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from Orion, e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: unsubscribe Orion. Archives are on the Orion Web site, http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il.
