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- Glav
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I'd think a primary driver would be for the advantages of imperative code -
it's
On 25/03/2010, at 4:02 AM, Richard Carde rich...@carde.id.au wrote:
On 24 Mar 2010, at 05:07, David Connors da...@codify.com wrote:
On 24 March 2010 15:03, Paul Stovell p...@paulstovell.com
p...@paulstovell.com wrote:
I'd think a primary driver would be for the advantages of imperative code
customer is a view model, so customer.Name will never be null
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 4:02 AM, Richard Carde rich...@carde.id.au wrote:
On 24 Mar 2010, at 05:07, David Connors da...@codify.com wrote:
On 24 March 2010 15:03, Paul Stovell p...@paulstovell.com
p...@paulstovell.com wrote:
On 25 March 2010 08:48, Liam McLennan liam.mclen...@gmail.com wrote:
customer is a view model, so customer.Name will never be null
That isn't the issue ... you might want to check how many Mr OnMouseOvers
(occupation Cookie Thief) there are in your customer database. ;)
--
David Connors
Hi Paul,
I agree with what you have said - web forms was revolutionary, and MVC
learnt a lot because of the experiences the team had. I also think it would
have worked the opposite way - had MVC been released first, it might have
changed how/whether Web Forms was created. I also agree that Web
On 24 March 2010 10:51, Paul Stovell p...@paulstovell.com wrote:
I agree with what you have said - web forms was revolutionary, and MVC
learnt a lot because of the experiences the team had. I also think it would
have worked the opposite way - had MVC been released first, it might have
changed
It seems that some people are so bored of this thread that they've marked it
as spam as Gmail is saying it as spam.
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Craig van Nieuwkerk crai...@gmail.comwrote:
I agree with what you have said - web forms was revolutionary, and MVC
learnt a lot because of the
The original question implied that Umbraco are rewriting for the purpose of
moving to MVC. I think it is much more likely that they were planning to
rewrite for other reasons and decided to take the opportunity to switch to
the superior platform. Rewriting a large app just to switch from webforms
I am not arguing for or against webforms but the previous argument
around battling with the likes of grid events doesn't really do the
argument justice. I mean, if u don't like the grid events, use a
repeaters and push whatever u want down the wire. You can still
iterate over collections
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Paul Glavich
subscripti...@theglavs.com wrote:
I am not arguing for or against webforms but the previous argument around
battling with the likes of grid events doesn't really do the argument
justice. I mean, if u don't like the grid events, use a repeaters and
You'd think you would have stopped participating in this thread by now
then.
At any rate, I find the opinions and perceptions interesting.
- Glav
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On 22/03/2010, at 6:42 PM, silky michaelsli...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Paul Glavich
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Paul Glavich
subscripti...@theglavs.com wrote:
You'd think you would have stopped participating in this thread by now then.
Why did you pick this part to respond to, and it such a typical way?
Surely you realise how predictable this response is? And there was
Hand coding html isn't necessarily a waste of time but I can't see mvc
development being as fast as webforms
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Craig van Nieuwkerk crai...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think your an idiot ;-) But if you are someone who finds they
can write HTML/CSS/Js much faster by
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Paul Stovell p...@paulstovell.com wrote:
Are you really trying to suggest that the MVC model was
invented *after* web forms?
No. Perhaps that should have read ASP.NET MVC, though I thought that could
be assumed from the context.
In context, your statement
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Paul Stovell p...@paulstovell.com wrote:
As a completely unrelated note, one of the original crew on WebForms
sits down the hall from me - part of me wants to walk into his office, grab
him by the collar and say 'What were you thinking?!!!'
Although I
Hi,
From quick read I did here :
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/015103yb(VS.71).aspx I have no real
issue with it (it's not saying, for example, business logic goes in X area,
etc).
For me, it's not about the practices the framework dictates; it's more about
how the framework is
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:46 AM, David Connors da...@codify.com wrote:
On 19 March 2010 09:26, Richard Carde rich...@carde.id.au wrote:
sarcasmThank goodness ASP.NET traps 'dodgy' characters like and in
user supplied data/sarcasm
Yup. It is really a very big worry when people writing the
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:53 AM, David Richards
ausdot...@davidsuniverse.com wrote:
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:49, silky michaelsli...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:48 AM, David Richards
ausdot...@davidsuniverse.com wrote:
An opinion can't be wrong. A stated fact can be
I have to say, I've never done that in web forms. I think any
language/environment gives you the opportunity to do things in a bad
way. It doesn't mean you should.
If that line of code scares you (as it should), don't write it.
David
If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
will
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Jonathan Parker
jonathanparkerem...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes. C# allows you to use pointers if you want but does anyone? No. because
C# is opinionated in that it thinks pointers are bad in most cases.
MVC is the same. It is opinionated and so easier to work with
On 18 Mar 2010, at 23:54, silky michaelsli...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:46 AM, David Connors da...@codify.com
wrote:
Yup. It is really a very big worry when people writing the
framework can be
so fundamentally stupid as to think that avoiding XSS issues is a
function
I think that if MVC had come out first, there either wouldn't have been Web
Forms, or it would have turned out very differently. For me the attraction
to MVC isn't that I like the MVC pattern or that I love dealing with HTTP,
or even that using new stuff makes me feel warm inside. It's that the
On 19 March 2010 13:44, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.com wrote:
Truthfully, if MVC came before WebForms,
It did by a significant margin - but just not on .NET. That kind of
underscores the point that people are adopting it because it is new (at
least in their minds) - or perhaps ready made
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Paul Stovell p...@paulstovell.com wrote:
I think that if MVC had come out first,
Are you really trying to suggest that the MVC model was invented
*after* web forms?
--
silky
http://www.programmingbranch.com/
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 2:44 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.com wrote:
Truthfully, if MVC came before WebForms, people wouldn't have flocked to the
.NET platform like they did. There was a reason that WebForms was so
successful - it mimic'd the existing drag and drop paradigm that VB6
On 19 March 2010 14:51, silky michaelsli...@gmail.com wrote:
I really can't believe there are professionals who still just listen to
marketing crap, and don't judge things for themselves.
Maybe I am too cynical but I think that is how most of the IT industry
operates.
These days I find
and say 'What were you thinking?!!!')
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of David Connors [da...@codify.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 9:12 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: ASP.NET Web Forms vs MVC vs ...
On 19 March 2010 13
Are you really trying to suggest that the MVC model was
invented *after* web forms?
No. Perhaps that should have read ASP.NET MVC, though I thought that could
be assumed from the context. Let me rephrase. If Microsoft had built and
shipped the ASP.NET MVC framework as the Official Microsoft Way
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