Re: [OSList] What's going on with the OST entry on Wikipedia lately?
supposed to write-up this kind of stuff? Crazy I am … but masochistic NO-Way. Good luck. And no this was not AT Bigger and richer! ho *From:*OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf Of *Koos de Heer via OSList *Sent:* Wednesday, February 19, 2020 9:19 AM *To:* 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' *Cc:* Koos de Heer *Subject:* Re: [OSList] What's going on with the OST entry on Wikipedia lately? Dear friends, Why wait until WOSonOS? Editing Wikipedia pages is not difficult. I am a Wikipedia editor myself, it is not hard to learn. Wikipedia is like Open Space. Anyone with a good mind and a good heart can do it. I am willing to have a go at correcting the mistakes. Anyone of you who will be reading my improvements and who wants to suggest further edits, is welcome to email me and I will process it as soon as I have time. This week is quite busy for me already, it may have to wait until the weekend before I get around to making the first edits. If you are OK with this plan, I will do it within a week and I will let you know when I have worked on it. Wishing you all a great day Koos de Heer *Van:*OSList *Namens *Thomas Herrmann via OSList *Verzonden:* woensdag 19 februari 2020 14:01 *Aan:* 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' *CC:* Thomas Herrmann *Onderwerp:* Re: [OSList] What's going on with the OST entry on Wikipedia lately? Sounds like a great idea to me Bhavesh, as long as she/he understands the context, then whoever comes and what & where ever it happens… Looking forward to meeting many of you! Thomas Herrmann Open Space Consulting AB Pensévägen 4, 434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81 Email: tho...@openspaceconsulting.com <mailto:tho...@openspaceconsulting.com> Homepage: www.openspaceconsulting.com <http://www.openspaceconsulting.com/> Profile on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult <http://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult> Company page on Facebook: www.facebook.com/OpenSpaceConsulting <http://www.facebook.com/OpenSpaceConsulting> Open Space Consulting frigör livskraft i människor, organisationer och samhälle. We release lifepower in people, organizations and society. ** /Medskapande är hör för att stanna – dags att vässa er förmåga?/ /Co-creation is here to stay – time to sharpen your skills?/ *Trainings/workshops 2020* March 12 Online erfa-utbyte om Open Space-metoden (gratis!) March 25 5toFold Decision making (online). Genuine Contact Speciality workshops April 2-3 Cross Cultural Conflict Resolution – Netherlands June 7-11 Från vanespår till integration – den glömda kreativiteten. Öland, Sweden (From old habits to integration – the hidden creativity) Sept 1-3 Working with Open Space Technology - Netherlands Sept 4-5 Genuine Contact Mentoring circle, Amsterdam Netherlands Oct 25-27 Working with Whole Person Process Facilitation – Berlin, Germany *Trainings/workshops 2021* Febr 2-5 Genuine Contact Organization – Netherlands Apr 12-16 Genuine Contact Train the Trainer - Netherlands More info & registration: www.openspaceconsulting.com <http://www.openspaceconsulting.com/> (Aktiviteter) Or get in touch via email tho...@openspaceconsulting.com <mailto:tho...@openspaceconsulting.com> *Från:*OSList <mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org>> *För *Bhavesh Patel via OSList *Skickat:* den 19 februari 2020 10:52 *Till:* World wide Open Space Technology email list mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> *Kopia:* Bhavesh Patel <mailto:bhavm...@gmail.com>>; Michael M Pannwitz <mailto:mmpannw...@gmail.com>> *Ämne:* Re: [OSList] What's going on with the OST entry on Wikipedia lately? And here is a random idea. Berlin has the second biggest Wikipedia organisation in the world, over 100 people. One of the things that Wikipedians love to do is to run live 'learn how to edit the Wikipedia' sessions. I am quite connected with the Berlin organisation, and Jo T has met them as well. I could ask if: * Someone from the Berlin Wikipedia community wants to offer an editing session at the WOSonOS. * Whoever shows up for that session will both learn how to edit the Wikipedia and practice editing by working on the Open Space Technology page. *What do you think/feel?* On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 at 11:38, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote: Dear Steve, first impression I had on reading the wikipedia entry was: Sabotage. I checked the German version. Even though I am not happy with it (being a radical purist) its more or less ok. In the meantime, the actual practice is far more developed as well as the understanding what OST is really about (expand time and space for the force of selforganisation to unfold) is not re
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Thanks HO. Go for it. These three words are also part of the future, follow your dream or passion. OS relies on commitment regardless of who it is. Let us ensure there is room for new ideas to emerge and new relationships develop for with out change we stay the same and of course we get the same result. We need world views that are concurrent with reality, new enterprises, and most of all the reality of community. Community is the heart if note the soul of a self organising system. Systems need balance not winners and losers. Part of the new reality is responsibility. The nation debt mounting by the mili second for the USA is intolerable in a global sense let alone a nation sense. This public squalor has completely lost track of the responsibility we have as one citizen to to the other. Koos do you level best. Just do it. Let us see it blossom into a newness that reaches out to those who are open to change as our current reality. Regards Rob > On 20 Feb 2020, at 5:36 pm, Harrison Owen via OSList > wrote: > > > Go for it Koos! For myself, I am out of the game. When Wikipedia first > happened I was invited to do something on OST. Which I did. From then on we/I > got well intentioned notes to “use impartial 3rd party sources. Two problems: > The only source I had is me (hardly impartial) AND nobody in the Academic > community has seen fit to write a serious peer reviewed article about OST. > Weird, but understandable – a whole mess of tenured positions could be at > stake! Just imagine what would happen to the Organization Design Depts. If > Open Space actually worked, and worse yet… was actually chronicled and > certified as “working” – whatever that might mean. Academic heads would > definitely roll! And with good reason. One of the last times I worked with a > large (American) corporation on a “sticky issue” the assembled group did in > two days what they had previously failed to do in two years. The chief of > that operation called me on the Monday to tell me that “He hated me.” He had > two reasons: 1) He now had to return to all the boring corporate meetings – > knowing full well that an alternative does exist. 2) He also had to admit > that two years of intense (expensive) effort had produced failure – which had > been rectified in two days – with virtually no effort on his part. Great > addition to the CV! And I’m supposed to write-up this kind of stuff? Crazy I > am … but masochistic NO-Way. Good luck. And no this was not AT Bigger and > richer! > > ho > > From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of > Koos de Heer via OSList > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 9:19 AM > To: 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' > Cc: Koos de Heer > Subject: Re: [OSList] What's going on with the OST entry on Wikipedia lately? > > Dear friends, > > Why wait until WOSonOS? Editing Wikipedia pages is not difficult. I am a > Wikipedia editor myself, it is not hard to learn. Wikipedia is like Open > Space. Anyone with a good mind and a good heart can do it. > > I am willing to have a go at correcting the mistakes. Anyone of you who will > be reading my improvements and who wants to suggest further edits, is welcome > to email me and I will process it as soon as I have time. > > This week is quite busy for me already, it may have to wait until the weekend > before I get around to making the first edits. If you are OK with this plan, > I will do it within a week and I will let you know when I have worked on it. > > Wishing you all a great day > > Koos de Heer > > > Van: OSList Namens Thomas Herrmann > via OSList > Verzonden: woensdag 19 februari 2020 14:01 > Aan: 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' > > CC: Thomas Herrmann > Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] What's going on with the OST entry on Wikipedia > lately? > > Sounds like a great idea to me Bhavesh, as long as she/he understands the > context, then whoever comes and what & where ever it happens… > Looking forward to meeting many of you! > > Thomas Herrmann > Open Space Consulting AB > Pensévägen 4, 434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden > Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81 > Email: tho...@openspaceconsulting.com > Homepage: www.openspaceconsulting.com > Profile on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult > Company page on Facebook: www.facebook.com/OpenSpaceConsulting > > Open Space Consulting frigör livskraft i människor, organisationer och > samhälle. > We release lifepower in people, organizations and society. > > Medskapande är hör för att stanna – dags att vässa er förmåga? > Co-creation is here to stay – time to sharpen your skills? > > Trainings/workshops 2020 > March
Re: [OSList] What's going on with the OST entry on Wikipedia lately?
Dear Koos, while I definitely know that you are the best person I know for this Wikipedia task, I demand that you include the content of what HO sent, see below, into the Wikipedia article on OST. It will shake them and pave the way for other paradigms and possibly start the destruction of the old paradigms that are so apparent in the encyclopedic mindset and open up new venues not expected. If you dont fulfill my demand, no beer for you when you come to the WOSonOS in Berlin. Cheers mmp Am 19.02.2020 um 17:29 schrieb Harrison Owen via OSList: Go for it Koos! For myself, I am out of the game. When Wikipedia first happened I was invited to do something on OST. Which I did. From then on we/I got well intentioned notes to “use impartial 3^rd party sources. Two problems: The only source I had is me (hardly impartial) AND nobody in the Academic community has seen fit to write a serious peer reviewed article about OST. Weird, but understandable – a whole mess of tenured positions could be at stake! Just imagine what would happen to the Organization Design Depts. If Open Space actually worked, and worse yet… was actually chronicled and certified as “working” – whatever that might mean. Academic heads would definitely roll! And with good reason. One of the last times I worked with a large (American) corporation on a “sticky issue” the assembled group did in two days what they had previously failed to do in two years. The chief of that operation called me on the Monday to tell me that “He hated me.” He had two reasons: 1) He now had to return to all the boring corporate meetings – knowing full well that an alternative does exist. 2) He also had to admit that two years of intense (expensive) effort had produced failure – which had been rectified in two days – with virtually no effort on his part. Great addition to the CV! And I’m supposed to write-up this kind of stuff? Crazy I am … but masochistic NO-Way. Good luck. And no this was not AT Bigger and richer! ho *From:*OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf Of *Koos de Heer via OSList *Sent:* Wednesday, February 19, 2020 9:19 AM *To:* 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' *Cc:* Koos de Heer *Subject:* Re: [OSList] What's going on with the OST entry on Wikipedia lately? Dear friends, Why wait until WOSonOS? Editing Wikipedia pages is not difficult. I am a Wikipedia editor myself, it is not hard to learn. Wikipedia is like Open Space. Anyone with a good mind and a good heart can do it. I am willing to have a go at correcting the mistakes. Anyone of you who will be reading my improvements and who wants to suggest further edits, is welcome to email me and I will process it as soon as I have time. This week is quite busy for me already, it may have to wait until the weekend before I get around to making the first edits. If you are OK with this plan, I will do it within a week and I will let you know when I have worked on it. Wishing you all a great day Koos de Heer *Van:*OSList *Namens *Thomas Herrmann via OSList *Verzonden:* woensdag 19 februari 2020 14:01 *Aan:* 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' *CC:* Thomas Herrmann *Onderwerp:* Re: [OSList] What's going on with the OST entry on Wikipedia lately? Sounds like a great idea to me Bhavesh, as long as she/he understands the context, then whoever comes and what & where ever it happens… Looking forward to meeting many of you! Thomas Herrmann Open Space Consulting AB Pensévägen 4, 434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81 Email: tho...@openspaceconsulting.com <mailto:tho...@openspaceconsulting.com> Homepage: www.openspaceconsulting.com <http://www.openspaceconsulting.com/> Profile on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult <http://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult> Company page on Facebook: www.facebook.com/OpenSpaceConsulting <http://www.facebook.com/OpenSpaceConsulting> Open Space Consulting frigör livskraft i människor, organisationer och samhälle. We release lifepower in people, organizations and society. ** /Medskapande är hör för att stanna – dags att vässa er förmåga?/ /Co-creation is here to stay – time to sharpen your skills?/ *Trainings/workshops 2020* March 12 Online erfa-utbyte om Open Space-metoden (gratis!) March 25 5toFold Decision making (online). Genuine Contact Speciality workshops April 2-3 Cross Cultural Conflict Resolution – Netherlands June 7-11 Från vanespår till integration – den glömda kreativiteten. Öland, Sweden (From old habits to integration – the hidden creativity) Sept 1-3 Working with Open Space Technology - Netherlands Sept 4-5 Genuine Contact Mentoring circle, Amsterdam Netherlands Oct 25-27 Working with Whole Person Process Facilitation – Berlin, Germany *Trainings/workshops 2021* Febr 2-5 Genuine Contact Organization – Netherlands Apr
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THIS is an AMAZING testimonial even if not from an impartial 3rd party sources b *Let's GO!* *Barry Owen* CEO/Principal Broker *Pareto Realty, LLC *\pə-ˈrā-(ˌ)tō\ <http://www.merriam-webster.com/audio.php?file=bixpar02=Pareto=%5Cp%C9%99-%3CSPAN%20class%3Dunicode%3E%CB%88%3C%2FSPAN%3Er%C4%81-(%3CSPAN%20class%3Dunicode%3E%CB%8C%3C%2FSPAN%3E)t%C5%8D%5C> *The Vital Few* 4004 Hillsboro Pike Ste 234-B Nashville, TN 37215 Office: 615-502-2080 Connect: *615-568-2123* *BarryOwen.US <http://BarryOwen.US>* *I help people buy/sell houses in West Nashville & Brentwood * As Owner and Principal Broker of Pareto Realty . . .*I coach and support the “Vital Few” member agents of Pareto Realty in their pursuit of building and growing consistently productive niche businesses as they enjoy the healthy life rhythm they want and deserve.* *IMPORTANT NOTICE:* *Never trust wiring instructions sent via email.* Cyber criminals are hacking email accounts and sending emails with fake wiring instructions. These emails are convincing and sophisticated. *Always* independently confirm wiring instructions in person or via a telephone call to a trusted and verified phone number. *Never* wire money without double-checking that the wiring instructions are correct. On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 10:29 AM Harrison Owen via OSList < oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote: > Go for it Koos! For myself, I am out of the game. When Wikipedia first > happened I was invited to do something on OST. Which I did. From then on > we/I got well intentioned notes to “use impartial 3rd party sources. Two > problems: The only source I had is me (hardly impartial) AND nobody in the > Academic community has seen fit to write a serious peer reviewed article > about OST. Weird, but understandable – a whole mess of tenured positions > could be at stake! Just imagine what would happen to the Organization > Design Depts. If Open Space actually worked, and worse yet… was actually > chronicled and certified as “working” – whatever that might mean. Academic > heads would definitely roll! And with good reason. One of the last times I > worked with a large (American) corporation on a “sticky issue” the > assembled group did in two days what they had previously failed to do in > two years. The chief of that operation called me on the Monday to tell me > that “He hated me.” He had two reasons: 1) He now had to return to all the > boring corporate meetings – knowing full well that an alternative does > exist. 2) He also had to admit that two years of intense (expensive) effort > had produced failure – which had been rectified in two days – with > virtually no effort on his part. Great addition to the CV! And I’m supposed > to write-up this kind of stuff? Crazy I am … but masochistic NO-Way. Good > luck. And no this was not AT Bigger and richer! > > > > ho > > > > *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf > Of *Koos de Heer via OSList > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 19, 2020 9:19 AM > *To:* 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' > *Cc:* Koos de Heer > *Subject:* Re: [OSList] What's going on with the OST entry on Wikipedia > lately? > > > > Dear friends, > > > > Why wait until WOSonOS? Editing Wikipedia pages is not difficult. I am a > Wikipedia editor myself, it is not hard to learn. Wikipedia is like Open > Space. Anyone with a good mind and a good heart can do it. > > > > I am willing to have a go at correcting the mistakes. Anyone of you who > will be reading my improvements and who wants to suggest further edits, is > welcome to email me and I will process it as soon as I have time. > > > > This week is quite busy for me already, it may have to wait until the > weekend before I get around to making the first edits. If you are OK with > this plan, I will do it within a week and I will let you know when I have > worked on it. > > > > Wishing you all a great day > > > > Koos de Heer > > > > > > *Van:* OSList *Namens *Thomas > Herrmann via OSList > *Verzonden:* woensdag 19 februari 2020 14:01 > *Aan:* 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' < > oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > *CC:* Thomas Herrmann > *Onderwerp:* Re: [OSList] What's going on with the OST entry on Wikipedia > lately? > > > > Sounds like a great idea to me Bhavesh, as long as she/he understands the > context, then whoever comes and what & where ever it happens… > > Looking forward to meeting many of you! > > > > Thomas Herrmann > > Open Space Consulting AB > > Pensévägen 4, 434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden > > Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81 > > Email: tho...@openspaceconsulting.com > > Homepage: www.openspaceconsulting.com > > Profile on
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Ha, you might want to look at design unbound by Julian Pendleton and Brown (MIT)… I see a space for OS in that paradigm. Or then again.. You may have better things to do ☺ From: OSList on behalf of Harrison Owen via OSList Reply to: World wide Open Space Technology email list Date: Wednesday, 19 February 2020 at 16:42 To: "k...@auryn.nl" , 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' Cc: Harrison Owen Subject: Re: [OSList] What's going on with the OST entry on Wikipedia lately? Go for it Koos! For myself, I am out of the game. When Wikipedia first happened I was invited to do something on OST. Which I did. From then on we/I got well intentioned notes to “use impartial 3rd party sources. Two problems: The only source I had is me (hardly impartial) AND nobody in the Academic community has seen fit to write a serious peer reviewed article about OST. Weird, but understandable – a whole mess of tenured positions could be at stake! Just imagine what would happen to the Organization Design Depts. If Open Space actually worked, and worse yet… was actually chronicled and certified as “working” – whatever that might mean. Academic heads would definitely roll! And with good reason. One of the last times I worked with a large (American) corporation on a “sticky issue” the assembled group did in two days what they had previously failed to do in two years. The chief of that operation called me on the Monday to tell me that “He hated me.” He had two reasons: 1) He now had to return to all the boring corporate meetings – knowing full well that an alternative does exist. 2) He also had to admit that two years of intense (expensive) effort had produced failure – which had been rectified in two days – with virtually no effort on his part. Great addition to the CV! And I’m supposed to write-up this kind of stuff? Crazy I am … but masochistic NO-Way. Good luck. And no this was not AT Bigger and richer! ho From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Koos de Heer via OSList Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 9:19 AM To: 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' Cc: Koos de Heer Subject: Re: [OSList] What's going on with the OST entry on Wikipedia lately? Dear friends, Why wait until WOSonOS? Editing Wikipedia pages is not difficult. I am a Wikipedia editor myself, it is not hard to learn. Wikipedia is like Open Space. Anyone with a good mind and a good heart can do it. I am willing to have a go at correcting the mistakes. Anyone of you who will be reading my improvements and who wants to suggest further edits, is welcome to email me and I will process it as soon as I have time. This week is quite busy for me already, it may have to wait until the weekend before I get around to making the first edits. If you are OK with this plan, I will do it within a week and I will let you know when I have worked on it. Wishing you all a great day Koos de Heer Van: OSList Namens Thomas Herrmann via OSList Verzonden: woensdag 19 februari 2020 14:01 Aan: 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' CC: Thomas Herrmann Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] What's going on with the OST entry on Wikipedia lately? Sounds like a great idea to me Bhavesh, as long as she/he understands the context, then whoever comes and what & where ever it happens… Looking forward to meeting many of you! Thomas Herrmann Open Space Consulting AB Pensévägen 4, 434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81 Email: tho...@openspaceconsulting.com<mailto:tho...@openspaceconsulting.com> Homepage: www.openspaceconsulting.com<https://url6.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1j4SEM-00081U-4L=57e1b682=Yc2fYYe790IxsFl_q26aljx2RoW3cjmLLF_fEPCe1R5h4kYmYKnRvbMfHwqKOAvrNo8DaAPkc0NwdAWxlPlOVvklk_xsuz1tUaZ08MHjioMU_LtMInD4hMmBntmO1VwmFCvmazwTX6jvou2x37fkwmZqogSA_9XJ5Nn3KQPaAqGWa_ptcJ1tSyoPZrNm0JJpwYgx9mFY-46qXoMpJgLwj0jWfFZH4En5oU35A1cQT8g> Profile on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult<https://url6.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1j4SEM-00081U-4L=57e1b682=ZKlmd4wkEb0XwEfVvPObaG23M7IJmgdM-g2SojiguPAJq5RgU-9eS3HM0GTz5cwkivknYmYJWoiVjeTYw9k6OOgaXiHlHrtwlZ0tVhhNR1xF_XKFifSiHZf1eg0J99GezwIDWIKzPGAJD4WCX6eCCy8WZ3Vmgh2nfSOuFJhOFOIJZZBHsq21pTbf2-gqgMambIa7R0jj9BpXte_aFNbXV1flQw0q7Sbb-IyIR4QgpE9xWntMASpDnnO65aGW4pZTi3rafVp2eHjmgMMwx-g8XA> Company page on Facebook: www.facebook.com/OpenSpaceConsulting<https://url6.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1j4SEM-00081U-4L=57e1b682=wOeIDG_lvd002ygq7h7Xp6dz3haAN_CBcxsKIMW0hb_UpSPad6htr8IMi8NxWFd1q4U1xtIxCLd6u6O-ypim-xnfDj1qgZI4-3fg8bCBD9PQjVVzUoKorMztzzQllKRTCNAYMEi4GTouprphEBLrgRjltZn-aSldKQVHzK1neE_sZHKg4Ae33GIdqYe8dHMFO5wCYahCRXckogOiMjb74iu4IaWBXuuDgXzFYgZCET9EAfYmwEuN28Bazq-j0HxI> Open Space Consulting frigör livskraft i människor, organisationer och samhälle. We release lifepower in people, organizations and society. Medskapande är hör för att stanna – dags att vässa er förmåga? Co-creation is here to stay – time to sharpen your skil
Re: [OSList] What's going on with the OST entry on Wikipedia lately?
Go for it Koos! For myself, I am out of the game. When Wikipedia first happened I was invited to do something on OST. Which I did. From then on we/I got well intentioned notes to “use impartial 3rd party sources. Two problems: The only source I had is me (hardly impartial) AND nobody in the Academic community has seen fit to write a serious peer reviewed article about OST. Weird, but understandable – a whole mess of tenured positions could be at stake! Just imagine what would happen to the Organization Design Depts. If Open Space actually worked, and worse yet… was actually chronicled and certified as “working” – whatever that might mean. Academic heads would definitely roll! And with good reason. One of the last times I worked with a large (American) corporation on a “sticky issue” the assembled group did in two days what they had previously failed to do in two years. The chief of that operation called me on the Monday to tell me that “He hated me.” He had two reasons: 1) He now had to return to all the boring corporate meetings – knowing full well that an alternative does exist. 2) He also had to admit that two years of intense (expensive) effort had produced failure – which had been rectified in two days – with virtually no effort on his part. Great addition to the CV! And I’m supposed to write-up this kind of stuff? Crazy I am … but masochistic NO-Way. Good luck. And no this was not AT Bigger and richer! ho From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Koos de Heer via OSList Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 9:19 AM To: 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' Cc: Koos de Heer Subject: Re: [OSList] What's going on with the OST entry on Wikipedia lately? Dear friends, Why wait until WOSonOS? Editing Wikipedia pages is not difficult. I am a Wikipedia editor myself, it is not hard to learn. Wikipedia is like Open Space. Anyone with a good mind and a good heart can do it. I am willing to have a go at correcting the mistakes. Anyone of you who will be reading my improvements and who wants to suggest further edits, is welcome to email me and I will process it as soon as I have time. This week is quite busy for me already, it may have to wait until the weekend before I get around to making the first edits. If you are OK with this plan, I will do it within a week and I will let you know when I have worked on it. Wishing you all a great day Koos de Heer Van: OSList Namens Thomas Herrmann via OSList Verzonden: woensdag 19 februari 2020 14:01 Aan: 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' CC: Thomas Herrmann Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] What's going on with the OST entry on Wikipedia lately? Sounds like a great idea to me Bhavesh, as long as she/he understands the context, then whoever comes and what & where ever it happens… Looking forward to meeting many of you! Thomas Herrmann Open Space Consulting AB Pensévägen 4, 434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81 Email: tho...@openspaceconsulting.com Homepage: <http://www.openspaceconsulting.com/> www.openspaceconsulting.com Profile on LinkedIn: <http://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult> www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult Company page on Facebook: <http://www.facebook.com/OpenSpaceConsulting> www.facebook.com/OpenSpaceConsulting Open Space Consulting frigör livskraft i människor, organisationer och samhälle. We release lifepower in people, organizations and society. Medskapande är hör för att stanna – dags att vässa er förmåga? Co-creation is here to stay – time to sharpen your skills? Trainings/workshops 2020 March 12 Online erfa-utbyte om Open Space-metoden (gratis!) March 25 5toFold Decision making (online). Genuine Contact Speciality workshops April 2-3 Cross Cultural Conflict Resolution – Netherlands June 7-11 Från vanespår till integration – den glömda kreativiteten. Öland, Sweden (From old habits to integration – the hidden creativity) Sept 1-3 Working with Open Space Technology - Netherlands Sept 4-5 Genuine Contact Mentoring circle, Amsterdam Netherlands Oct 25-27 Working with Whole Person Process Facilitation – Berlin, Germany Trainings/workshops 2021 Febr 2-5 Genuine Contact Organization – Netherlands Apr 12-16 Genuine Contact Train the Trainer - Netherlands More info & registration: <http://www.openspaceconsulting.com/> www.openspaceconsulting.com (Aktiviteter) Or get in touch via email <mailto:tho...@openspaceconsulting.com> tho...@openspaceconsulting.com Från: OSList För Bhavesh Patel via OSList Skickat: den 19 februari 2020 10:52 Till: World wide Open Space Technology email list Kopia: Bhavesh Patel ; Michael M Pannwitz Ämne: Re: [OSList] What's going on with the OST entry on Wikipedia lately? And here is a random idea. Berlin has the second biggest Wik
Re: [OSList] What's going on with the OST entry on Wikipedia lately?
Dear friends, Why wait until WOSonOS? Editing Wikipedia pages is not difficult. I am a Wikipedia editor myself, it is not hard to learn. Wikipedia is like Open Space. Anyone with a good mind and a good heart can do it. I am willing to have a go at correcting the mistakes. Anyone of you who will be reading my improvements and who wants to suggest further edits, is welcome to email me and I will process it as soon as I have time. This week is quite busy for me already, it may have to wait until the weekend before I get around to making the first edits. If you are OK with this plan, I will do it within a week and I will let you know when I have worked on it. Wishing you all a great day Koos de Heer Van: OSList Namens Thomas Herrmann via OSList Verzonden: woensdag 19 februari 2020 14:01 Aan: 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' CC: Thomas Herrmann Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] What's going on with the OST entry on Wikipedia lately? Sounds like a great idea to me Bhavesh, as long as she/he understands the context, then whoever comes and what & where ever it happens… Looking forward to meeting many of you! Thomas Herrmann Open Space Consulting AB Pensévägen 4, 434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81 Email: tho...@openspaceconsulting.com <mailto:tho...@openspaceconsulting.com> Homepage: <http://www.openspaceconsulting.com/> www.openspaceconsulting.com Profile on LinkedIn: <http://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult> www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult Company page on Facebook: <http://www.facebook.com/OpenSpaceConsulting> www.facebook.com/OpenSpaceConsulting Open Space Consulting frigör livskraft i människor, organisationer och samhälle. We release lifepower in people, organizations and society. Medskapande är hör för att stanna – dags att vässa er förmåga? Co-creation is here to stay – time to sharpen your skills? Trainings/workshops 2020 March 12 Online erfa-utbyte om Open Space-metoden (gratis!) March 25 5toFold Decision making (online). Genuine Contact Speciality workshops April 2-3 Cross Cultural Conflict Resolution – Netherlands June 7-11 Från vanespår till integration – den glömda kreativiteten. Öland, Sweden (From old habits to integration – the hidden creativity) Sept 1-3 Working with Open Space Technology - Netherlands Sept 4-5 Genuine Contact Mentoring circle, Amsterdam Netherlands Oct 25-27 Working with Whole Person Process Facilitation – Berlin, Germany Trainings/workshops 2021 Febr 2-5 Genuine Contact Organization – Netherlands Apr 12-16 Genuine Contact Train the Trainer - Netherlands More info & registration: <http://www.openspaceconsulting.com/> www.openspaceconsulting.com (Aktiviteter) Or get in touch via email <mailto:tho...@openspaceconsulting.com> tho...@openspaceconsulting.com Från: OSList mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> > För Bhavesh Patel via OSList Skickat: den 19 februari 2020 10:52 Till: World wide Open Space Technology email list mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > Kopia: Bhavesh Patel mailto:bhavm...@gmail.com> >; Michael M Pannwitz mailto:mmpannw...@gmail.com> > Ämne: Re: [OSList] What's going on with the OST entry on Wikipedia lately? And here is a random idea. Berlin has the second biggest Wikipedia organisation in the world, over 100 people. One of the things that Wikipedians love to do is to run live 'learn how to edit the Wikipedia' sessions. I am quite connected with the Berlin organisation, and Jo T has met them as well. I could ask if: * Someone from the Berlin Wikipedia community wants to offer an editing session at the WOSonOS. * Whoever shows up for that session will both learn how to edit the Wikipedia and practice editing by working on the Open Space Technology page. What do you think/feel? On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 at 11:38, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > wrote: Dear Steve, first impression I had on reading the wikipedia entry was: Sabotage. I checked the German version. Even though I am not happy with it (being a radical purist) its more or less ok. In the meantime, the actual practice is far more developed as well as the understanding what OST is really about (expand time and space for the force of selforganisation to unfold) is not reflected upon. It seems to me the next WOSonOS in October in Berlin is an opportunity for all interested in this to post the wikipedia entry as an issue. Maybe even in different languages (I never would suggest translating the english version into another language), such as German, Swedish, Chinese, Hebrew, Dutch, Italian (I am suggesting these knowing that folks from countries where these languages are common will be at the WOSonOS). In general, I love
Re: [OSList] What's going on with the OST entry on Wikipedia lately?
Yes, Bhav!
And I share the thought of Thomas, the wise man fromn Sweden: Nobody
might show up or all of them will come. Selforganisation will take care
of it. And if nobody comes, the Wikiperson might enjoy the break and
turn into a butterfly or join a group on something that interests
her/him much more than this over and over editing stuff.
See you in October and if you are in Berlin, or any of you reading this,
before the WOSonOS there is always a good chance of an extraordinary
Stammtisch.
cheers
mmp
Am 19.02.2020 um 14:01 schrieb Thomas Herrmann via OSList:
Sounds like a great idea to me Bhavesh, as long as she/he understands
the context, then whoever comes and what & where ever it happens…
Looking forward to meeting many of you!
Thomas Herrmann
Open Space Consulting AB
Pensévägen 4, 434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden
Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81
Email: tho...@openspaceconsulting.com
Homepage: www.openspaceconsulting.com <http://www.openspaceconsulting.com/>
Profile on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult>
Company page on Facebook: www.facebook.com/OpenSpaceConsulting
<http://www.facebook.com/OpenSpaceConsulting>
Open Space Consulting frigör livskraft i människor, organisationer och
samhälle.
We release lifepower in people, organizations and society.
**
/Medskapande är hör för att stanna – dags att vässa er förmåga?/
/Co-creation is here to stay – time to sharpen your skills?/
*Trainings/workshops 2020*
March 12 Online erfa-utbyte om Open Space-metoden (gratis!)
March 25 5toFold Decision making (online). Genuine Contact Speciality
workshops
April 2-3 Cross Cultural Conflict Resolution – Netherlands
June 7-11 Från vanespår till integration – den glömda kreativiteten.
Öland, Sweden
(From old habits to integration – the hidden creativity)
Sept 1-3 Working with Open Space Technology - Netherlands
Sept 4-5 Genuine Contact Mentoring circle, Amsterdam Netherlands
Oct 25-27 Working with Whole Person Process Facilitation – Berlin, Germany
*Trainings/workshops 2021*
Febr 2-5 Genuine Contact Organization – Netherlands
Apr 12-16 Genuine Contact Train the Trainer - Netherlands
More info & registration: www.openspaceconsulting.com
<http://www.openspaceconsulting.com/>(Aktiviteter)
Or get in touch via email tho...@openspaceconsulting.com
<mailto:tho...@openspaceconsulting.com>
*Från:* OSList *För *Bhavesh
Patel via OSList
*Skickat:* den 19 februari 2020 10:52
*Till:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
*Kopia:* Bhavesh Patel ; Michael M Pannwitz
*Ämne:* Re: [OSList] What's going on with the OST entry on Wikipedia lately?
And here is a random idea.
Berlin has the second biggest Wikipedia organisation in the world, over
100 people.
One of the things that Wikipedians love to do is to run live 'learn how
to edit the Wikipedia' sessions.
I am quite connected with the Berlin organisation, and Jo T has met them
as well.
I could ask if:
* Someone from the Berlin Wikipedia community wants to offer an
editing session at the WOSonOS.
* Whoever shows up for that session will both learn how to edit the
Wikipedia and practice editing by working on the Open Space
Technology page.
*What do you think/feel?*
On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 at 11:38, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList
mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>>
wrote:
Dear Steve,
first impression I had on reading the wikipedia entry was: Sabotage.
I checked the German version. Even though I am not happy with it (being
a radical purist) its more or less ok. In the meantime, the actual
practice is far more developed as well as the understanding what OST is
really about (expand time and space for the force of
selforganisation to
unfold) is not reflected upon.
It seems to me the next WOSonOS in October in Berlin is an opportunity
for all interested in this to post the wikipedia entry as an issue.
Maybe even in different languages (I never would suggest translating
the
english version into another language), such as German, Swedish,
Chinese, Hebrew, Dutch, Italian (I am suggesting these knowing that
folks from countries where these languages are common will be at the
WOSonOS).
In general, I love wikipedia and the way that stuff is characterized
("This article contains content that is written like an advertisement.
Please help improve it by removing promotional content and
inappropriate
external links, and by adding encyclopedic content written from a
neutral point of view. (July 2018) (Learn how and when to remove this
template message") gives you hints on the quality of the entry.
There seems to be no way of avoiding folks messing with an entry that
are from a different planet.
Greetings from Berlin
mmp
Am 19.02.2020 um
Re: [OSList] What's going on with the OST entry on Wikipedia lately?
Sounds like a great idea to me Bhavesh, as long as she/he understands the
context, then whoever comes and what & where ever it happens…
Looking forward to meeting many of you!
Thomas Herrmann
Open Space Consulting AB
Pensévägen 4, 434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden
Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81
Email: tho...@openspaceconsulting.com
Homepage: <http://www.openspaceconsulting.com/> www.openspaceconsulting.com
Profile on LinkedIn:
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult>
www.linkedin.com/in/thomasherrmannopenspaceconsult
Company page on Facebook: <http://www.facebook.com/OpenSpaceConsulting>
www.facebook.com/OpenSpaceConsulting
Open Space Consulting frigör livskraft i människor, organisationer och samhälle.
We release lifepower in people, organizations and society.
Medskapande är hör för att stanna – dags att vässa er förmåga?
Co-creation is here to stay – time to sharpen your skills?
Trainings/workshops 2020
March 12 Online erfa-utbyte om Open Space-metoden (gratis!)
March 25 5toFold Decision making (online). Genuine Contact Speciality workshops
April 2-3 Cross Cultural Conflict Resolution – Netherlands
June 7-11 Från vanespår till integration – den glömda kreativiteten. Öland,
Sweden
(From old habits to integration – the hidden creativity)
Sept 1-3 Working with Open Space Technology - Netherlands
Sept 4-5 Genuine Contact Mentoring circle, Amsterdam Netherlands
Oct 25-27 Working with Whole Person Process Facilitation – Berlin, Germany
Trainings/workshops 2021
Febr 2-5 Genuine Contact Organization – Netherlands
Apr 12-16 Genuine Contact Train the Trainer - Netherlands
More info & registration: <http://www.openspaceconsulting.com/>
www.openspaceconsulting.com (Aktiviteter)
Or get in touch via email <mailto:tho...@openspaceconsulting.com>
tho...@openspaceconsulting.com
Från: OSList För Bhavesh Patel via
OSList
Skickat: den 19 februari 2020 10:52
Till: World wide Open Space Technology email list
Kopia: Bhavesh Patel ; Michael M Pannwitz
Ämne: Re: [OSList] What's going on with the OST entry on Wikipedia lately?
And here is a random idea.
Berlin has the second biggest Wikipedia organisation in the world, over 100
people.
One of the things that Wikipedians love to do is to run live 'learn how to edit
the Wikipedia' sessions.
I am quite connected with the Berlin organisation, and Jo T has met them as
well.
I could ask if:
* Someone from the Berlin Wikipedia community wants to offer an editing
session at the WOSonOS.
* Whoever shows up for that session will both learn how to edit the
Wikipedia and practice editing by working on the Open Space Technology page.
What do you think/feel?
On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 at 11:38, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList
mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > wrote:
Dear Steve,
first impression I had on reading the wikipedia entry was: Sabotage.
I checked the German version. Even though I am not happy with it (being
a radical purist) its more or less ok. In the meantime, the actual
practice is far more developed as well as the understanding what OST is
really about (expand time and space for the force of selforganisation to
unfold) is not reflected upon.
It seems to me the next WOSonOS in October in Berlin is an opportunity
for all interested in this to post the wikipedia entry as an issue.
Maybe even in different languages (I never would suggest translating the
english version into another language), such as German, Swedish,
Chinese, Hebrew, Dutch, Italian (I am suggesting these knowing that
folks from countries where these languages are common will be at the
WOSonOS).
In general, I love wikipedia and the way that stuff is characterized
("This article contains content that is written like an advertisement.
Please help improve it by removing promotional content and inappropriate
external links, and by adding encyclopedic content written from a
neutral point of view. (July 2018) (Learn how and when to remove this
template message") gives you hints on the quality of the entry.
There seems to be no way of avoiding folks messing with an entry that
are from a different planet.
Greetings from Berlin
mmp
Am 19.02.2020 um 00:27 schrieb Steve Holyer via OSList:
> Hi Ya'll,
>
> Yesterday, I checked Wikipedia for a quick encyclopedic description of
> Open Space Technology.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Space_Technology
>
> It seems that several edits were made in the last 6 months ago or so. Up
> until mid 2019 I thought the wikipedia entry was good (if lacking in
> some nuance out of necessity). After changes, the current entry
> describes a very unusual Open Space. The Open Space it describes is not
> an Open Space that I want to be a part of.
>
> I recognise Wikipedia is not going to be perfect, but I fee
Re: [OSList] What's going on with the OST entry on Wikipedia lately?
And here is a random idea.
Berlin has the second biggest Wikipedia organisation in the world, over 100
people.
One of the things that Wikipedians love to do is to run live 'learn how to
edit the Wikipedia' sessions.
I am quite connected with the Berlin organisation, and Jo T has met them as
well.
I could ask if:
- Someone from the Berlin Wikipedia community wants to offer an editing
session at the WOSonOS.
- Whoever shows up for that session will both learn how to edit the
Wikipedia and practice editing by working on the Open Space Technology page.
*What do you think/feel?*
On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 at 11:38, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
> Dear Steve,
>
> first impression I had on reading the wikipedia entry was: Sabotage.
>
> I checked the German version. Even though I am not happy with it (being
> a radical purist) its more or less ok. In the meantime, the actual
> practice is far more developed as well as the understanding what OST is
> really about (expand time and space for the force of selforganisation to
> unfold) is not reflected upon.
>
> It seems to me the next WOSonOS in October in Berlin is an opportunity
> for all interested in this to post the wikipedia entry as an issue.
> Maybe even in different languages (I never would suggest translating the
> english version into another language), such as German, Swedish,
> Chinese, Hebrew, Dutch, Italian (I am suggesting these knowing that
> folks from countries where these languages are common will be at the
> WOSonOS).
>
> In general, I love wikipedia and the way that stuff is characterized
> ("This article contains content that is written like an advertisement.
> Please help improve it by removing promotional content and inappropriate
> external links, and by adding encyclopedic content written from a
> neutral point of view. (July 2018) (Learn how and when to remove this
> template message") gives you hints on the quality of the entry.
> There seems to be no way of avoiding folks messing with an entry that
> are from a different planet.
>
> Greetings from Berlin
> mmp
>
>
> Am 19.02.2020 um 00:27 schrieb Steve Holyer via OSList:
> > Hi Ya'll,
> >
> > Yesterday, I checked Wikipedia for a quick encyclopedic description of
> > Open Space Technology.
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Space_Technology
> >
> > It seems that several edits were made in the last 6 months ago or so. Up
> > until mid 2019 I thought the wikipedia entry was good (if lacking in
> > some nuance out of necessity). After changes, the current entry
> > describes a very unusual Open Space. The Open Space it describes is not
> > an Open Space that I want to be a part of.
> >
> > I recognise Wikipedia is not going to be perfect, but I feel like the
> > current entry is actually misleading, and I think it's harmful. I'd
> > like to do something about that.
> >
> > I'm raising this to the OSLIST because I see that Harrison, Chris
> > Corrigan and others were actively making edits on the Wikipedia entry
> > and discussing it on this list between 2008 and 2015 at least. I don'
> > see anyone from this community working on this now (although I could
> > have missed some signs). However, I know there is history and
> > experience here dealing with the Wikipedia ecosystem.
> >
> > If it's a good use of time and energy, I can help make edits to the
> > page, but my question is how would we approach this as member of the
> > community on OSLIST? What experience and history can members here bring
> > to bear.
> >
> > (Btw this IS my first posting to OLIST, but I've been lurking around,
> > and meeting different parts of
> > this community online and face to face.)
> >
> > That's the gist of my question. A few details/examples follow my
> signature.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Steve
> >
> > A few of the more outrageous details/examples (IMO)
> >
> > There is text that appears to describe the sponsor introducing paid
> > speakers in the opening. (I don't think a circle is mentioned).
> >
> > In fact, the article keeps referring to the "speakers" and the "speaking
> > schedule", which gives me the impression that Open Space is a talking
> > head conference that's simply easier to organise because you don't have
> > to make speaker schedules in advance.
> >
> > This statement from the article seems antithetical to Open Space
> > Technology to me: "At the end of the best open space meetings, a
> > debriefing document is compiled summarizing what worked and what did not
> > work, so the process can go more smoothly next time ... Constant
> > improvement of meeting design is vital for attendees to feel taken care
> > of and to creating the perception of value from the meeting proceedings."
> >
> > The article claims to be paraphrasing Micheal Hermann's post here at
> > OSWorld
> >
> https://web.archive.org/web/20150518200725/http://openspaceworld.org/wp2/what-is/
> > by stating: "Several meaningful outcomes can and should be specifically
>
Re: [OSList] What's going on with the OST entry on Wikipedia lately?
Dear Steve,
first impression I had on reading the wikipedia entry was: Sabotage.
I checked the German version. Even though I am not happy with it (being
a radical purist) its more or less ok. In the meantime, the actual
practice is far more developed as well as the understanding what OST is
really about (expand time and space for the force of selforganisation to
unfold) is not reflected upon.
It seems to me the next WOSonOS in October in Berlin is an opportunity
for all interested in this to post the wikipedia entry as an issue.
Maybe even in different languages (I never would suggest translating the
english version into another language), such as German, Swedish,
Chinese, Hebrew, Dutch, Italian (I am suggesting these knowing that
folks from countries where these languages are common will be at the
WOSonOS).
In general, I love wikipedia and the way that stuff is characterized
("This article contains content that is written like an advertisement.
Please help improve it by removing promotional content and inappropriate
external links, and by adding encyclopedic content written from a
neutral point of view. (July 2018) (Learn how and when to remove this
template message") gives you hints on the quality of the entry.
There seems to be no way of avoiding folks messing with an entry that
are from a different planet.
Greetings from Berlin
mmp
Am 19.02.2020 um 00:27 schrieb Steve Holyer via OSList:
Hi Ya'll,
Yesterday, I checked Wikipedia for a quick encyclopedic description of
Open Space Technology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Space_Technology
It seems that several edits were made in the last 6 months ago or so. Up
until mid 2019 I thought the wikipedia entry was good (if lacking in
some nuance out of necessity). After changes, the current entry
describes a very unusual Open Space. The Open Space it describes is not
an Open Space that I want to be a part of.
I recognise Wikipedia is not going to be perfect, but I feel like the
current entry is actually misleading, and I think it's harmful. I'd
like to do something about that.
I'm raising this to the OSLIST because I see that Harrison, Chris
Corrigan and others were actively making edits on the Wikipedia entry
and discussing it on this list between 2008 and 2015 at least. I don'
see anyone from this community working on this now (although I could
have missed some signs). However, I know there is history and
experience here dealing with the Wikipedia ecosystem.
If it's a good use of time and energy, I can help make edits to the
page, but my question is how would we approach this as member of the
community on OSLIST? What experience and history can members here bring
to bear.
(Btw this IS my first posting to OLIST, but I've been lurking around,
and meeting different parts of
this community online and face to face.)
That's the gist of my question. A few details/examples follow my signature.
Cheers,
Steve
A few of the more outrageous details/examples (IMO)
There is text that appears to describe the sponsor introducing paid
speakers in the opening. (I don't think a circle is mentioned).
In fact, the article keeps referring to the "speakers" and the "speaking
schedule", which gives me the impression that Open Space is a talking
head conference that's simply easier to organise because you don't have
to make speaker schedules in advance.
This statement from the article seems antithetical to Open Space
Technology to me: "At the end of the best open space meetings, a
debriefing document is compiled summarizing what worked and what did not
work, so the process can go more smoothly next time ... Constant
improvement of meeting design is vital for attendees to feel taken care
of and to creating the perception of value from the meeting proceedings."
The article claims to be paraphrasing Micheal Hermann's post here at
OSWorld
https://web.archive.org/web/20150518200725/http://openspaceworld.org/wp2/what-is/
by stating: "Several meaningful outcomes can and should be specifically
built into the process (safety, trust, courtesy)". I don't Michael says
anything of the sort. Don't think he would. But if he does say it, he
doesn't say it in the post referenced by the citation.
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[OSList] What's going on with the OST entry on Wikipedia lately?
Hi Ya'll, Yesterday, I checked Wikipedia for a quick encyclopedic description of Open Space Technology. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Space_Technology It seems that several edits were made in the last 6 months ago or so. Up until mid 2019 I thought the wikipedia entry was good (if lacking in some nuance out of necessity). After changes, the current entry describes a very unusual Open Space. The Open Space it describes is not an Open Space that I want to be a part of. I recognise Wikipedia is not going to be perfect, but I feel like the current entry is actually misleading, and I think it's harmful. I'd like to do something about that. I'm raising this to the OSLIST because I see that Harrison, Chris Corrigan and others were actively making edits on the Wikipedia entry and discussing it on this list between 2008 and 2015 at least. I don' see anyone from this community working on this now (although I could have missed some signs). However, I know there is history and experience here dealing with the Wikipedia ecosystem. If it's a good use of time and energy, I can help make edits to the page, but my question is how would we approach this as member of the community on OSLIST? What experience and history can members here bring to bear. (Btw this IS my first posting to OLIST, but I've been lurking around, and meeting different parts of this community online and face to face.) That's the gist of my question. A few details/examples follow my signature. Cheers, Steve A few of the more outrageous details/examples (IMO) There is text that appears to describe the sponsor introducing paid speakers in the opening. (I don't think a circle is mentioned). In fact, the article keeps referring to the "speakers" and the "speaking schedule", which gives me the impression that Open Space is a talking head conference that's simply easier to organise because you don't have to make speaker schedules in advance. This statement from the article seems antithetical to Open Space Technology to me: "At the end of the best open space meetings, a debriefing document is compiled summarizing what worked and what did not work, so the process can go more smoothly next time ... Constant improvement of meeting design is vital for attendees to feel taken care of and to creating the perception of value from the meeting proceedings." The article claims to be paraphrasing Micheal Hermann's post here at OSWorld https://web.archive.org/web/20150518200725/http://openspaceworld.org/wp2/what-is/ by stating: "Several meaningful outcomes can and should be specifically built into the process (safety, trust, courtesy)". I don't Michael says anything of the sort. Don't think he would. But if he does say it, he doesn't say it in the post referenced by the citation. ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org Past archives can be viewed here: http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
