Re: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

[DotNet Dude via ozdotnet]

Another problem is everyone involved has signed off to never speak on the
project details publicly so no learning. This wont be the last one
guaranteed

On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 at 11:50, Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet <
ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:

> My favourite was Brisbane’s Go Card. Had a friend driving busses in
> Brisbane, and when it was first released, they had the sensitivity wrong.
> He’d drive past a bus stop, and it would charge everyone standing there,
> even if they weren’t getting on.
>
>
>
> It fascinates me that we continue to feel the need to develop these
> things, pretty much from scratch.
>
>
>
> As for the "I'll get some mates together and do it for half the price, I
> fondly remember the guy that quoted to paint the Sydney Harbour Bridge with
> his son. Their quote was a fraction of the prevailing cost. Yes, “how hard
> can it be” 
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
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> *From:* Greg Keogh via ozdotnet 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2023 11:15 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
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> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b
>
>
>
> Maybe we should set up OzDotNet Consultants specializing in government
> contracts? We could be swimming in cash!
>
>
>
> Yeah, when I see news about a planned $4bn IT project going ahead, I think
> "I'll get some mates together and do it for half the price".
>
>
>
> A replacement MYKI system, no problems. As Homer Simpsons often says, "How
> hard can it be?"
>
>
>
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Re: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

[Tony Wright via ozdotnet]

It's a form of money laundering. Create a local project that you can
inflate all the invoices on. The goal is to shift public "taxpayer" money
into the hands of private operators, preferably your mates, and some of
that money will "somehow" end up in your hands. Even better if you hire a
company with an offshore subsidiary as it's much harder to track monetary
flow and can end up in your Caymans bank account.

If you want a fun way to look at pretty much everything in a different
light, I highly recommend watching the Ozark tv series.

Both major parties have been doing it, well, forever really.

On Wed, 30 Aug 2023, 12:00 pm mike smith via ozdotnet, <
ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:

> Why does every state government want to build their own Myki?
>
> Mike
>
> On Wed, 30 Aug 2023, 10:47 Greg Keogh via ozdotnet, 
> wrote:
>
>> Maybe we should set up OzDotNet Consultants specializing in government
>>> contracts? We could be swimming in cash!
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, when I see news about a planned $4bn IT project going ahead, I
>> think "I'll get some mates together and do it for half the price".
>>
>> A replacement MYKI system, no problems. As Homer Simpsons often says,
>> "How hard can it be?"
>>
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Re: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

[Tom Rutter via ozdotnet]

Corruption and lack of technical knowledge would be my take on it

On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 at 12:00, mike smith via ozdotnet 
wrote:

> Why does every state government want to build their own Myki?
>
> Mike
>
> On Wed, 30 Aug 2023, 10:47 Greg Keogh via ozdotnet, 
> wrote:
>
>> Maybe we should set up OzDotNet Consultants specializing in government
>>> contracts? We could be swimming in cash!
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, when I see news about a planned $4bn IT project going ahead, I
>> think "I'll get some mates together and do it for half the price".
>>
>> A replacement MYKI system, no problems. As Homer Simpsons often says,
>> "How hard can it be?"
>>
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Re: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

[mike smith via ozdotnet]

Why does every state government want to build their own Myki?

Mike

On Wed, 30 Aug 2023, 10:47 Greg Keogh via ozdotnet, 
wrote:

> Maybe we should set up OzDotNet Consultants specializing in government
>> contracts? We could be swimming in cash!
>>
>
> Yeah, when I see news about a planned $4bn IT project going ahead, I think
> "I'll get some mates together and do it for half the price".
>
> A replacement MYKI system, no problems. As Homer Simpsons often says, "How
> hard can it be?"
>
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RE: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

[Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet]

My favourite was Brisbane’s Go Card. Had a friend driving busses in Brisbane, 
and when it was first released, they had the sensitivity wrong. He’d drive past 
a bus stop, and it would charge everyone standing there, even if they weren’t 
getting on.

It fascinates me that we continue to feel the need to develop these things, 
pretty much from scratch.

As for the "I'll get some mates together and do it for half the price, I fondly 
remember the guy that quoted to paint the Sydney Harbour Bridge with his son. 
Their quote was a fraction of the prevailing cost. Yes, “how hard can it be” 

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

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From: Greg Keogh via ozdotnet 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2023 11:15 AM
To: ozDotNet 
Cc: Greg Keogh 
Subject: Re: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

Maybe we should set up OzDotNet Consultants specializing in government 
contracts? We could be swimming in cash!

Yeah, when I see news about a planned $4bn IT project going ahead, I think 
"I'll get some mates together and do it for half the price".

A replacement MYKI system, no problems. As Homer Simpsons often says, "How hard 
can it be?"

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Re: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

[Greg Keogh via ozdotnet]

>
> Maybe we should set up OzDotNet Consultants specializing in government
> contracts? We could be swimming in cash!
>

Yeah, when I see news about a planned $4bn IT project going ahead, I think
"I'll get some mates together and do it for half the price".

A replacement MYKI system, no problems. As Homer Simpsons often says, "How
hard can it be?"

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RE: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

[Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet]

The ones swimming in cash seem to be the ones doing the current projects, and 
having them stretch out forever.

Regards,

Greg

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From: David Burstin via ozdotnet 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2023 10:45 AM
To: ozDotNet 
Cc: Tom Rutter ; David Burstin 
Subject: Re: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

Maybe we should set up OzDotNet Consultants specializing in government 
contracts? We could be swimming in cash!

On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 at 10:31, Tom Rutter via ozdotnet 
mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>> wrote:
If you want a project to fail the best thing to do is to allow the govt to run 
it

On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 at 19:30, Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet 
mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>> wrote:
Another one though where the project has many parts, almost all of which were 
to be delivered at the end. The only delivered item is the now orphaned 
Director ID.

Have we learned nothing about delivering projects in the last half century?

Regards

Greg

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From: DotNet Dude via ozdotnet 
mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 7:19:34 PM
To: ozDotNet mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Cc: DotNet Dude mailto:adotnetd...@gmail.com>>

Subject: Re: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

Am hesitant to share much but apparently the sh!t show was due to earlier 
decisions, 2 or so years old. Technically a lot of the work was being delivered 
successfully.

On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 at 17:36, Greg Keogh via ozdotnet 
mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>> wrote:
Worse, they were probably drowning in XML schema definitions.
Only one mention of XML in the redacted report, but three mentions of SBR1, so 
that still counts. 

Aha!  That leads to a bit of IT tech talk I can sort-of understand:

The MBR’s starting point for the technology architecture was Foster Moore’s 124 
registry software, Catalyst. Catalyst was selected as the 
commercial-off-the-shelf product for the MBR implementation, following a formal 
approach to market and design validation with Foster Moore. 125 During the 
course of the program, the implementation changed to a later version of 
Catalyst called Verne.

Verne is a cloud-hosted registry product that uses Linux/Unix OS and a document 
database that is suitable for registries. It uses a lesser-known Java-based 
programming language called Groovy. 126 Verne provides out-of-the-box 
functionalities for registration management, client management, content 
management, access management, configuration management, analytics and 
reporting, data provision, account management, communication management, 
document management, API management, and fee and revenue management. The user 
interface framework provides a flexible way to generate XML based APIs.

I've heard of Groovy<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Groovy>, but now I 
see it's a Java-like static or dynamic language. Foster Moore's 
Verne<https://www.fostermoore.com/verne> software is some gigantic 
off-the-shelf corporate registry software product that claims to be highly 
configurable. There's no mention of what back-end database it uses.

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Re: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

[David Burstin via ozdotnet]

Maybe we should set up OzDotNet Consultants specializing in government
contracts? We could be swimming in cash!

On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 at 10:31, Tom Rutter via ozdotnet 
wrote:

> If you want a project to fail the best thing to do is to allow the govt to
> run it
>
> On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 at 19:30, Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet <
> ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
>
>> Another one though where the project has many parts, almost all of which
>> were to be delivered at the end. The only delivered item is the now
>> orphaned Director ID.
>>
>> Have we learned nothing about delivering projects in the last half
>> century?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>> --
>> *From:* DotNet Dude via ozdotnet 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 29, 2023 7:19:34 PM
>> *To:* ozDotNet 
>> *Cc:* DotNet Dude 
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b
>>
>> Am hesitant to share much but apparently the sh!t show was due to earlier
>> decisions, 2 or so years old. Technically a lot of the work was being
>> delivered successfully.
>>
>> On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 at 17:36, Greg Keogh via ozdotnet <
>> ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
>>
>> Worse, they were probably drowning in XML schema definitions.
>> Only one mention of XML in the redacted report, but three mentions of
>> SBR1, so that still counts. 
>>
>>
>> Aha!  That leads to a bit of IT tech talk I can sort-of understand:
>>
>> The MBR’s starting point for the technology architecture was Foster
>> Moore’s 124 registry software, Catalyst. Catalyst was selected as the
>> commercial-off-the-shelf product for the MBR implementation, following a
>> formal approach to market and design validation with Foster Moore. 125
>> During the course of the program, the implementation changed to a later
>> version of Catalyst called Verne.
>>
>> Verne is a cloud-hosted registry product that uses Linux/Unix OS and a
>> document database that is suitable for registries. It uses a lesser-known
>> Java-based programming language called Groovy. 126 Verne provides
>> out-of-the-box functionalities for registration management, client
>> management, content management, access management, configuration
>> management, analytics and reporting, data provision, account management,
>> communication management, document management, API management, and fee and
>> revenue management. The user interface framework provides a flexible way to
>> generate XML based APIs.
>>
>>
>> I've heard of Groovy <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Groovy>, but
>> now I see it's a Java-like static or dynamic language. Foster Moore's
>> Verne <https://www.fostermoore.com/verne> software is some gigantic
>> off-the-shelf corporate registry software product that claims to be highly
>> configurable. There's no mention of what back-end database it uses.
>>
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Re: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

[Tom Rutter via ozdotnet]

If you want a project to fail the best thing to do is to allow the govt to
run it

On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 at 19:30, Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet <
ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:

> Another one though where the project has many parts, almost all of which
> were to be delivered at the end. The only delivered item is the now
> orphaned Director ID.
>
> Have we learned nothing about delivering projects in the last half century?
>
> Regards
>
> Greg
>
> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> --
> *From:* DotNet Dude via ozdotnet 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 29, 2023 7:19:34 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Cc:* DotNet Dude 
>
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b
>
> Am hesitant to share much but apparently the sh!t show was due to earlier
> decisions, 2 or so years old. Technically a lot of the work was being
> delivered successfully.
>
> On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 at 17:36, Greg Keogh via ozdotnet <
> ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
>
> Worse, they were probably drowning in XML schema definitions.
> Only one mention of XML in the redacted report, but three mentions of
> SBR1, so that still counts. 
>
>
> Aha!  That leads to a bit of IT tech talk I can sort-of understand:
>
> The MBR’s starting point for the technology architecture was Foster
> Moore’s 124 registry software, Catalyst. Catalyst was selected as the
> commercial-off-the-shelf product for the MBR implementation, following a
> formal approach to market and design validation with Foster Moore. 125
> During the course of the program, the implementation changed to a later
> version of Catalyst called Verne.
>
> Verne is a cloud-hosted registry product that uses Linux/Unix OS and a
> document database that is suitable for registries. It uses a lesser-known
> Java-based programming language called Groovy. 126 Verne provides
> out-of-the-box functionalities for registration management, client
> management, content management, access management, configuration
> management, analytics and reporting, data provision, account management,
> communication management, document management, API management, and fee and
> revenue management. The user interface framework provides a flexible way to
> generate XML based APIs.
>
>
> I've heard of Groovy <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Groovy>, but
> now I see it's a Java-like static or dynamic language. Foster Moore's
> Verne <https://www.fostermoore.com/verne> software is some gigantic
> off-the-shelf corporate registry software product that claims to be highly
> configurable. There's no mention of what back-end database it uses.
>
> *Greg K*
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Re: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

[Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet]

Another one though where the project has many parts, almost all of which were 
to be delivered at the end. The only delivered item is the now orphaned 
Director ID.

Have we learned nothing about delivering projects in the last half century?

Regards

Greg

Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: DotNet Dude via ozdotnet 
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 7:19:34 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Cc: DotNet Dude 
Subject: Re: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

Am hesitant to share much but apparently the sh!t show was due to earlier 
decisions, 2 or so years old. Technically a lot of the work was being delivered 
successfully.

On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 at 17:36, Greg Keogh via ozdotnet 
mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>> wrote:
Worse, they were probably drowning in XML schema definitions.
Only one mention of XML in the redacted report, but three mentions of SBR1, so 
that still counts. 

Aha!  That leads to a bit of IT tech talk I can sort-of understand:

The MBR’s starting point for the technology architecture was Foster Moore’s 124 
registry software, Catalyst. Catalyst was selected as the 
commercial-off-the-shelf product for the MBR implementation, following a formal 
approach to market and design validation with Foster Moore. 125 During the 
course of the program, the implementation changed to a later version of 
Catalyst called Verne.

Verne is a cloud-hosted registry product that uses Linux/Unix OS and a document 
database that is suitable for registries. It uses a lesser-known Java-based 
programming language called Groovy. 126 Verne provides out-of-the-box 
functionalities for registration management, client management, content 
management, access management, configuration management, analytics and 
reporting, data provision, account management, communication management, 
document management, API management, and fee and revenue management. The user 
interface framework provides a flexible way to generate XML based APIs.

I've heard of Groovy<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Groovy>, but now I 
see it's a Java-like static or dynamic language. Foster Moore's 
Verne<https://www.fostermoore.com/verne> software is some gigantic 
off-the-shelf corporate registry software product that claims to be highly 
configurable. There's no mention of what back-end database it uses.

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Re: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

[DotNet Dude via ozdotnet]

Am hesitant to share much but apparently the sh!t show was due to earlier
decisions, 2 or so years old. Technically a lot of the work was being
delivered successfully.

On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 at 17:36, Greg Keogh via ozdotnet 
wrote:

> Worse, they were probably drowning in XML schema definitions.
>> Only one mention of XML in the redacted report, but three mentions of
>> SBR1, so that still counts. 
>>
>
> Aha!  That leads to a bit of IT tech talk I can sort-of understand:
>
> The MBR’s starting point for the technology architecture was Foster
> Moore’s 124 registry software, Catalyst. Catalyst was selected as the
> commercial-off-the-shelf product for the MBR implementation, following a
> formal approach to market and design validation with Foster Moore. 125
> During the course of the program, the implementation changed to a later
> version of Catalyst called Verne.
>
> Verne is a cloud-hosted registry product that uses Linux/Unix OS and a
> document database that is suitable for registries. It uses a lesser-known
> Java-based programming language called Groovy. 126 Verne provides
> out-of-the-box functionalities for registration management, client
> management, content management, access management, configuration
> management, analytics and reporting, data provision, account management,
> communication management, document management, API management, and fee and
> revenue management. The user interface framework provides a flexible way to
> generate XML based APIs.
>
>
> I've heard of Groovy , but
> now I see it's a Java-like static or dynamic language. Foster Moore's
> Verne  software is some gigantic
> off-the-shelf corporate registry software product that claims to be highly
> configurable. There's no mention of what back-end database it uses.
>
> *Greg K*
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Re: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

[Greg Keogh via ozdotnet]

>
> Worse, they were probably drowning in XML schema definitions.
> Only one mention of XML in the redacted report, but three mentions of
> SBR1, so that still counts. 
>

Aha!  That leads to a bit of IT tech talk I can sort-of understand:

The MBR’s starting point for the technology architecture was Foster Moore’s
124 registry software, Catalyst. Catalyst was selected as the
commercial-off-the-shelf product for the MBR implementation, following a
formal approach to market and design validation with Foster Moore. 125
During the course of the program, the implementation changed to a later
version of Catalyst called Verne.

Verne is a cloud-hosted registry product that uses Linux/Unix OS and a
document database that is suitable for registries. It uses a lesser-known
Java-based programming language called Groovy. 126 Verne provides
out-of-the-box functionalities for registration management, client
management, content management, access management, configuration
management, analytics and reporting, data provision, account management,
communication management, document management, API management, and fee and
revenue management. The user interface framework provides a flexible way to
generate XML based APIs.


I've heard of Groovy , but now
I see it's a Java-like static or dynamic language. Foster Moore's Verne
 software is some gigantic off-the-shelf
corporate registry software product that claims to be highly configurable.
There's no mention of what back-end database it uses.

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Re: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

[Greg Keogh via ozdotnet]

>
> You can also read the review. It’s available online. Riveting stuff, and
> of course, with lots redacted because we wouldn’t want to name names.
>
>
> https://treasury.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-08/review-modernising-business-registers-program-report-redacted_0.pdf
>

I can't read 340 pages this afternoon, I have some coding to do!! I did
notice there are 48 impacts in the document, like:

program impacts
adversely impacted
material impact
do not impact
impacted agencies
change impact
severely impacted
market impacts
negative impact
no cash impact
intended impacts
directly impact
clearly impact
economic impact
financial impact

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Re: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

[Tony McGee via ozdotnet]

Worse, they were probably drowning in XML schema definitions.
Only one mention of XML in the redacted report, but three mentions of 
SBR1, so that still counts. 


-T


On 29/08/2023 16:35, Greg Keogh via ozdotnet wrote:

Couldn't they recruit enough COBOL programmers?

/Greg K/

On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 at 16:30, mike smith via ozdotnet 
 wrote:


Here's a non paywalled one


https://www.innovationaus.com/burning-12m-a-month-govt-scraps-business-register-overhaul/



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Re: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

[Greg Keogh via ozdotnet]

Couldn't they recruit enough COBOL programmers?

*Greg K*

On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 at 16:30, mike smith via ozdotnet 
wrote:

> Here's a non paywalled one
>
>
> https://www.innovationaus.com/burning-12m-a-month-govt-scraps-business-register-overhaul/
>
>
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RE: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

[Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet]

You can also read the review. It’s available online. Riveting stuff, and of 
course, with lots redacted because we wouldn’t want to name names.

https://treasury.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-08/review-modernising-business-registers-program-report-redacted_0.pdf

Regards,

Greg

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From: mike smith via ozdotnet 
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 4:23 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Cc: mike smith 
Subject: Re: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

Here's a non paywalled one

https://www.innovationaus.com/burning-12m-a-month-govt-scraps-business-register-overhaul/



On Tue, 29 Aug 2023, 14:34 Tom Rutter via ozdotnet, 
mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>> wrote:
Another one bites the dust…

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/bleeding-money-labor-scraps-morrison-business-register-overhaul-20230827-p5dzpa

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Re: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

[mike smith via ozdotnet]

Here's a non paywalled one

https://www.innovationaus.com/burning-12m-a-month-govt-scraps-business-register-overhaul/



On Tue, 29 Aug 2023, 14:34 Tom Rutter via ozdotnet, 
wrote:

> Another one bites the dust…
>
>
> https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/bleeding-money-labor-scraps-morrison-business-register-overhaul-20230827-p5dzpa
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RE: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

[Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet]

Sadly true

Regards,

Greg

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From: David Connors via ozdotnet 
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 4:08 PM
To: ozDotNet 
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Subject: Re: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 at 16:01, Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet 
mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>> wrote:

[...]

 We just can’t keep doing this.

Oh, yes we can.

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Re: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

[Tony Wright via ozdotnet]

It's called money laundering. There are many ways to do it.

On Tue, 29 Aug 2023, 4:02 pm Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet, <
ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:

> I’ll bet it ends up reminiscent of the local hotel quarantine project.
> Unbelievable amounts spent on it but who authorised it? Apparently, no-one.
> Yet large sums were going out the door, and the “real” details need to
> remain secret.
>
>
>
> The Commonwealth Games? A fortune paid to consultants to do the costing,
> and when the price is $6B not $2B, no-one is apparently responsible, and
> worse, yet again, secrecy surrounds most of it.
>
>
>
> In Victoria, apparently we spent more on MyKi than NASA spent putting
> Curiosity on Mars, and NASA invented the Sky Crane as part of that project.
> We got a card system that’s already being replaced.
>
>
>
> The census debacle looks like a choice of the wrong technology, and wrong
> specifications for testing. But again, no heads roll when it happens.
>
>
>
> And so on, and so on.
>
>
>
> Apparently for this business register stuff, a primary issue is that the
> chosen platform didn’t go even close to meeting requirements or costs to
> modify. Yet,  again, I’ll bet no-one is responsible and wears the cost
> except the public.
>
>
>
> We just can’t keep doing this.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: https://sqldownunder.com | About Greg:
> https://about.me/greg.low
>
>
>
> *From:* Dr Greg Low
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 29, 2023 3:51 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Cc:* Tom Rutter 
> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b
>
>
>
> It’s only public money, right?
>
>
>
> In the end, who is getting sacked? Who is being sued? Who is bearing
> direct consequences of this, apart from the public?
>
>
>
> My guess? No-one.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: https://sqldownunder.com | About Greg:
> https://about.me/greg.low
>
>
>
> *From:* Tom Rutter via ozdotnet 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 29, 2023 3:02 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Cc:* Tom Rutter 
> *Subject:* [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b
>
>
>
> Another one bites the dust…
>
>
>
>
> https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/bleeding-money-labor-scraps-morrison-business-register-overhaul-20230827-p5dzpa
>
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Re: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

[David Connors via ozdotnet]

On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 at 16:01, Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet <
ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:

[...]

 We just can’t keep doing this.
>

Oh, yes we can.
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RE: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

[Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet]

I’ll bet it ends up reminiscent of the local hotel quarantine project. 
Unbelievable amounts spent on it but who authorised it? Apparently, no-one. Yet 
large sums were going out the door, and the “real” details need to remain 
secret.

The Commonwealth Games? A fortune paid to consultants to do the costing, and 
when the price is $6B not $2B, no-one is apparently responsible, and worse, yet 
again, secrecy surrounds most of it.

In Victoria, apparently we spent more on MyKi than NASA spent putting Curiosity 
on Mars, and NASA invented the Sky Crane as part of that project. We got a card 
system that’s already being replaced.

The census debacle looks like a choice of the wrong technology, and wrong 
specifications for testing. But again, no heads roll when it happens.

And so on, and so on.

Apparently for this business register stuff, a primary issue is that the chosen 
platform didn’t go even close to meeting requirements or costs to modify. Yet,  
again, I’ll bet no-one is responsible and wears the cost except the public.

We just can’t keep doing this.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile
SQL Down Under | Web: https://sqldownunder.com<https://sqldownunder.com/> | 
About Greg:  https://about.me/greg.low

From: Dr Greg Low
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 3:51 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Cc: Tom Rutter 
Subject: RE: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

It’s only public money, right?

In the end, who is getting sacked? Who is being sued? Who is bearing direct 
consequences of this, apart from the public?

My guess? No-one.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile
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From: Tom Rutter via ozdotnet 
mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 3:02 PM
To: ozDotNet mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Cc: Tom Rutter mailto:therut...@gmail.com>>
Subject: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

Another one bites the dust…

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/bleeding-money-labor-scraps-morrison-business-register-overhaul-20230827-p5dzpa

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RE: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

[Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet]

It’s only public money, right?

In the end, who is getting sacked? Who is being sued? Who is bearing direct 
consequences of this, apart from the public?

My guess? No-one.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile
SQL Down Under | Web: https://sqldownunder.com<https://sqldownunder.com/> | 
About Greg:  https://about.me/greg.low

From: Tom Rutter via ozdotnet 
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 3:02 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Cc: Tom Rutter 
Subject: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

Another one bites the dust…

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/bleeding-money-labor-scraps-morrison-business-register-overhaul-20230827-p5dzpa

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[OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

[Tom Rutter via ozdotnet]

Another one bites the dust…

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/bleeding-money-labor-scraps-morrison-business-register-overhaul-20230827-p5dzpa
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