Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant

2011-03-04 Terurut Topik Harisfazillah Jamel
Noted on that MQA issue. The committee will start small. At this moment we already contact our contact in universities around Malaysia. We are going to call for a dialog between U, Industry and community mid of April. On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 8:54 AM, Boh Yap bhy...@gmail.com wrote: hi all,

Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant

2011-03-04 Terurut Topik darXness darXness
On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 1:35 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote: Noted on that MQA issue. The committee will start small. At this moment we already contact our contact in universities around Malaysia. We are going to call for a dialog between U, Industry and community mid of

Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant

2011-03-04 Terurut Topik Harisfazillah Jamel
Our supporters education sectors are welcoming OSS community into U, Politeknik, IKBN and any education places. They are decision makers and wiling to push its further. Our weakness as OSS community is the people that can go on the ground, meeting with them, coordinating and more admin works. We

Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant

2011-03-04 Terurut Topik Boh Yap
Haris, I would like to help in this area if I can. Ie: meetings, brainstorming sessions etc... but may not have time for the coordination/admin work. Perhaps that can be overcome by setting up some sort of a collaboration wen-site - a Wiki or equivalent. On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 1:55 AM,

Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant

2011-03-03 Terurut Topik red1
On 3/3/11 8:54 AM, Boh Yap wrote: hi all, here's another rant, its directed at our Educational system, but done in a less brutal way than the 'last' nuclear exchange between Red and Rafe ;-) Sabar guys you both got your points, Have a read and pls comment... Critique of MQA Computing

Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant

2011-03-03 Terurut Topik sweemeng ng
While it is true that programming can be highly paid. in most organization that i know of, programmer is a deadend position, you pretty much stuck. More often than not the only way to get promoted is to go to management. On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 4:31 PM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: On 3/3/11 8:54

[osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant

2011-03-02 Terurut Topik Boh Yap
hi all, here's another rant, its directed at our Educational system, but done in a less brutal way than the 'last' nuclear exchange between Red and Rafe ;-) Sabar guys you both got your points, Have a read and pls comment... Critique of MQA Computing Program Document

Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant

2011-03-02 Terurut Topik Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin
2011 08:54:40 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com; pytho...@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant hi all, here's another rant, its directed at our Educational system, but done in a less brutal way than

Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant

2011-03-02 Terurut Topik Mohd Rizal Mohd Shahari
...@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant hi all, here's another rant, its directed at our Educational system, but done in a less brutal way than the 'last' nuclear exchange between Red and Rafe

Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant

2011-03-02 Terurut Topik Abdul Aziz Mydin Salimuddin
Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant hi all, here's another rant, its directed at our Educational system, but done in a less brutal way than the 'last' nuclear exchange between Red and Rafe ;-) Sabar guys you both got your points, Have a read and pls comment

Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant

2011-03-02 Terurut Topik Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar
On 03/03/2011 10:00 AM, Abdul Aziz Mydin Salimuddin wrote: Salam semua, Nk masukan subjek JAVA Programing pun panel MQA ckp, itu terlalu tinggi utk student diploma, so camane erkk.. Rasanya sejak 2005 dah ada ajar java kat uni awam sebab saya kena ambil subjek OOP untuk Dip. Sains Komputer

Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant

2011-03-02 Terurut Topik Abdul Aziz Mydin Salimuddin
O tp nie utk private college... even utk subjek photography pun dorang mintak kena ada bilik gelap... even skang nie dah pakai SLR kamera... 2011/3/3 Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar u...@umarzuki.org On 03/03/2011 10:00 AM, Abdul Aziz Mydin Salimuddin wrote: Salam semua, Nk masukan subjek

Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant

2011-03-02 Terurut Topik Haris bin Ali
+1000 Jangan harap la nak diajar pasal version control kat universiti. Project management konon //ha...@qedx.com 2011/3/3 Abdul Aziz Mydin Salimuddin kernel...@gmail.com: O tp nie utk private college... even utk subjek photography pun dorang mintak kena ada bilik gelap... even skang nie

Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant

2011-03-02 Terurut Topik sweemeng ng
Good one will learn on their own anyway. But boh really hit it spot on. unfortunately during my time, which is really not that long ago, one have to really learn on their own to really know stuff. But hey, this is Malaysia, student are taught to study stuff relevant to exam, so good luck with

Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant

2011-03-02 Terurut Topik Umarzuki Bin Mochlis Moktar
On 03/03/2011 12:05 PM, Haris bin Ali wrote: +1000 Jangan harap la nak diajar pasal version control kat universiti. Project management konon //ha...@qedx.com teringat bro Azrul (beliau keje dgn Sun kot masa tu) tanya kat aku pada satu event Sun kt incubator MSC di Cyberjaya: apa object

Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant

2011-03-02 Terurut Topik Hafiz Bhari
Ingat tak masa mula-mula IT bertapak kat sini. Course IT lah yang paling mudah untuk masuk U. IT mungkin diletakkan sebagai pilihan kedua, ketiga, keempat atau tercorot untuk masuk U. Sekarang pun mungkin lagi. Dan hasil pengalaman mengajar student U, sedikit dari mereka yang betul-betul minat

Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant

2011-03-02 Terurut Topik sweemeng ng
sekarang pun sama, dan seperti dulu, tak banyak yang pilih IT sebagai pilihan pertaman 2011/3/3 Hafiz Bhari executab...@gmail.com Ingat tak masa mula-mula IT bertapak kat sini. Course IT lah yang paling mudah untuk masuk U. IT mungkin diletakkan sebagai pilihan kedua, ketiga, keempat atau

Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant

2011-03-02 Terurut Topik Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini
I don't want to condemn universities student, tapi sebahagian dari mereka tak nak belajar benda yang lain selain yang diajar dalam kuliah atau dari buku. mesti nak ikut buku bulat-bulat. bila dah tunjuk cara paling mudah, dia pun cakap o. based my experience, one of my friend, a degree (not

Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant

2011-03-02 Terurut Topik Haris bin Ali
Lecturer pun problem jugak sebenarnya. Kalau tak ikut buku bulat-bulat karang dia tak nak :( Nak buat macam mana tu? //ha...@qedx.com 2011/3/3 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini jipangmenje...@gmail.com: I don't want to condemn universities student, tapi sebahagian dari mereka tak nak belajar benda

Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant

2011-03-02 Terurut Topik Abdul Aziz Mydin Salimuddin
Anak sapa laaa nie sopan sungguh, seb baik aku tadak adik pompuan :) 2011/3/3 Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini jipangmenje...@gmail.com I don't want to condemn universities student, tapi sebahagian dari mereka tak nak belajar benda yang lain selain yang diajar dalam kuliah atau dari buku. mesti nak