Re: [osg-users] Operating Systems + Applications - Application Systems

2008-05-19 Thread Markus Hein
Hi All, Perhaps OSG users are already doing this, or are considering. The purpose of this email is to throw this possibility out there, and to get feedback from OSG users who might find such an means of distribution useful. There are members of the community far better placed to actual go

Re: [osg-users] Operating Systems + Applications - Application Systems

2008-05-19 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Markus Hein wrote: classic Live-CD remastering sounds for me like a time consuming and unflexible approach, but it could work. I do not see why inflexible - there are actually automated tools for this today. Boot the image, change what you

Re: [osg-users] Operating Systems + Applications - Application Systems

2008-05-19 Thread Markus Hein
Hi Jan, Jan Ciger schrieb: classic Live-CD remastering sounds for me like a time consuming and unflexible approach, but it could work. I do not see why inflexible - there are actually automated tools for this today. Boot the image, change what you need and have the scripts build you

Re: [osg-users] Operating Systems + Applications - Application Systems

2008-05-19 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Markus Hein wrote: Remastereing an existing Live-CD works good if it contains the current packages and if you only want to create ONE conrete ISO for your needs, but if you want to create daily ISO's than I'm afraid you will not save much time.

Re: [osg-users] Operating Systems + Applications - Application Systems

2008-05-19 Thread Zoltán
Markus Hein wrote on Monday 19 May 2008: Mandriva has a good Live distro, even running from a USB stick. Another tiny one I am using from a USB key is RIPLinux. I didn't try to remaster that one, though. Mandriva-Live detects your 3D Hardware, is downloading installing the right driver

Re: [osg-users] Operating Systems + Applications - Application Systems

2008-05-19 Thread Markus Hein
Hi Jan, Then I think we are not speaking about the same thing. Of course, if I was to rebuild isos daily, I would look for something else. However, that is not the issue for me - the whole point of making a live CD is to give it away at conferences or to students and such. That doesn't mean it

Re: [osg-users] Operating Systems + Applications - Application Systems

2008-05-19 Thread Markus Hein
Zoltán schrieb: yes. I just did that (Mandriva 2008.spring) I don't know if they download it or if they cache the drivers locally on the CD, but you boot the LiveCD and you have 3D (OK, it's quite long to boot). And when you install you still have 3D. I'll try OSG ASAP bye Zoltán

Re: [osg-users] Operating Systems + Applications - Application Systems

2008-05-19 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Markus Hein wrote: Hi Zoltan, this is good news for me. Probably we all using nvidia adapters under linux. Has someone tried if Mandriva 2008.spring with fglrx .. ? I am running the Powerpack edition (not the live CD) and there is no

Re: [osg-users] Operating Systems + Applications - Application Systems

2008-05-18 Thread Robert Osfield
Hi Jan, On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Jan Ciger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahh so OSG has already been on bootable/live CD :-) I have one somewhere too, originally intended for my students :-p This is something I've been think about too - just giving training classes a USB disk with the OS,

Re: [osg-users] Operating Systems + Applications - Application Systems

2008-05-18 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert Osfield wrote: Hi Jan, On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Jan Ciger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahh so OSG has already been on bootable/live CD :-) I have one somewhere too, originally intended for my students :-p This is something I've

Re: [osg-users] Operating Systems + Applications - Application Systems

2008-05-17 Thread Mike Weiblen
Hi Robert, Yes, the live bootable CD is a very interesting concept. I made something like that based on Knoppix years ago, that proof of concept used Mesa IIRC. It was like October 2002 and primarily a demo of VTP w/ my Eldorado Springs database. Have to find the .iso, rediscover what I

Re: [osg-users] Operating Systems + Applications - Application Systems

2008-05-17 Thread Robert Osfield
Hi Mike, On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Mike Weiblen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, the live bootable CD is a very interesting concept. I made something like that based on Knoppix years ago, that proof of concept used Mesa IIRC. It was like October 2002 and primarily a demo of VTP w/ my

Re: [osg-users] Operating Systems + Applications - Application Systems

2008-05-17 Thread Robert Osfield
Hi Zoltan, On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 9:46 PM, Zoltán [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you forget one particular piece of open-source stuff, or more specifically Linux stuff: proprietary drivers and GPL !!! I believe I left lots of details out even choice of OS :-) Linux is the one I'm most

Re: [osg-users] Operating Systems + Applications - Application Systems

2008-05-17 Thread Paul Speed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFAJDbV9Vfs http://www.nvidia.com/object/freebsd_1.0-6113.html :) -Paul (caveat, I am also not a BSD user. :P) Jan Ciger wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jeremy Moles wrote: ÿI was under the impression he was saying you cannot include a

[osg-users] Operating Systems + Applications - Application Systems

2008-05-16 Thread Robert Osfield
Hi All, Over the last few years I have seen a few trends in hardware and software that made me curious about the possibility that soon it might be quite easily to put together an operating system and our own applications together as one physical piece of media, and distribute this as a self

Re: [osg-users] Operating Systems + Applications - Application Systems

2008-05-16 Thread Zoltán
Robert Osfield wrote on Friday 16 May 2008: Or course PC hardware is far more varied than Console is, but thankfully OpenGL and a decent OS can hide much of these variants for causing us too much concern. Robert, you forget one particular piece of open-source stuff, or more specifically

Re: [osg-users] Operating Systems + Applications - Application Systems

2008-05-16 Thread Jeremy Moles
On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 22:46 +0200, Zoltán wrote: Robert Osfield wrote on Friday 16 May 2008: Or course PC hardware is far more varied than Console is, but thankfully OpenGL and a decent OS can hide much of these variants for causing us too much concern. Robert, you forget one

Re: [osg-users] Operating Systems + Applications - Application Systems

2008-05-16 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jeremy Moles wrote: I've also read about a LiveCD distribution that provided 3D proprietary drivers out of the box for most hardware and that the GNU people attacked, and obliged to retract. That was because a distribution doesn't have the

Re: [osg-users] Operating Systems + Applications - Application Systems

2008-05-16 Thread Zoltán
Jeremy Moles wrote on Saturday 17 May 2008: On Sat, 2008-05-17 at 00:01 +0200, Jan Ciger wrote: Jeremy Moles wrote: I've also read about a LiveCD distribution that provided 3D proprietary drivers out of the box for most hardware and that the GNU people attacked, and obliged to

Re: [osg-users] Operating Systems + Applications - Application Systems

2008-05-16 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jeremy Moles wrote: ÿI was under the impression he was saying you cannot include a proprietary driver initiator with a distro, which I why I mentioned the thing about not being able to bundle a proprietary driver wrapper. I am, of course, aware