Re: [OSList] Patterns of OST - to whom is this of interest?

2014-10-17 Thread Chris Corrigan via OSList
You will find the group pattern language project interesting... http://groupworksdeck.org Chris -- CHRIS CORRIGAN Harvest Moon Consultants Facilitation, Open Space Technology and process design Check www.chriscorrigan.com for upcoming workshops, blog posts and free resources. On Oct

Re: [OSList] Authority in Open Space - All Open Space

2014-10-17 Thread John Baxter via OSList
I don't think you need to be so qualified, Paul; 3.) All all statements are *positively* self limiting. But then if I gather correctly, it's all a joke anyway. So from that vantage point... what do we do now? *John Baxter* *​Co​Create Adelaide Facilitator, Director of Realise consultancy*

Re: [OSList] Private vs Public OST Differences?

2014-10-17 Thread Daniel Mezick via OSList
Greetings Christine, Thanks for your detailed reply. I must admit, I have no experience whatsoever with doing quasi-public OST events arranged for guilds, industry-associations and the like. I'm clueless! As such, my opinion does not have much (if any) validity about those use cases. I do

Re: [OSList] Private vs Public OST Differences?

2014-10-17 Thread Michael Herman via OSList
Not sure the differences you articulate have anything to do with public and private, Daniel. It's about the different structures. I've seen very loose corporate add-on events and very productive and long-lived action (spanning years and continents) come from open public conferences. So id say

Re: [OSList] Authority in Open Space - All Open Space

2014-10-17 Thread Daniel Mezick via OSList
On 10/17/14 7:01 AM, John Baxter wrote: I don't think you need to be so qualified, Paul; 3.) All all statements are /positively/ self limiting. But then if I gather correctly, it's all a joke anyway. So from that vantage point... what do we do now? */John Baxter/* /​Co​Create Adelaide

Re: [OSList] Private vs Public OST Differences?

2014-10-17 Thread Daniel Mezick via OSList
Hi Michael, I hear you, saying: I've seen very loose corporate add-on events ..and then I also hear you saying: I've seen...very productive and long-lived action (spanning years and continents) come from open public conferences. I do not hear you saying this: I've seen very loose

Re: [OSList] Patterns of OST - to whom is this of interest?

2014-10-17 Thread Harold Shinsato via OSList
John, Will you tell me more about your interest in pattern languages for use in OST? Your question instantly made me think of the Group Works deck that Chris recommended as well. It's a great set of patterns for working with groups. A few weeks ago Tricia Chirumbole and I actually used this

[OSList] Invitation by the sponsor / initiator

2014-10-17 Thread Kári Gunnarsson via OSList
The four preconditions of the swarm invitation from Swarmwise by Rick Falkvinge. I find this oddly similar to the preconditions of Open Space. 1. Tangible: You need to post an outline of the goals you intend to meet, when, and how. 2. Credible: After having presented your daring goal, you need

Re: [OSList] Private vs Public OST Differences?

2014-10-17 Thread Daniel Mezick via OSList
Hi Michael, I'm confused now, and so I believe I am about to learn something new here... I'll know by your answers to these questions: What are the minimum essentials of Open Space structure? For example, are the following elements necessary at all? 1. Sponsor 2. Theme 3. Invitation in

Re: [OSList] Respect in Self-Organizing Systems

2014-10-17 Thread Harrison Owen via OSList
Dan said: “... in human systems, there is no such thing as self-organization, whatsoever, unless and until respect is successfully sent, and successfully received, by and between the members.” Interesting idea... There is no question in my mind that respect is critical to effective human

[OSList] Culture Technology Wants to Be Free

2014-10-17 Thread Daniel Mezick via OSList
Reference Link: http://newtechusa.net/agile/culture-technology-wants-to-be-free/ In researching Barcamp and Unconference formats, I discover that Barcamp and Unconference came much later and are in fact direct derivatives of Open Space, also known as Open Space Technology, as in Open Space

Re: [OSList] Culture Technology Wants to Be Free

2014-10-17 Thread Chris Corrigan via OSList
Daniel… “Open Space Technology” was created and released into the world long before the Creative Commons licenses were there to let everyone know that it is freely usable, shareable, with non-attribution. People can remix it, sell it, create commercial products from it, rebrand it, create

Re: [OSList] Culture Technology Wants to Be Free

2014-10-17 Thread anne.bennett8ac via OSList
I get the concern for open source principles However, on reading the 4 swarm thingsnot much like OS and setting out a process that sounds cheesy at best, (deleted long winded reasons why it leaves me cold...proving that it did)  Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message

Re: [OSList] Culture Technology Wants to Be Free

2014-10-17 Thread Daniel Mezick via OSList
Dear Chris, Thank you for sharing your thoughts and feelings, about open source licensing for culture technology, such as Open Space. Kind Regards, Daniel On 10/17/14 3:42 PM, Chris Corrigan wrote: Daniel… “Open Space Technology” was created and released into the world long before the

Re: [OSList] Culture Technology Wants to Be Free

2014-10-17 Thread Daniel Mezick via OSList
Hi Anne, I join with you regarding the cheese. What concerns me is summed up in my essay: Any and all attempts to close what is open, through tricky licensing, trademarks and the like. Because culture technology wants to be free. On 10/17/14 3:47 PM, anne.bennett8ac wrote: I get the

Re: [OSList] Private vs Public OST Differences?

2014-10-17 Thread Michael Herman via OSList
it's not about minimum requirements for me, daniel. many of the things on your list show up in most of the meetings/events i've facilitated, but it's all very situation specific. what i heard you saying earlier, and maybe i heard it wrong, was about corporate/organization/private events that

Re: [OSList] Culture Technology Wants to Be Free

2014-10-17 Thread Harrison Owen via OSList
Dan (and anybody else who cares) – just for the record and whatever... From the VERY BEGINNING, OST has been FREE for whomsoever. My (as the “originator, discoverer, whatever) only “condition” is that we share what we have learned. ho Winter Address 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, MD

Re: [OSList] Private vs Public OST Differences?

2014-10-17 Thread Chris Corrigan via OSList
Underlining this. The Giving Conference, an open and public event in 2003 was transformational for the few dozen people who were there and launched scores of long term and sustained work that had a influence far beyond what we could have imagined. It’s one of my best practice stories, and it

Re: [OSList] Private vs Public OST Differences?

2014-10-17 Thread Michael Herman via OSList
one of my favorite stories, too, chris. here's some of the detail, from my website. some of the links might be dead, but the story is a good one. and it was totally open, public. he (vancouver, bc) and i (chicago) worked with a blogger in texas to set it up. we were about 40 people at the

Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 44, Issue 22

2014-10-17 Thread Anne Stadler via OSList
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Re: [OSList] Patterns of OST - to whom is this of interest?

2014-10-17 Thread Chris Corrigan via OSList
You will find the group pattern language project interesting... http://groupworksdeck.org Chris -- CHRIS CORRIGAN Harvest Moon Consultants Facilitation, Open Space Technology and process design Check www.chriscorrigan.com for upcoming workshops, blog posts and free resources. On Oct

Re: [OSList] Authority in Open Space - All Open Space

2014-10-17 Thread John Baxter via OSList
I don't think you need to be so qualified, Paul; 3.) All all statements are *positively* self limiting. But then if I gather correctly, it's all a joke anyway. So from that vantage point... what do we do now? *John Baxter* *​Co​Create Adelaide Facilitator, Director of Realise consultancy*

Re: [OSList] Private vs Public OST Differences?

2014-10-17 Thread Daniel Mezick via OSList
Greetings Christine, Thanks for your detailed reply. I must admit, I have no experience whatsoever with doing quasi-public OST events arranged for guilds, industry-associations and the like. I'm clueless! As such, my opinion does not have much (if any) validity about those use cases. I do

Re: [OSList] Private vs Public OST Differences?

2014-10-17 Thread Michael Herman via OSList
Not sure the differences you articulate have anything to do with public and private, Daniel. It's about the different structures. I've seen very loose corporate add-on events and very productive and long-lived action (spanning years and continents) come from open public conferences. So id say

Re: [OSList] Authority in Open Space - All Open Space

2014-10-17 Thread Daniel Mezick via OSList
On 10/17/14 7:01 AM, John Baxter wrote: I don't think you need to be so qualified, Paul; 3.) All all statements are /positively/ self limiting. But then if I gather correctly, it's all a joke anyway. So from that vantage point... what do we do now? */John Baxter/* /​Co​Create Adelaide

Re: [OSList] Private vs Public OST Differences?

2014-10-17 Thread Daniel Mezick via OSList
Hi Michael, I hear you, saying: I've seen very loose corporate add-on events ..and then I also hear you saying: I've seen...very productive and long-lived action (spanning years and continents) come from open public conferences. I do not hear you saying this: I've seen very loose

Re: [OSList] Patterns of OST - to whom is this of interest?

2014-10-17 Thread Harold Shinsato via OSList
John, Will you tell me more about your interest in pattern languages for use in OST? Your question instantly made me think of the Group Works deck that Chris recommended as well. It's a great set of patterns for working with groups. A few weeks ago Tricia Chirumbole and I actually used this

[OSList] Invitation by the sponsor / initiator

2014-10-17 Thread Kári Gunnarsson via OSList
The four preconditions of the swarm invitation from Swarmwise by Rick Falkvinge. I find this oddly similar to the preconditions of Open Space. 1. Tangible: You need to post an outline of the goals you intend to meet, when, and how. 2. Credible: After having presented your daring goal, you need

Re: [OSList] Private vs Public OST Differences?

2014-10-17 Thread Daniel Mezick via OSList
Hi Michael, I'm confused now, and so I believe I am about to learn something new here... I'll know by your answers to these questions: What are the minimum essentials of Open Space structure? For example, are the following elements necessary at all? 1. Sponsor 2. Theme 3. Invitation in

Re: [OSList] Respect in Self-Organizing Systems

2014-10-17 Thread Harrison Owen via OSList
Dan said: “... in human systems, there is no such thing as self-organization, whatsoever, unless and until respect is successfully sent, and successfully received, by and between the members.” Interesting idea... There is no question in my mind that respect is critical to effective human

[OSList] Culture Technology Wants to Be Free

2014-10-17 Thread Daniel Mezick via OSList
Reference Link: http://newtechusa.net/agile/culture-technology-wants-to-be-free/ In researching Barcamp and Unconference formats, I discover that Barcamp and Unconference came much later and are in fact direct derivatives of Open Space, also known as Open Space Technology, as in Open Space

Re: [OSList] Culture Technology Wants to Be Free

2014-10-17 Thread Chris Corrigan via OSList
Daniel… “Open Space Technology” was created and released into the world long before the Creative Commons licenses were there to let everyone know that it is freely usable, shareable, with non-attribution. People can remix it, sell it, create commercial products from it, rebrand it, create

Re: [OSList] Culture Technology Wants to Be Free

2014-10-17 Thread anne.bennett8ac via OSList
I get the concern for open source principles However, on reading the 4 swarm thingsnot much like OS and setting out a process that sounds cheesy at best, (deleted long winded reasons why it leaves me cold...proving that it did)  Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message

Re: [OSList] Culture Technology Wants to Be Free

2014-10-17 Thread Daniel Mezick via OSList
Dear Chris, Thank you for sharing your thoughts and feelings, about open source licensing for culture technology, such as Open Space. Kind Regards, Daniel On 10/17/14 3:42 PM, Chris Corrigan wrote: Daniel… “Open Space Technology” was created and released into the world long before the

Re: [OSList] Culture Technology Wants to Be Free

2014-10-17 Thread Daniel Mezick via OSList
Hi Anne, I join with you regarding the cheese. What concerns me is summed up in my essay: Any and all attempts to close what is open, through tricky licensing, trademarks and the like. Because culture technology wants to be free. On 10/17/14 3:47 PM, anne.bennett8ac wrote: I get the

Re: [OSList] Private vs Public OST Differences?

2014-10-17 Thread Michael Herman via OSList
it's not about minimum requirements for me, daniel. many of the things on your list show up in most of the meetings/events i've facilitated, but it's all very situation specific. what i heard you saying earlier, and maybe i heard it wrong, was about corporate/organization/private events that

Re: [OSList] Culture Technology Wants to Be Free

2014-10-17 Thread Harrison Owen via OSList
Dan (and anybody else who cares) – just for the record and whatever... From the VERY BEGINNING, OST has been FREE for whomsoever. My (as the “originator, discoverer, whatever) only “condition” is that we share what we have learned. ho Winter Address 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, MD

Re: [OSList] Private vs Public OST Differences?

2014-10-17 Thread Chris Corrigan via OSList
Underlining this. The Giving Conference, an open and public event in 2003 was transformational for the few dozen people who were there and launched scores of long term and sustained work that had a influence far beyond what we could have imagined. It’s one of my best practice stories, and it

Re: [OSList] Private vs Public OST Differences?

2014-10-17 Thread Michael Herman via OSList
one of my favorite stories, too, chris. here's some of the detail, from my website. some of the links might be dead, but the story is a good one. and it was totally open, public. he (vancouver, bc) and i (chicago) worked with a blogger in texas to set it up. we were about 40 people at the

Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 44, Issue 22

2014-10-17 Thread Anne Stadler via OSList
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Re: [OSList] Patterns of OST - to whom is this of interest?

2014-10-17 Thread Chris Corrigan via OSList
You will find the group pattern language project interesting... http://groupworksdeck.org Chris -- CHRIS CORRIGAN Harvest Moon Consultants Facilitation, Open Space Technology and process design Check www.chriscorrigan.com for upcoming workshops, blog posts and free resources. On Oct

Re: [OSList] Authority in Open Space - All Open Space

2014-10-17 Thread John Baxter via OSList
I don't think you need to be so qualified, Paul; 3.) All all statements are *positively* self limiting. But then if I gather correctly, it's all a joke anyway. So from that vantage point... what do we do now? *John Baxter* *​Co​Create Adelaide Facilitator, Director of Realise consultancy*

Re: [OSList] Private vs Public OST Differences?

2014-10-17 Thread Daniel Mezick via OSList
Greetings Christine, Thanks for your detailed reply. I must admit, I have no experience whatsoever with doing quasi-public OST events arranged for guilds, industry-associations and the like. I'm clueless! As such, my opinion does not have much (if any) validity about those use cases. I do

Re: [OSList] Private vs Public OST Differences?

2014-10-17 Thread Michael Herman via OSList
Not sure the differences you articulate have anything to do with public and private, Daniel. It's about the different structures. I've seen very loose corporate add-on events and very productive and long-lived action (spanning years and continents) come from open public conferences. So id say

Re: [OSList] Authority in Open Space - All Open Space

2014-10-17 Thread Daniel Mezick via OSList
On 10/17/14 7:01 AM, John Baxter wrote: I don't think you need to be so qualified, Paul; 3.) All all statements are /positively/ self limiting. But then if I gather correctly, it's all a joke anyway. So from that vantage point... what do we do now? */John Baxter/* /​Co​Create Adelaide

Re: [OSList] Private vs Public OST Differences?

2014-10-17 Thread Daniel Mezick via OSList
Hi Michael, I hear you, saying: I've seen very loose corporate add-on events ..and then I also hear you saying: I've seen...very productive and long-lived action (spanning years and continents) come from open public conferences. I do not hear you saying this: I've seen very loose

Re: [OSList] Patterns of OST - to whom is this of interest?

2014-10-17 Thread Harold Shinsato via OSList
John, Will you tell me more about your interest in pattern languages for use in OST? Your question instantly made me think of the Group Works deck that Chris recommended as well. It's a great set of patterns for working with groups. A few weeks ago Tricia Chirumbole and I actually used this

[OSList] Invitation by the sponsor / initiator

2014-10-17 Thread Kári Gunnarsson via OSList
The four preconditions of the swarm invitation from Swarmwise by Rick Falkvinge. I find this oddly similar to the preconditions of Open Space. 1. Tangible: You need to post an outline of the goals you intend to meet, when, and how. 2. Credible: After having presented your daring goal, you need

Re: [OSList] Private vs Public OST Differences?

2014-10-17 Thread Daniel Mezick via OSList
Hi Michael, I'm confused now, and so I believe I am about to learn something new here... I'll know by your answers to these questions: What are the minimum essentials of Open Space structure? For example, are the following elements necessary at all? 1. Sponsor 2. Theme 3. Invitation in

Re: [OSList] Respect in Self-Organizing Systems

2014-10-17 Thread Harrison Owen via OSList
Dan said: “... in human systems, there is no such thing as self-organization, whatsoever, unless and until respect is successfully sent, and successfully received, by and between the members.” Interesting idea... There is no question in my mind that respect is critical to effective human

[OSList] Culture Technology Wants to Be Free

2014-10-17 Thread Daniel Mezick via OSList
Reference Link: http://newtechusa.net/agile/culture-technology-wants-to-be-free/ In researching Barcamp and Unconference formats, I discover that Barcamp and Unconference came much later and are in fact direct derivatives of Open Space, also known as Open Space Technology, as in Open Space

Re: [OSList] Culture Technology Wants to Be Free

2014-10-17 Thread Chris Corrigan via OSList
Daniel… “Open Space Technology” was created and released into the world long before the Creative Commons licenses were there to let everyone know that it is freely usable, shareable, with non-attribution. People can remix it, sell it, create commercial products from it, rebrand it, create

Re: [OSList] Culture Technology Wants to Be Free

2014-10-17 Thread anne.bennett8ac via OSList
I get the concern for open source principles However, on reading the 4 swarm thingsnot much like OS and setting out a process that sounds cheesy at best, (deleted long winded reasons why it leaves me cold...proving that it did)  Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message

Re: [OSList] Culture Technology Wants to Be Free

2014-10-17 Thread Daniel Mezick via OSList
Dear Chris, Thank you for sharing your thoughts and feelings, about open source licensing for culture technology, such as Open Space. Kind Regards, Daniel On 10/17/14 3:42 PM, Chris Corrigan wrote: Daniel… “Open Space Technology” was created and released into the world long before the

Re: [OSList] Culture Technology Wants to Be Free

2014-10-17 Thread Daniel Mezick via OSList
Hi Anne, I join with you regarding the cheese. What concerns me is summed up in my essay: Any and all attempts to close what is open, through tricky licensing, trademarks and the like. Because culture technology wants to be free. On 10/17/14 3:47 PM, anne.bennett8ac wrote: I get the

Re: [OSList] Private vs Public OST Differences?

2014-10-17 Thread Michael Herman via OSList
it's not about minimum requirements for me, daniel. many of the things on your list show up in most of the meetings/events i've facilitated, but it's all very situation specific. what i heard you saying earlier, and maybe i heard it wrong, was about corporate/organization/private events that

Re: [OSList] Culture Technology Wants to Be Free

2014-10-17 Thread Harrison Owen via OSList
Dan (and anybody else who cares) – just for the record and whatever... From the VERY BEGINNING, OST has been FREE for whomsoever. My (as the “originator, discoverer, whatever) only “condition” is that we share what we have learned. ho Winter Address 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, MD

Re: [OSList] Private vs Public OST Differences?

2014-10-17 Thread Chris Corrigan via OSList
Underlining this. The Giving Conference, an open and public event in 2003 was transformational for the few dozen people who were there and launched scores of long term and sustained work that had a influence far beyond what we could have imagined. It’s one of my best practice stories, and it

Re: [OSList] Private vs Public OST Differences?

2014-10-17 Thread Michael Herman via OSList
one of my favorite stories, too, chris. here's some of the detail, from my website. some of the links might be dead, but the story is a good one. and it was totally open, public. he (vancouver, bc) and i (chicago) worked with a blogger in texas to set it up. we were about 40 people at the

Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 44, Issue 22

2014-10-17 Thread Anne Stadler via OSList
-- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20141017/153ceaf0/attachment-0001.htm -- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 14:58:12 +1030 From: John Baxter via OSList oslist