Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness

2015-10-05 Thread Michael Herman via OSList
> "There can be no river unless the mountain spring makes a sacred promise to the sea." wow! years ago, when i wrote about the "inviting organization," based on my own translation of ken wilber into org terms, i suggested the strategic question that currently mattered was "how inviting is your

Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness

2015-10-05 Thread Daniel Mezick via OSList
Howdy Harrison, Thanks for describing the context of the Ralph Copleman story- I'm very thankful for that info. I notice that, lots of times here, there are references made to notable OST episodes, and situations from times past... ...the "OST-mythos" as it were. These mythical stories

Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness

2015-10-05 Thread Daniel Mezick via OSList
Paul, Do you agree then, with this statement by the author? /"Contrary to what we would like to believe, there is no such thing as a structureless group." / On 10/5/15 1:11 PM, paul levy via OSList wrote: I rather like the saying "Trying to understand yourself is like trying to bite your

Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness

2015-10-05 Thread Michael Herman via OSList
there's an awful lot been written about the oslist to be unstructured... http://openspaceworld.org/wp2/oslist/ http://openspaceworld.org/wp2/oslist/oslist-faq/ and i can add, daniel, that these pages reminded me that ralph copleman was also the first oslist poet laureate. i remember him showing

Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness

2015-10-05 Thread Daniel Mezick via OSList
Rosa, Thanks for your thoughts on the essay, [The Tyranny of Structurelessness.] You say: "offer clear ways for people to contribute, so that it's clear and *_explicit_*, how people can become more involved, and thus gain greater social currency in constructive ways." The author of the

Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness

2015-10-05 Thread Rosa Zubizarreta via OSList
Hi Daniel, The writing you shared may well challenge some of our assumptions -- the word "structure" is at least as loaded in our culture as the word "power" or the word "leader" -- yet it does not, to my mind, challenge our practice of OST. Indeed, one of the great things about OST is that it's

Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness

2015-10-05 Thread Suzanne Daigle via OSList
Could it be that the structure we need shows up as we need it and disappears as quickly as it appeared once it has done its thing or when it has outlived it usefulness? I value structure in my life though if I focus on it too much, it does often feel that it becomes a close cousin to those

Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness

2015-10-05 Thread Harold Shinsato via OSList
Hi Suzanne! Nice interpretation - and maybe Mickey Mouse deserves a bow here. One of the things I love about our OS Hotline is the wisdom of Skye Hirst, who frequently shows up there. She has a lot of experience inside the work of Robert S. Hartman, and the hierarchy of values. Structure

Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness

2015-10-05 Thread Harold Shinsato via OSList
Hi Daniel, As a habitual outsider, I can't say whether or not I felt excluded by the Ralph Copleman story or not. For me, it might be a bit like asking a fish whether or not he feels wet. But I will say - I've heard the story of Ralph and "everything is moving", and I got value from the

[OSList] Interdisciplinary Research dreaming

2015-10-05 Thread Michael Wood via OSList
A few years ago I was invited by a learning and development company to facilitate a weekend of Open Space for the whole company, on the question of 'New Business Development ideas for..'x' company'. It was an incredibly creative and fun weekend in which many ideas were floated and talked

Re: [OSList] Interdisciplinary Research dreaming

2015-10-05 Thread Jeff Aitken via OSList
Hi Michael. We've had several OS gatherings to bring together the adult midcareer graduate students in the doctoral program in Transformative Inquiry at CIIS in San Francisco. It's called a 'transdisciplinary' program and a rich mix of exchanges are always enjoyed. Collaborations including

[OSList] OS Hotline - Tuesday Oct 6 @ 12PM Eastern :)

2015-10-05 Thread Tricia Chirumbole via OSList
Hi all! The OS Hotline is coming to a device near you soon :) Come meet us on Zoom, * today/*t*omorrow, Tuesday October 6th @12PM Eastern. *We will be on for 1+ hours - Law of Two feet applies! *Sign-up *and post topics: http://bit.ly/OShotline *Join the call* from PC, Mac, iOS or

Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness

2015-10-05 Thread Anna Caroline Türk via OSList
Dear Harrison, it’s so funny I think I do really come from another generation - so sometimes I am not getting the point. I am such an Open Space native that I really don’t know what the whole conversation and struggles have been before and outside the OST approach. So I guess it’s weird for me

Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness

2015-10-05 Thread paul levy via OSList
I rather like the saying "Trying to understand yourself is like trying to bite your own teeth." The statement "Structure is s figment of our imagination" is simply a structured statement. Indeed all advocacy is at least temporary structure. And no less beautiful for that. Saying it's all flow

Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness

2015-10-05 Thread Daniel Mezick via OSList
Greeting Marie, Anna, Dirk, Michael, Rosa, JL, Harrison (...did I miss anyone? sorry of I did) ... I do like this essay. A lot. Thanks for interacting around this provocative essay "The Tyranny of Structurelessness." The essay certainly does challenge some of our most cherished

Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness

2015-10-05 Thread Marie Nelson via OSList
Interesting array of perspectives on structures. I sometimes distinguish between content structures (agendas, syllabi that function for command and control) and process structures (that liberate people/learners to interact at the point of choice). Marie