Re: Traveling duration / travelling speed

2018-02-14 Thread We Ka
Thanks a lot for opening the issue on github! Let's hope the developers 
quickly find a way to realize this feature. It would improve the use of 
Osmand a lot!

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Re: Traveling duration / travelling speed

2018-02-05 Thread Peter B
Harry, thanks for your explanation, it works.

Additional to that I created an issue, let us hope for the realization...
https://github.com/osmandapp/Osmand/issues/4991

Am Montag, 5. Februar 2018 15:59:24 UTC+1 schrieb Harry van der Wolf:
>
> I enabled the truck mode and created a completely new truck section inside 
> the routing.xml (and named it truck).
>
> It seems to be an empty shell. I can select the truck profile but 
> route/duration are identical to the car profile.
>
> So I modified the car profile again
>
> In the top I changed maxspeed from 130 to 90
>
>  minDefaultSpeed="45.0" maxDefaultSpeed="90.0"
>
>
> slightly lower you get the speed section, which begins with the following 
> 3 lines.
>
> 
> 
>
> as you can see I disabled the 2nd and 3rd line. *This is a must(!)* 
> otherwise it will still take the max speeds or advisory speeds from the 
> road segments.
>
> In the speed section itself I changed only the following speeds.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> And in the road priorities I increased the motorway sections with 0.1
> 
> 
> 
>
> This profile gives me values that I can trust (as they are equal to other 
> nav apps).
>
> Harry
>
>
>
> 2018-02-04 11:47 GMT+01:00 We Ka :
>
>>
>>
>> Am Mittwoch, 31. Januar 2018 16:18:35 UTC+1 schrieb Jack Burke:
>>>
>>> Peter B: OsmAnd has a separate profile for trucks. It just isn't enabled 
>>> by default. Have you enabled it? 
>>
>>
>> You have to enable the developer mode, then you will be able to enable 
>> other vehicles like truck and motor bike. 
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Re: Traveling duration / travelling speed

2018-02-05 Thread Harry van der Wolf
I enabled the truck mode and created a completely new truck section inside
the routing.xml (and named it truck).

It seems to be an empty shell. I can select the truck profile but
route/duration are identical to the car profile.

So I modified the car profile again

In the top I changed maxspeed from 130 to 90




as you can see I disabled the 2nd and 3rd line. *This is a must(!)*
otherwise it will still take the max speeds or advisory speeds from the
road segments.

In the speed section itself I changed only the following speeds.






And in the road priorities I increased the motorway sections with 0.1




This profile gives me values that I can trust (as they are equal to other
nav apps).

Harry



2018-02-04 11:47 GMT+01:00 We Ka :

>
>
> Am Mittwoch, 31. Januar 2018 16:18:35 UTC+1 schrieb Jack Burke:
>>
>> Peter B: OsmAnd has a separate profile for trucks. It just isn't enabled
>> by default. Have you enabled it?
>
>
> You have to enable the developer mode, then you will be able to enable
> other vehicles like truck and motor bike.
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Re: Traveling duration / travelling speed

2018-02-04 Thread We Ka


Am Mittwoch, 31. Januar 2018 16:18:35 UTC+1 schrieb Jack Burke:
>
> Peter B: OsmAnd has a separate profile for trucks. It just isn't enabled 
> by default. Have you enabled it? 


You have to enable the developer mode, then you will be able to enable 
other vehicles like truck and motor bike. 

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Re: Traveling duration / travelling speed

2018-02-04 Thread We Ka
If the app uses an internel xml file for storing the vehicle data, it 
shouldn't be too difficult to make it use a separate and external xml file 
for each vehicle profile instead of using just one internal xml file for 
all vehicles, for example

$programmpath/$vehicle.xml

Each $vehicle.xml could then be edited separately, either manually or 
within the app, and advanced users could even create own files and thus 
create own travelling modes, like an e-bike, a jet plane, a dunkey cart, a 
dog sledge, or whatever travelling mode they want. Only if this customized 
file contains errors, the internal default file should be used. 


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Re: Traveling duration / travelling speed

2018-01-31 Thread Peter B
Yes, it is enabled. But in routing.xml there are only sections for car, 
bycicle, pedestrian. But not for truck. So, for profile truck internal 
section car will be used.

Am Mittwoch, 31. Januar 2018 16:18:35 UTC+1 schrieb Jack Burke:
>
> Peter B: OsmAnd has a separate profile for trucks. It just isn't enabled 
> by default. Have you enabled it? 

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Re: Traveling duration / travelling speed

2018-01-31 Thread Jack Burke
Peter B: OsmAnd has a separate profile for trucks. It just isn't enabled by 
default. Have you enabled it? 

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Re: Traveling duration / travelling speed

2018-01-29 Thread Peter B
... the test route is about 98 percent on motorway in germany and france.
So with a max speed of 80 kmh I should need about 5h20.
I don't know what speed values are used to get 4h01.


Am Montag, 29. Januar 2018 17:38:15 UTC+1 schrieb Peter B:
>
> I made a test:
> with profile car I got 
> 431 km, calculated duration 3h58
> With special profile truck
> 431 km, calculated duration 4h01
> so I the truck was only 3 minutes slower.
> The changed speed data are:
> (example truck=80, car=110)
> so I think the speed reduction has only a very small effect, it is to much 
> work for 3 minutes.
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> Am Montag, 29. Januar 2018 15:22:54 UTC+1 schrieb Peter B:
>>
>> Harry, thanks for your hints.
>> But how to do that if I don't want to change the profile of "car" but 
>> want to have a separate profile for "truck"  with the appropriate changes ?
>> See my questions in
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/osmand/3YdLYzCkXJM
>> Regards Peter
>>
>> Am Montag, 29. Januar 2018 13:42:47 UTC+1 schrieb Harry van der Wolf:
>>>
>>> MapFactor Navigator only allows for correct truck driving if you buy the 
>>> Tomtom maps. You can indeed set vehicle height, width and weight, but it is 
>>> not used unless you have the Tomtom maps.
>>>
>>> OsmAnd uses internally a routing.xml. It also contains road speeds and 
>>> max speed.
>>>
>>> max speed: 
>>> https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/master/routing/routing.xml#L50
>>>
>>> With regard to speeds per road: 
>>> https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/master/routing/routing.xml#L266
>>>
>>> Download that file to your computer, edit it and put it in the Osmand 
>>> folder "/Android/data/net.osmand(.plus)/files" on your internal memory or 
>>> sdcard, wherever you told Osmand to store its data.
>>>
>>> Really close Osmand and after opening Osmand again, it should use it.
>>>
>>> Harry
>>>
>>> 2018-01-28 20:04 GMT+01:00 Poutnik :
>>>
 AFAIK, Mapsfactor Navigator, also based on OSM,
 does allow to set the custom profile, with custom speed for all road 
 kinds.
 Definitely worth of trying.

 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mapfactor.navigator

 Dne 28/01/2018 v 17:41 We Ka napsal(a):
 > [...
 >
 > From my point of view, there's just one thing that needs to be fixed,
 > and that's the travelling duration: you can not drive 161 kilometres
 > in 1 hour and 41 minutes with a truck, not even on an empty German
 > autobahn in the middle of the night! :)
 >
 > The app is in desperate need of the possibility to set the travelling
 > speeds for each kind of road, and that's true for all modes, not only
 > for trucks!

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Re: Traveling duration / travelling speed

2018-01-29 Thread Peter B
I made a test:
with profile car I got 
431 km, calculated duration 3h58
With special profile truck
431 km, calculated duration 4h01
so I the truck was only 3 minutes slower.
The changed speed data are:
(example truck=80, car=110)
so I think the speed reduction has only a very small effect, it is to much 
work for 3 minutes.




  
















Am Montag, 29. Januar 2018 15:22:54 UTC+1 schrieb Peter B:
>
> Harry, thanks for your hints.
> But how to do that if I don't want to change the profile of "car" but want 
> to have a separate profile for "truck"  with the appropriate changes ?
> See my questions in
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/osmand/3YdLYzCkXJM
> Regards Peter
>
> Am Montag, 29. Januar 2018 13:42:47 UTC+1 schrieb Harry van der Wolf:
>>
>> MapFactor Navigator only allows for correct truck driving if you buy the 
>> Tomtom maps. You can indeed set vehicle height, width and weight, but it is 
>> not used unless you have the Tomtom maps.
>>
>> OsmAnd uses internally a routing.xml. It also contains road speeds and 
>> max speed.
>>
>> max speed: 
>> https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/master/routing/routing.xml#L50
>>
>> With regard to speeds per road: 
>> https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/master/routing/routing.xml#L266
>>
>> Download that file to your computer, edit it and put it in the Osmand 
>> folder "/Android/data/net.osmand(.plus)/files" on your internal memory or 
>> sdcard, wherever you told Osmand to store its data.
>>
>> Really close Osmand and after opening Osmand again, it should use it.
>>
>> Harry
>>
>> 2018-01-28 20:04 GMT+01:00 Poutnik :
>>
>>> AFAIK, Mapsfactor Navigator, also based on OSM,
>>> does allow to set the custom profile, with custom speed for all road 
>>> kinds.
>>> Definitely worth of trying.
>>>
>>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mapfactor.navigator
>>>
>>> Dne 28/01/2018 v 17:41 We Ka napsal(a):
>>> > [...
>>> >
>>> > From my point of view, there's just one thing that needs to be fixed,
>>> > and that's the travelling duration: you can not drive 161 kilometres
>>> > in 1 hour and 41 minutes with a truck, not even on an empty German
>>> > autobahn in the middle of the night! :)
>>> >
>>> > The app is in desperate need of the possibility to set the travelling
>>> > speeds for each kind of road, and that's true for all modes, not only
>>> > for trucks!
>>>
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>>>
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>>> https://github.com/poutnikl/Brouter-profiles/wiki
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Re: Traveling duration / travelling speed

2018-01-29 Thread Harry van der Wolf
@Poutnik: You were slightly faster :)

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Re: Traveling duration / travelling speed

2018-01-29 Thread Harry van der Wolf
A couple of years ago I asked the same. At that time it was not possible as
the available profiles were hard-coded into OsmAnd.
I expected that when a new section was added to the xml, it would
automatically be picked up (as that is where the xml definition files are
for), but it was not that way.
I assume nothing has changed there.

And maybe your next question: Slightly later I suggested to someone who
wanted to have a "motor bike" profile and never used the bicycle or
pedestrian parts, to implement his profiles into one of these. That only
worked partially as also in that case "some things" for those profiles were
hard-coded into OsmAnd.

As I wanted to have that functionality I ended up with a
routing.xml.caravan with an modified car section inside the
/Android/net.osmand(.plus)/files folder, and renamed the file to
routing.xml when applicable. So most of the time I simply used the internal
routing.xml version, and a few weeks per year the (renamed)
routing.xml.caravan version in the Android/net.osmand(.plus)/files folder.

I use Mapfactor for car navigation, and OsmAnd for cycling/hiking. As soon
as OsmAnd has a decent rendering and route calculation speed (although this
one is acceptable when using a heuristic coefficient of 1.3), I will return
to OsmAnd for car navigation as well.
(and I don't have a caravan anymore)

Harry




2018-01-29 15:22 GMT+01:00 Peter B :

> Harry, thanks for your hints.
> But how to do that if I don't want to change the profile of "car" but want
> to have a separate profile for "truck"  with the appropriate changes ?
> See my questions in
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/osmand/3YdLYzCkXJM
> Regards Peter
>
> Am Montag, 29. Januar 2018 13:42:47 UTC+1 schrieb Harry van der Wolf:
>>
>> MapFactor Navigator only allows for correct truck driving if you buy the
>> Tomtom maps. You can indeed set vehicle height, width and weight, but it is
>> not used unless you have the Tomtom maps.
>>
>> OsmAnd uses internally a routing.xml. It also contains road speeds and
>> max speed.
>>
>> max speed: https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/
>> master/routing/routing.xml#L50
>>
>> With regard to speeds per road: https://github.com/osman
>> dapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/master/routing/routing.xml#L266
>>
>> Download that file to your computer, edit it and put it in the Osmand
>> folder "/Android/data/net.osmand(.plus)/files" on your internal memory
>> or sdcard, wherever you told Osmand to store its data.
>>
>> Really close Osmand and after opening Osmand again, it should use it.
>>
>> Harry
>>
>>
>>

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Re: Traveling duration / travelling speed

2018-01-29 Thread Poutnik the Wanderer
Prepare a file routing.xml, where you replace default data for car profile 
by values that suit the trucks better.


By default, such explicit file does not exist and the regular car profile 
is used from the internal osmand data.


But if you put in root of osmand data folder an explicit routing.xml with 
"truck" car profile, it takes the priority and the car will become truck.


Before inserting or deleting the routing.xml,  close and kill osmand ( e.g 
wipe it from recent apps list )




Dne 29. ledna 2018 15:22:59 Peter B  napsal:


Harry, thanks for your hints.
But how to do that if I don't want to change the profile of "car" but want
to have a separate profile for "truck"  with the appropriate changes ?
See my questions in
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/osmand/3YdLYzCkXJM
Regards Peter

Am Montag, 29. Januar 2018 13:42:47 UTC+1 schrieb Harry van der Wolf:


MapFactor Navigator only allows for correct truck driving if you buy the
Tomtom maps. You can indeed set vehicle height, width and weight, but it is
not used unless you have the Tomtom maps.

OsmAnd uses internally a routing.xml. It also contains road speeds and max
speed.

max speed:
https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/master/routing/routing.xml#L50

With regard to speeds per road:
https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/master/routing/routing.xml#L266

Download that file to your computer, edit it and put it in the Osmand
folder "/Android/data/net.osmand(.plus)/files" on your internal memory or
sdcard, wherever you told Osmand to store its data.

Really close Osmand and after opening Osmand again, it should use it.

Harry

2018-01-28 20:04 GMT+01:00 Poutnik :


AFAIK, Mapsfactor Navigator, also based on OSM,
does allow to set the custom profile, with custom speed for all road
kinds.
Definitely worth of trying.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mapfactor.navigator

Dne 28/01/2018 v 17:41 We Ka napsal(a):
> [...
>
> From my point of view, there's just one thing that needs to be fixed,
> and that's the travelling duration: you can not drive 161 kilometres
> in 1 hour and 41 minutes with a truck, not even on an empty German
> autobahn in the middle of the night! :)
>
> The app is in desperate need of the possibility to set the travelling
> speeds for each kind of road, and that's true for all modes, not only
> for trucks!

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Re: Traveling duration / travelling speed

2018-01-29 Thread Peter B
Harry, thanks for your hints.
But how to do that if I don't want to change the profile of "car" but want 
to have a separate profile for "truck"  with the appropriate changes ?
See my questions in
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/osmand/3YdLYzCkXJM
Regards Peter

Am Montag, 29. Januar 2018 13:42:47 UTC+1 schrieb Harry van der Wolf:
>
> MapFactor Navigator only allows for correct truck driving if you buy the 
> Tomtom maps. You can indeed set vehicle height, width and weight, but it is 
> not used unless you have the Tomtom maps.
>
> OsmAnd uses internally a routing.xml. It also contains road speeds and max 
> speed.
>
> max speed: 
> https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/master/routing/routing.xml#L50
>
> With regard to speeds per road: 
> https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/master/routing/routing.xml#L266
>
> Download that file to your computer, edit it and put it in the Osmand 
> folder "/Android/data/net.osmand(.plus)/files" on your internal memory or 
> sdcard, wherever you told Osmand to store its data.
>
> Really close Osmand and after opening Osmand again, it should use it.
>
> Harry
>
> 2018-01-28 20:04 GMT+01:00 Poutnik :
>
>> AFAIK, Mapsfactor Navigator, also based on OSM,
>> does allow to set the custom profile, with custom speed for all road 
>> kinds.
>> Definitely worth of trying.
>>
>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mapfactor.navigator
>>
>> Dne 28/01/2018 v 17:41 We Ka napsal(a):
>> > [...
>> >
>> > From my point of view, there's just one thing that needs to be fixed,
>> > and that's the travelling duration: you can not drive 161 kilometres
>> > in 1 hour and 41 minutes with a truck, not even on an empty German
>> > autobahn in the middle of the night! :)
>> >
>> > The app is in desperate need of the possibility to set the travelling
>> > speeds for each kind of road, and that's true for all modes, not only
>> > for trucks!
>>
>> --
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>>
>> My Brouter profiles
>> https://github.com/poutnikl/Brouter-profiles/wiki
>>
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Re: Traveling duration / travelling speed

2018-01-29 Thread Poutnik the Wanderer
I had in mind possibility of custom nominal speeds for particular highway=* 
classes.
I have no experience with track related restrictions, so you are probably 
right.

But for personal cars it can be useful for travel profiling.


Dne 29. ledna 2018 13:42:46 Harry van der Wolf  napsal:


MapFactor Navigator only allows for correct truck driving if you buy the
Tomtom maps. You can indeed set vehicle height, width and weight, but it is
not used unless you have the Tomtom maps.

OsmAnd uses internally a routing.xml. It also contains road speeds and max
speed.

max speed:
https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/master/routing/routing.xml#L50

With regard to speeds per road:
https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/master/routing/routing.xml#L266

Download that file to your computer, edit it and put it in the Osmand
folder "/Android/data/net.osmand(.plus)/files" on your internal memory or
sdcard, wherever you told Osmand to store its data.

Really close Osmand and after opening Osmand again, it should use it.

Harry

2018-01-28 20:04 GMT+01:00 Poutnik :


AFAIK, Mapsfactor Navigator, also based on OSM,
does allow to set the custom profile, with custom speed for all road kinds.
Definitely worth of trying.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mapfactor.navigator

Dne 28/01/2018 v 17:41 We Ka napsal(a):
> [...
>
> From my point of view, there's just one thing that needs to be fixed,
> and that's the travelling duration: you can not drive 161 kilometres
> in 1 hour and 41 minutes with a truck, not even on an empty German
> autobahn in the middle of the night! :)
>
> The app is in desperate need of the possibility to set the travelling
> speeds for each kind of road, and that's true for all modes, not only
> for trucks!

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Re: Traveling duration / travelling speed

2018-01-29 Thread Harry van der Wolf
MapFactor Navigator only allows for correct truck driving if you buy the
Tomtom maps. You can indeed set vehicle height, width and weight, but it is
not used unless you have the Tomtom maps.

OsmAnd uses internally a routing.xml. It also contains road speeds and max
speed.

max speed:
https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/master/routing/routing.xml#L50

With regard to speeds per road:
https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/master/routing/routing.xml#L266

Download that file to your computer, edit it and put it in the Osmand
folder "/Android/data/net.osmand(.plus)/files" on your internal memory or
sdcard, wherever you told Osmand to store its data.

Really close Osmand and after opening Osmand again, it should use it.

Harry

2018-01-28 20:04 GMT+01:00 Poutnik :

> AFAIK, Mapsfactor Navigator, also based on OSM,
> does allow to set the custom profile, with custom speed for all road kinds.
> Definitely worth of trying.
>
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mapfactor.navigator
>
> Dne 28/01/2018 v 17:41 We Ka napsal(a):
> > [...
> >
> > From my point of view, there's just one thing that needs to be fixed,
> > and that's the travelling duration: you can not drive 161 kilometres
> > in 1 hour and 41 minutes with a truck, not even on an empty German
> > autobahn in the middle of the night! :)
> >
> > The app is in desperate need of the possibility to set the travelling
> > speeds for each kind of road, and that's true for all modes, not only
> > for trucks!
>
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Re: Traveling duration / travelling speed

2018-01-28 Thread Poutnik
AFAIK, Mapsfactor Navigator, also based on OSM,
does allow to set the custom profile, with custom speed for all road kinds.
Definitely worth of trying.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mapfactor.navigator

Dne 28/01/2018 v 17:41 We Ka napsal(a):
> [...
>
> From my point of view, there's just one thing that needs to be fixed,
> and that's the travelling duration: you can not drive 161 kilometres
> in 1 hour and 41 minutes with a truck, not even on an empty German
> autobahn in the middle of the night! :)
>
> The app is in desperate need of the possibility to set the travelling
> speeds for each kind of road, and that's true for all modes, not only
> for trucks!

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Re: Traveling duration / travelling speed

2018-01-28 Thread Peter B
With this topic I tried to find a solution for this problem. Unfortunately, 
there was no response at all.
Peter
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/osmand/3YdLYzCkXJM


Am Sonntag, 28. Januar 2018 17:41:18 UTC+1 schrieb We Ka:
>
> Hello!
>
> I use OsmAnd+ for truck driving. I know that it is still considered 
> experimental, but if no one ever gives feed back on this issue, there won't 
> be any progress and this function will never leave this status.
>
> The good news is: it is working extremely well! In fact, OsmAnd has not 
> ever guided me into a road, that is not suited for trucks, eg. because of 
> low bridges or weight limitations, while several other routing devices have 
> done so, among them some very expensive ones! I also appreciate the 
> announcing of street names, which is the best I have heard to far!
>
> From my point of view, there's just one thing that needs to be fixed, and 
> that's the travelling duration: you can not drive 161 kilometres in 1 hour 
> and 41 minutes with a truck, not even on an empty German autobahn in the 
> middle of the night! :)
>
> The app is in desperate need of the possibility to set the travelling 
> speeds for each kind of road, and that's true for all modes, not only for 
> trucks!
>
>

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