Re: New video tutorial: GPX tracks

[Bart Eisenberg]

Here's the revised, published version: https://youtu.be/bjbqrVkFEtY

On Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 11:48:14 AM UTC-8, Bart Eisenberg wrote:
>
> Thanks Metaluc.  I do demonstrate the save button, but I'll add that it's 
> required for saving.  And good point about the subfolders--you can indeed 
> make your own.  I'll add that too.
>
> On Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 11:40:09 AM UTC-8, Metaluc wrote:
>>
>> Another great video. I always learn something new, or get clarification 
>> on a feature I did not completely understand!
>>
>> One clarification you might add is on use of the gpx button. I've lost 
>> long tracks because I failed to select the save function. Just assumed stop 
>> would automatically do a save.
>>
>> I thought I read that GPX tracks could be stored in sub-folder of the 
>> track folder. If true that might be a great feature for better organizing 
>> large track collections. Mention of that would be a useful addition to your 
>> video.
>>
>> I did not really understand why I'd want to split a track until I saw 
>> your example and showed the various graphs and statistics. Pretty cool.
>>
>> Osmand functionality never ceases to amaze me. Always does more than I 
>> expect. 
>> Your tutorial videos makes understanding the usefulness of new features, 
>> and the actual clicks necessary to do it very fast and easy to absorb.
>>
>> Thanks for your efforts.
>>
>>

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Measurement tool creates terrible detours sometimes when saving new tracks

[wandro]

Osmand 2.8.2: The distance measurement tool would draw a correct route 
initially, but when I save the route it would replace some sections of the 
route by terribly long detours, no matter whether or not  in snap-to-road 
mode.

See the attached sample track: In snap-to-road mode the two endpoints of 
the track had originally (in the drawing phase) been connected by the 
obvious short route, but after saving the route, a terribly long detour had 
been created and stored instead.

Is that an Osmand+ error? Is a workaround known?

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sample-track.gpx
Description: application/gpx

Re: Traveling duration / travelling speed

[Peter B]

... the test route is about 98 percent on motorway in germany and france.
So with a max speed of 80 kmh I should need about 5h20.
I don't know what speed values are used to get 4h01.


Am Montag, 29. Januar 2018 17:38:15 UTC+1 schrieb Peter B:
>
> I made a test:
> with profile car I got 
> 431 km, calculated duration 3h58
> With special profile truck
> 431 km, calculated duration 4h01
> so I the truck was only 3 minutes slower.
> The changed speed data are:
> (example truck=80, car=110)
> so I think the speed reduction has only a very small effect, it is to much 
> work for 3 minutes.
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> Am Montag, 29. Januar 2018 15:22:54 UTC+1 schrieb Peter B:
>>
>> Harry, thanks for your hints.
>> But how to do that if I don't want to change the profile of "car" but 
>> want to have a separate profile for "truck"  with the appropriate changes ?
>> See my questions in
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/osmand/3YdLYzCkXJM
>> Regards Peter
>>
>> Am Montag, 29. Januar 2018 13:42:47 UTC+1 schrieb Harry van der Wolf:
>>>
>>> MapFactor Navigator only allows for correct truck driving if you buy the 
>>> Tomtom maps. You can indeed set vehicle height, width and weight, but it is 
>>> not used unless you have the Tomtom maps.
>>>
>>> OsmAnd uses internally a routing.xml. It also contains road speeds and 
>>> max speed.
>>>
>>> max speed: 
>>> https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/master/routing/routing.xml#L50
>>>
>>> With regard to speeds per road: 
>>> https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/master/routing/routing.xml#L266
>>>
>>> Download that file to your computer, edit it and put it in the Osmand 
>>> folder "/Android/data/net.osmand(.plus)/files" on your internal memory or 
>>> sdcard, wherever you told Osmand to store its data.
>>>
>>> Really close Osmand and after opening Osmand again, it should use it.
>>>
>>> Harry
>>>
>>> 2018-01-28 20:04 GMT+01:00 Poutnik :
>>>
 AFAIK, Mapsfactor Navigator, also based on OSM,
 does allow to set the custom profile, with custom speed for all road 
 kinds.
 Definitely worth of trying.

 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mapfactor.navigator

 Dne 28/01/2018 v 17:41 We Ka napsal(a):
 > [...
 >
 > From my point of view, there's just one thing that needs to be fixed,
 > and that's the travelling duration: you can not drive 161 kilometres
 > in 1 hour and 41 minutes with a truck, not even on an empty German
 > autobahn in the middle of the night! :)
 >
 > The app is in desperate need of the possibility to set the travelling
 > speeds for each kind of road, and that's true for all modes, not only
 > for trucks!

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Re: Traveling duration / travelling speed

[Peter B]

I made a test:
with profile car I got 
431 km, calculated duration 3h58
With special profile truck
431 km, calculated duration 4h01
so I the truck was only 3 minutes slower.
The changed speed data are:
(example truck=80, car=110)
so I think the speed reduction has only a very small effect, it is to much 
work for 3 minutes.




  
















Am Montag, 29. Januar 2018 15:22:54 UTC+1 schrieb Peter B:
>
> Harry, thanks for your hints.
> But how to do that if I don't want to change the profile of "car" but want 
> to have a separate profile for "truck"  with the appropriate changes ?
> See my questions in
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/osmand/3YdLYzCkXJM
> Regards Peter
>
> Am Montag, 29. Januar 2018 13:42:47 UTC+1 schrieb Harry van der Wolf:
>>
>> MapFactor Navigator only allows for correct truck driving if you buy the 
>> Tomtom maps. You can indeed set vehicle height, width and weight, but it is 
>> not used unless you have the Tomtom maps.
>>
>> OsmAnd uses internally a routing.xml. It also contains road speeds and 
>> max speed.
>>
>> max speed: 
>> https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/master/routing/routing.xml#L50
>>
>> With regard to speeds per road: 
>> https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/master/routing/routing.xml#L266
>>
>> Download that file to your computer, edit it and put it in the Osmand 
>> folder "/Android/data/net.osmand(.plus)/files" on your internal memory or 
>> sdcard, wherever you told Osmand to store its data.
>>
>> Really close Osmand and after opening Osmand again, it should use it.
>>
>> Harry
>>
>> 2018-01-28 20:04 GMT+01:00 Poutnik :
>>
>>> AFAIK, Mapsfactor Navigator, also based on OSM,
>>> does allow to set the custom profile, with custom speed for all road 
>>> kinds.
>>> Definitely worth of trying.
>>>
>>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mapfactor.navigator
>>>
>>> Dne 28/01/2018 v 17:41 We Ka napsal(a):
>>> > [...
>>> >
>>> > From my point of view, there's just one thing that needs to be fixed,
>>> > and that's the travelling duration: you can not drive 161 kilometres
>>> > in 1 hour and 41 minutes with a truck, not even on an empty German
>>> > autobahn in the middle of the night! :)
>>> >
>>> > The app is in desperate need of the possibility to set the travelling
>>> > speeds for each kind of road, and that's true for all modes, not only
>>> > for trucks!
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>> My Brouter profiles
>>> https://github.com/poutnikl/Brouter-profiles/wiki
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Re: Traveling duration / travelling speed

[Harry van der Wolf]

@Poutnik: You were slightly faster :)

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Re: Traveling duration / travelling speed

[Harry van der Wolf]

A couple of years ago I asked the same. At that time it was not possible as
the available profiles were hard-coded into OsmAnd.
I expected that when a new section was added to the xml, it would
automatically be picked up (as that is where the xml definition files are
for), but it was not that way.
I assume nothing has changed there.

And maybe your next question: Slightly later I suggested to someone who
wanted to have a "motor bike" profile and never used the bicycle or
pedestrian parts, to implement his profiles into one of these. That only
worked partially as also in that case "some things" for those profiles were
hard-coded into OsmAnd.

As I wanted to have that functionality I ended up with a
routing.xml.caravan with an modified car section inside the
/Android/net.osmand(.plus)/files folder, and renamed the file to
routing.xml when applicable. So most of the time I simply used the internal
routing.xml version, and a few weeks per year the (renamed)
routing.xml.caravan version in the Android/net.osmand(.plus)/files folder.

I use Mapfactor for car navigation, and OsmAnd for cycling/hiking. As soon
as OsmAnd has a decent rendering and route calculation speed (although this
one is acceptable when using a heuristic coefficient of 1.3), I will return
to OsmAnd for car navigation as well.
(and I don't have a caravan anymore)

Harry




2018-01-29 15:22 GMT+01:00 Peter B :

> Harry, thanks for your hints.
> But how to do that if I don't want to change the profile of "car" but want
> to have a separate profile for "truck"  with the appropriate changes ?
> See my questions in
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/osmand/3YdLYzCkXJM
> Regards Peter
>
> Am Montag, 29. Januar 2018 13:42:47 UTC+1 schrieb Harry van der Wolf:
>>
>> MapFactor Navigator only allows for correct truck driving if you buy the
>> Tomtom maps. You can indeed set vehicle height, width and weight, but it is
>> not used unless you have the Tomtom maps.
>>
>> OsmAnd uses internally a routing.xml. It also contains road speeds and
>> max speed.
>>
>> max speed: https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/
>> master/routing/routing.xml#L50
>>
>> With regard to speeds per road: https://github.com/osman
>> dapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/master/routing/routing.xml#L266
>>
>> Download that file to your computer, edit it and put it in the Osmand
>> folder "/Android/data/net.osmand(.plus)/files" on your internal memory
>> or sdcard, wherever you told Osmand to store its data.
>>
>> Really close Osmand and after opening Osmand again, it should use it.
>>
>> Harry
>>
>>
>>

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Re: Traveling duration / travelling speed

[Poutnik the Wanderer]

Prepare a file routing.xml, where you replace default data for car profile 
by values that suit the trucks better.


By default, such explicit file does not exist and the regular car profile 
is used from the internal osmand data.


But if you put in root of osmand data folder an explicit routing.xml with 
"truck" car profile, it takes the priority and the car will become truck.


Before inserting or deleting the routing.xml,  close and kill osmand ( e.g 
wipe it from recent apps list )




Dne 29. ledna 2018 15:22:59 Peter B  napsal:


Harry, thanks for your hints.
But how to do that if I don't want to change the profile of "car" but want
to have a separate profile for "truck"  with the appropriate changes ?
See my questions in
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/osmand/3YdLYzCkXJM
Regards Peter

Am Montag, 29. Januar 2018 13:42:47 UTC+1 schrieb Harry van der Wolf:


MapFactor Navigator only allows for correct truck driving if you buy the
Tomtom maps. You can indeed set vehicle height, width and weight, but it is
not used unless you have the Tomtom maps.

OsmAnd uses internally a routing.xml. It also contains road speeds and max
speed.

max speed:
https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/master/routing/routing.xml#L50

With regard to speeds per road:
https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/master/routing/routing.xml#L266

Download that file to your computer, edit it and put it in the Osmand
folder "/Android/data/net.osmand(.plus)/files" on your internal memory or
sdcard, wherever you told Osmand to store its data.

Really close Osmand and after opening Osmand again, it should use it.

Harry

2018-01-28 20:04 GMT+01:00 Poutnik :


AFAIK, Mapsfactor Navigator, also based on OSM,
does allow to set the custom profile, with custom speed for all road
kinds.
Definitely worth of trying.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mapfactor.navigator

Dne 28/01/2018 v 17:41 We Ka napsal(a):
> [...
>
> From my point of view, there's just one thing that needs to be fixed,
> and that's the travelling duration: you can not drive 161 kilometres
> in 1 hour and 41 minutes with a truck, not even on an empty German
> autobahn in the middle of the night! :)
>
> The app is in desperate need of the possibility to set the travelling
> speeds for each kind of road, and that's true for all modes, not only
> for trucks!

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My Brouter profiles
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Re: Traveling duration / travelling speed

[Peter B]

Harry, thanks for your hints.
But how to do that if I don't want to change the profile of "car" but want 
to have a separate profile for "truck"  with the appropriate changes ?
See my questions in
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/osmand/3YdLYzCkXJM
Regards Peter

Am Montag, 29. Januar 2018 13:42:47 UTC+1 schrieb Harry van der Wolf:
>
> MapFactor Navigator only allows for correct truck driving if you buy the 
> Tomtom maps. You can indeed set vehicle height, width and weight, but it is 
> not used unless you have the Tomtom maps.
>
> OsmAnd uses internally a routing.xml. It also contains road speeds and max 
> speed.
>
> max speed: 
> https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/master/routing/routing.xml#L50
>
> With regard to speeds per road: 
> https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/master/routing/routing.xml#L266
>
> Download that file to your computer, edit it and put it in the Osmand 
> folder "/Android/data/net.osmand(.plus)/files" on your internal memory or 
> sdcard, wherever you told Osmand to store its data.
>
> Really close Osmand and after opening Osmand again, it should use it.
>
> Harry
>
> 2018-01-28 20:04 GMT+01:00 Poutnik :
>
>> AFAIK, Mapsfactor Navigator, also based on OSM,
>> does allow to set the custom profile, with custom speed for all road 
>> kinds.
>> Definitely worth of trying.
>>
>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mapfactor.navigator
>>
>> Dne 28/01/2018 v 17:41 We Ka napsal(a):
>> > [...
>> >
>> > From my point of view, there's just one thing that needs to be fixed,
>> > and that's the travelling duration: you can not drive 161 kilometres
>> > in 1 hour and 41 minutes with a truck, not even on an empty German
>> > autobahn in the middle of the night! :)
>> >
>> > The app is in desperate need of the possibility to set the travelling
>> > speeds for each kind of road, and that's true for all modes, not only
>> > for trucks!
>>
>> --
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>>
>> My Brouter profiles
>> https://github.com/poutnikl/Brouter-profiles/wiki
>>
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RE: sharing with OsmAnd

[Guy Vanvuchelen]

On my Samsung S5min are: Dropbox, Stack, Google Drive, Gmail, Bluetooth 
installed but only Dropbox can be reached through sharing.

 

Guy Vanvuchelen

 

Van: osmand@googlegroups.com [mailto:osmand@googlegroups.com] Namens Majka
Verzonden: maandag 29 januari 2018 14:42
Aan: Osmand
Onderwerp: Re: sharing with OsmAnd

 

Are you sure the difference is the device? I mean, the result of the share 
function depends more on what is installed on your device then on the device 
itself.

On Friday, 26 January 2018 18:50:52 UTC+1, guy vanvuchelen wrote:

If you try the following on different devices, you get different results.

Menu> My Places> GPX-TRACKS> [click on the tube for any track]> [click on the 
share symbol]:

• on the Samsung S5 mini I can only share with Dropbox.

• On the Asus tablet I have a choice between: Dropbox, Share link, Bluetooth, 
Gmail, Save in Drive, Secure delete, Stack

A colleague also tested:

Samsung S5: WhatsApp, E- and G-mail, One drive, Bluetooth Dropbox

Asas tablet: G-mail, One drive, Skype and n Dropbox

Does anyone have an explanation for this?

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Re: sharing with OsmAnd

[Majka]

Are you sure the difference is the *device*? I mean, the result of the 
share function depends more on what is installed on your device then on the 
device itself.

On Friday, 26 January 2018 18:50:52 UTC+1, guy vanvuchelen wrote:
>
> If you try the following on different devices, you get different results.
> Menu> My Places> GPX-TRACKS> [click on the tube for any track]> [click on 
> the share symbol]:
> • on the Samsung S5 mini I can only share with Dropbox.
> • On the Asus tablet I have a choice between: Dropbox, Share link, 
> Bluetooth, Gmail, Save in Drive, Secure delete, Stack
> A colleague also tested:
> Samsung S5: WhatsApp, E- and G-mail, One drive, Bluetooth Dropbox
> Asas tablet: G-mail, One drive, Skype and n Dropbox
> Does anyone have an explanation for this?
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Re: Traveling duration / travelling speed

[Poutnik the Wanderer]

I had in mind possibility of custom nominal speeds for particular highway=* 
classes.
I have no experience with track related restrictions, so you are probably 
right.

But for personal cars it can be useful for travel profiling.


Dne 29. ledna 2018 13:42:46 Harry van der Wolf  napsal:


MapFactor Navigator only allows for correct truck driving if you buy the
Tomtom maps. You can indeed set vehicle height, width and weight, but it is
not used unless you have the Tomtom maps.

OsmAnd uses internally a routing.xml. It also contains road speeds and max
speed.

max speed:
https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/master/routing/routing.xml#L50

With regard to speeds per road:
https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/master/routing/routing.xml#L266

Download that file to your computer, edit it and put it in the Osmand
folder "/Android/data/net.osmand(.plus)/files" on your internal memory or
sdcard, wherever you told Osmand to store its data.

Really close Osmand and after opening Osmand again, it should use it.

Harry

2018-01-28 20:04 GMT+01:00 Poutnik :


AFAIK, Mapsfactor Navigator, also based on OSM,
does allow to set the custom profile, with custom speed for all road kinds.
Definitely worth of trying.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mapfactor.navigator

Dne 28/01/2018 v 17:41 We Ka napsal(a):
> [...
>
> From my point of view, there's just one thing that needs to be fixed,
> and that's the travelling duration: you can not drive 161 kilometres
> in 1 hour and 41 minutes with a truck, not even on an empty German
> autobahn in the middle of the night! :)
>
> The app is in desperate need of the possibility to set the travelling
> speeds for each kind of road, and that's true for all modes, not only
> for trucks!

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My Brouter profiles
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Re: Traveling duration / travelling speed

[Harry van der Wolf]

MapFactor Navigator only allows for correct truck driving if you buy the
Tomtom maps. You can indeed set vehicle height, width and weight, but it is
not used unless you have the Tomtom maps.

OsmAnd uses internally a routing.xml. It also contains road speeds and max
speed.

max speed:
https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/master/routing/routing.xml#L50

With regard to speeds per road:
https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/master/routing/routing.xml#L266

Download that file to your computer, edit it and put it in the Osmand
folder "/Android/data/net.osmand(.plus)/files" on your internal memory or
sdcard, wherever you told Osmand to store its data.

Really close Osmand and after opening Osmand again, it should use it.

Harry

2018-01-28 20:04 GMT+01:00 Poutnik :

> AFAIK, Mapsfactor Navigator, also based on OSM,
> does allow to set the custom profile, with custom speed for all road kinds.
> Definitely worth of trying.
>
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mapfactor.navigator
>
> Dne 28/01/2018 v 17:41 We Ka napsal(a):
> > [...
> >
> > From my point of view, there's just one thing that needs to be fixed,
> > and that's the travelling duration: you can not drive 161 kilometres
> > in 1 hour and 41 minutes with a truck, not even on an empty German
> > autobahn in the middle of the night! :)
> >
> > The app is in desperate need of the possibility to set the travelling
> > speeds for each kind of road, and that's true for all modes, not only
> > for trucks!
>
> --
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>
> My Brouter profiles
> https://github.com/poutnikl/Brouter-profiles/wiki
>
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