Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Hi Sharon, Yes, we will do a workshop in Adelaide on: "Waterbirths minus the Mystery", a 'how to' for you ! I'm happy to respond, this is my area of speciality.I assume you aren't just after general knowledge as there is plenty of that available by googling on the net. You are in Adelaide if you'd like to get together a group of students or colleagues I could run a workshop for you on waterbirth. Perhaps if you do some homework re nice venues (ie roomy good energy) get an idea of numbers of your colleagues/peers interested ( 8 - 10 minimum) we could then fix a definite date. Some suggestions: Community house, approach local hospital, local clinic, your own or a friendshome, you just need a roomy lounge. They aregood fun we do a lot of hands on role play which is a great very effective way to learn . We do tend to remember things we've seen acted out as well as retain the info. Plus it gives you a chance to trouble-shoot regarding your particular situation. Also we find it helps to visualise problems how to overcome them retools, props,scenes, settings, emergencies etc. Look forward to hearing from you. With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: sharon To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 1:26 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth can anyone direct me where i can attend a class which teaches midwives about waterbirth. iam interested to offer women who i care for this service but i feel that i need to attend a study day or seminar so i can be more proficient in the care of women who want a waterbirth. thankyou sharon p.s. preferably in adelaide.
RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Hi Brenda, Not sure if you are aware, but SA is in the throes of releasing a government directed waterbirth policy for all public hospitals, it might be a great time for you to approach the maternity heads and offer to do some education along those lines, now that there is (nearly) an official policy on it. Just thought Id give you the heads up if no-one else had, your workshop sounds great, Id love to attend myself! Tania PS what are the costs involved? From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of brendamanning Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 5:15 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Sharon, Yes, we will do a workshop in Adelaide on: Waterbirths minus the Mystery, a 'how to' for you ! I'm happy to respond, this is my area of speciality.I assume you aren't just after general knowledge as there is plenty of that available by googling on the net. You are in Adelaide if you'd like to get together a group of students or colleagues I could run a workshop for you on waterbirth. Perhaps if you do some homework re nice venues (ie roomy good energy) get an idea of numbers of your colleagues/peers interested ( 8 - 10 minimum) we could then fix a definite date. Some suggestions: Community house, approach local hospital, local clinic, your own or a friendshome, you just need a roomy lounge. They aregood fun we do a lot of hands on role play which is a great very effective way to learn . We do tend to remember things we've seen acted out as well as retain the info. Plus it gives you a chance to trouble-shoot regarding your particular situation. Also we find it helps to visualise problems how to overcome them retools, props,scenes, settings, emergencies etc. Look forward to hearing from you. With kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: sharon To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 1:26 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth can anyone direct me where i can attend a class which teaches midwives about waterbirth. iam interested to offer women who i care for this service but i feel that i need to attend a study day or seminar so i can be more proficient in the care of women who want a waterbirth. thankyou sharon p.s. preferably in adelaide.
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Some students would definitely be interested - cost permitting. Kate - Original Message - From: brendamanning To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Sharon, Yes, we will do a workshop in Adelaide on: "Waterbirths minus the Mystery", a 'how to' for you ! I'm happy to respond, this is my area of speciality.I assume you aren't just after general knowledge as there is plenty of that available by googling on the net. You are in Adelaide if you'd like to get together a group of students or colleagues I could run a workshop for you on waterbirth. Perhaps if you do some homework re nice venues (ie roomy good energy) get an idea of numbers of your colleagues/peers interested ( 8 - 10 minimum) we could then fix a definite date. Some suggestions: Community house, approach local hospital, local clinic, your own or a friendshome, you just need a roomy lounge. They aregood fun we do a lot of hands on role play which is a great very effective way to learn . We do tend to remember things we've seen acted out as well as retain the info. Plus it gives you a chance to trouble-shoot regarding your particular situation. Also we find it helps to visualise problems how to overcome them retools, props,scenes, settings, emergencies etc. Look forward to hearing from you. With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: sharon To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 1:26 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth can anyone direct me where i can attend a class which teaches midwives about waterbirth. iam interested to offer women who i care for this service but i feel that i need to attend a study day or seminar so i can be more proficient in the care of women who want a waterbirth. thankyou sharon p.s. preferably in adelaide.
RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Title: Message The ACMI SA education sessions often address water birth. I know there will be a session on waterbirth at next April's Port Pirie information weekend. Perhaps contactACMI SA and ask if there is something closer. cheers Jo -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sharonSent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 12:57 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth can anyone direct me where i can attend a class which teaches midwives about waterbirth. iam interested to offer women who i care for this service but i feel that i need to attend a study day or seminar so i can be more proficient in the care of women who want a waterbirth. thankyou sharon p.s. preferably in adelaide. --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/149 - Release Date: 10/25/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/149 - Release Date: 10/25/2005
RE: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today...
Title: Message So inaccurate about what NP are going to be doing in Qld! Trials are in various areas- ED, Palliative Care, Rural and in Cairns Midwife. There are clear defined protocol and endorsed processes 'within' hospital frameworks. Scope of practice is clearly defined. Another example of AMA scaremongering and throwing a tantrum because they cannot get their own way. Check out the Queensland Nursing Council web site for info on NP. Cheers Barb -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tania SmallwoodSent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 8:06 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today... Could this be the thin edge of the wedgedo they see this as a way of banning independent midwifery too, or am I just being paranoid? Tania (who is aware that thankfully, we dont have to train as nurses any more to become a midwife, but the reality is that many of us are) http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,17070060%255E2682,00.html Nursing back-up under attackKARA PHILLIPS, Health Reporter29oct05 INDEPENDENT nurse practitioners, who are not made to report to doctors, should not be able to work in South Australia, the Australian Medical Association says.AMA state president Chris Cain said yesterday there was "growing concern" about nurse practitioners who did not have the full back-up support of a medical team. The comments come just days after The Advertiser reported the chronic GP shortage has reached crisis point in the city's outer suburbs, with doctors claiming GP patient ratios at 1:5521 in the Woodcroft area in the south and 1:7596 around Williamstown in the north. Interstate, particularly in Queensland where doctor shortages are severe, there has been extensive debate about whether to introduce independent nurse practitioners allowed to treat some patients without answering to a doctor or hospital medical team to ease the strain on the system. "We would strongly oppose that move here in SA," Dr Cain said. "If there are doctor shortages, train more doctors don't put people with fewers skills into those positions." Dr Cain stressed the state's existing nurse practitioners, including the state's first paediatric palliative nurse practitioner Sara Fleming who started in her new role this week were not a problem. "There are doctors and audit processes to protect the health of patients." Ms Fleming, a Women's and Children's Hospital nurse, said her role would help cut treatment time and hospital stays for seriously ill children.
RE: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today...
Title: Message Not just a question for Barb, but anyone who knows about it, Im curious to know about the Midwife/nurse practitioner that you refer to in Qld. What exactly do they do? How is this different to working within the scope of a registered midwife? Im aware that the college is not supportive of the notion of midwives becoming NPs, but Im actually interested in what role they play in maternity care over and above the general run of the mill midwife? Cheers, Tania
Re: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today...
a big part of it is the multi skilling crap which is just a way of getting constant work out an individual which i think is why so many places are against direct mid entry midwives, they cant be used like slaves to work everywhere anywhere anytime. it is an evolving problem and much to do with globalisation and utilising the human resources to the best benefit of corporation which hospitals are fast becoming. The macdonaldisation of society!!! It really worries me Belinda Tania Smallwood wrote: Not just a question for Barb, but anyone who knows about it, I’m curious to know about the Midwife/nurse practitioner that you refer to in Qld. What exactly do they do? How is this different to working within the scope of a registered midwife? I’m aware that the college is not supportive of the notion of midwives becoming NP’s, but I’m actually interested in what role they play in maternity care over and above the general run of the mill midwife? Cheers, Tania -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today...
Love that term, Macdonaldisation! I also get concerned when I hear of midwives needing to be upskilled to attend 'normal' births, or to give women care in water, etc. I think as a midwife we should all be able to handle the 'normal'. I personally would need upskilling to work in a tertiary institution with all those machines that go 'ping'! Tania -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2005 1:57 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today... a big part of it is the multi skilling crap which is just a way of getting constant work out an individual which i think is why so many places are against direct mid entry midwives, they cant be used like slaves to work everywhere anywhere anytime. it is an evolving problem and much to do with globalisation and utilising the human resources to the best benefit of corporation which hospitals are fast becoming. The macdonaldisation of society!!! It really worries me Belinda Tania Smallwood wrote: Not just a question for Barb, but anyone who knows about it, I'm curious to know about the Midwife/nurse practitioner that you refer to in Qld. What exactly do they do? How is this different to working within the scope of a registered midwife? I'm aware that the college is not supportive of the notion of midwives becoming NP's, but I'm actually interested in what role they play in maternity care over and above the general run of the mill midwife? Cheers, Tania -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] The value of online forums/lists
I have been thinking about the value of online lists/forums lately ( having been a lurker both on ozmidwifery andC-Aware for a few years now), and wondering how many midwives routinely give out a list ofavailableforum websites to the women in their care. I think it would be extremely valuable to them and much more empowering than a lot of the other educational material (pamphlets etc)we dish out routinely at antenatal visits and classes. For those of you who already do, could you tell me which ones you think arethe best to recommend both for general pregnancy/birth education as well as the more situation specific ones such as C-Aware. C-Aware for those that don't know is a great resource for all those women trying to achieve VBAC and promotes general discussion on caesarian birth. Obviously not all women will feel the need to access such forums/lists but I believeit would be valued by enough women to at least give theminformation to decide for themselves. Also wondering how thepowers that be would handle it, given the unreliable nature of so many of thee-medicine websites around.So if any of you working in a hospitalcurrently do, then have you met with obstacles from management e.g. it being considered inappropriate??? In addition, logging on to forums such as C-Aware should be mandatoryfor all student midwives and trainee obstetriciansas has been suggested by that list recently and is apparently already being implemented by a few of the universities (for student midwives anyway I think). Interested in your thoughts on this topic.. Helen Cahill
Re: [ozmidwifery] The value of online forums/lists
Helen, I think these communities are invaluable. For many women they're the only place they receive support for normal physiological birth or after trauma. There are oceans of groups, small and large, run by consumers on yahoo and other email lists. Off the top of my head, I've been to groups for uterine rupture PPH recovery emergency hysterectomy support HBAC VBAC and so many for empowered birth, freebirth, birth after trauma, I can't begin to list them all. Surely something is wrong in our system if it requires this much attention to recover from it? I always hope that every home birth midwife gives their clients the details of the Joyous Birth forums (and upcoming website!) because it's one of the best places for real, genuine, evidence-based birth information in Australia and so many hb groups have details of their meetings up there. It's also the only home birth based forum in the world and totally run by consumers. Not that I'm biassed ; ) But it is! : ) J Joyous Birth Home Birth Forum - a world first!http://www.joyousbirth.info/forums/ Accessing Artemis Birth Trauma Recoveryhttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/accessingartemis
[ozmidwifery] addresses
please help r u there or can you help need to contact angela hooper tina pettigrew lyn from family bc geelong thankyou jan
Re: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today...
Belinda, you are right. I am the first direct entry midwife at the hospital I work at. There were concerns about my competency - I pointed out that I had done the equivalent of a 4yr degree in midwifery (UK) and had plenty of post grad experience of midwifery-led care. But, the main concern was that I would not be able to be moved into other areas of the hospital if needed or look after medical boarders. I'm a level 2, so probably would not have to move anyhow, but I wonder if they would have given me a level 1 job? Rachel From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today... Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:26:43 -0700 a big part of it is the multi skilling crap which is just a way of getting constant work out an individual which i think is why so many places are against direct mid entry midwives, they cant be used like slaves to work everywhere anywhere anytime. it is an evolving problem and much to do with globalisation and utilising the human resources to the best benefit of corporation which hospitals are fast becoming. The macdonaldisation of society!!! It really worries me Belinda Tania Smallwood wrote: Not just a question for Barb, but anyone who knows about it, Im curious to know about the Midwife/nurse practitioner that you refer to in Qld. What exactly do they do? How is this different to working within the scope of a registered midwife? Im aware that the college is not supportive of the notion of midwives becoming NPs, but Im actually interested in what role they play in maternity care over and above the general run of the mill midwife? Cheers, Tania -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. _ MSN Messenger 7.5 is now out. Download it for FREE here. http://messenger.msn.co.uk -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
thanks tania. - Original Message - From: Tania Smallwood To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 5:17 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth You could always come along to a homebirth network meeting, there are always lots of women who have laboured and birthed in water there, and believe me, youll learn more from them than you will from any class or seminar! There are usually a couple of homebirth midwives there too, Wendy and I make it a date not to miss unless were at a birth. Next meeting is next Fri, 10-12 at the Eastwood community centre contact me if you need any further info Tania xx From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of sharonSent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 12:57 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth can anyone direct me where i can attend a class which teaches midwives about waterbirth. iam interested to offer women who i care for this service but i feel that i need to attend a study day or seminar so i can be more proficient in the care of women who want a waterbirth. thankyou sharon p.s. preferably in adelaide.
RE: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today...
I think any midwife who has spent their career in a hospital setting would need 're-wiring' to attend homebirths. Hospital birth is so different to homebirth, and the danger is that midwives bring the hospital and it's guidelines to the home. I don't think it is a case of 'upskilling', just a totally different way of working and hospital midwives have been oppressed and socialised into a particular way of practising. They often lack confidence in their own midwifery skills and women's ability to birth. Rachel - trapped in a hospital with pinging machines and missing homebirth and midwifery. From: Tania Smallwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today... Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:06:12 +0930 Love that term, Macdonaldisation! I also get concerned when I hear of midwives needing to be upskilled to attend 'normal' births, or to give women care in water, etc. I think as a midwife we should all be able to handle the 'normal'. I personally would need upskilling to work in a tertiary institution with all those machines that go 'ping'! Tania -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2005 1:57 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today... a big part of it is the multi skilling crap which is just a way of getting constant work out an individual which i think is why so many places are against direct mid entry midwives, they cant be used like slaves to work everywhere anywhere anytime. it is an evolving problem and much to do with globalisation and utilising the human resources to the best benefit of corporation which hospitals are fast becoming. The macdonaldisation of society!!! It really worries me Belinda Tania Smallwood wrote: Not just a question for Barb, but anyone who knows about it, I'm curious to know about the Midwife/nurse practitioner that you refer to in Qld. What exactly do they do? How is this different to working within the scope of a registered midwife? I'm aware that the college is not supportive of the notion of midwives becoming NP's, but I'm actually interested in what role they play in maternity care over and above the general run of the mill midwife? Cheers, Tania -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. _ MSN Messenger 7.5 is now out. Download it for FREE here. http://messenger.msn.co.uk -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today...
Agree with all of that Rachel, and sorry if it seemed I was having a go - not intended at all. What I feel is sad is that what you are talking about is not widely acknowledged, not by the midwives working in the hospital system that I know anyway. They seem to hide behind this notion of needing to be upskilled rather than acknowledging that for many of them, the system they work in has resulted in them becoming deskilled and desensitized to the realities of birth. I like the idea of rewiring! I think I'd need a total motherboard overhaul to work just one shift in a labour and delivery suite. Well done for being able to deliver care to the women who really need it in the system, hats off to you! Tania xxx -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wump fish Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2005 9:38 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today... I think any midwife who has spent their career in a hospital setting would need 're-wiring' to attend homebirths. Hospital birth is so different to homebirth, and the danger is that midwives bring the hospital and it's guidelines to the home. I don't think it is a case of 'upskilling', just a totally different way of working and hospital midwives have been oppressed and socialised into a particular way of practising. They often lack confidence in their own midwifery skills and women's ability to birth. Rachel - trapped in a hospital with pinging machines and missing homebirth and midwifery. From: Tania Smallwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today... Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:06:12 +0930 Love that term, Macdonaldisation! I also get concerned when I hear of midwives needing to be upskilled to attend 'normal' births, or to give women care in water, etc. I think as a midwife we should all be able to handle the 'normal'. I personally would need upskilling to work in a tertiary institution with all those machines that go 'ping'! Tania -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2005 1:57 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today... a big part of it is the multi skilling crap which is just a way of getting constant work out an individual which i think is why so many places are against direct mid entry midwives, they cant be used like slaves to work everywhere anywhere anytime. it is an evolving problem and much to do with globalisation and utilising the human resources to the best benefit of corporation which hospitals are fast becoming. The macdonaldisation of society!!! It really worries me Belinda Tania Smallwood wrote: Not just a question for Barb, but anyone who knows about it, I'm curious to know about the Midwife/nurse practitioner that you refer to in Qld. What exactly do they do? How is this different to working within the scope of a registered midwife? I'm aware that the college is not supportive of the notion of midwives becoming NP's, but I'm actually interested in what role they play in maternity care over and above the general run of the mill midwife? Cheers, Tania -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. _ MSN Messenger 7.5 is now out. Download it for FREE here. http://messenger.msn.co.uk -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today...
I love the accepted arrogance that people get the best treatments from medical doctoors Time there was a seriens on Iatrogenisis Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Tania Smallwood To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 6:05 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today... Could this be the thin edge of the wedge do they see this as a way of banning independent midwifery too, or am I just being paranoid? Tania (who is aware that thankfully, we dont have to train as nurses any more to become a midwife, but the reality is that many of us are ) http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,17070060%255E2682,00.html Nursing back-up under attackKARA PHILLIPS, Health Reporter29oct05 INDEPENDENT nurse practitioners, who are not made to report to doctors, should not be able to work in South Australia, the Australian Medical Association says.AMA state president Chris Cain said yesterday there was "growing concern" about nurse practitioners who did not have the full back-up support of a medical team. The comments come just days after The Advertiser reported the chronic GP shortage has reached crisis point in the city's outer suburbs, with doctors claiming GP patient ratios at 1:5521 in the Woodcroft area in the south and 1:7596 around Williamstown in the north. Interstate, particularly in Queensland where doctor shortages are severe, there has been extensive debate about whether to introduce independent nurse practitioners allowed to treat some patients without answering to a doctor or hospital medical team to ease the strain on the system. "We would strongly oppose that move here in SA," Dr Cain said. "If there are doctor shortages, train more doctors don't put people with fewers skills into those positions." Dr Cain stressed the state's existing nurse practitioners, including the state's first paediatric palliative nurse practitioner Sara Fleming who started in her new role this week were not a problem. "There are doctors and audit processes to protect the health of patients." Ms Fleming, a Women's and Children's Hospital nurse, said her role would help cut treatment time and hospital stays for seriously ill children. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/150 - Release Date: 27/10/2005
[ozmidwifery] FW: Thought you might be interested
Title: Message From: Wayne McCullough [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 28 October 2005 11:54 AMTo: HomeSubject: Thought you might be interested Thought you might be interested in the second paragraph of this story about ALP tax which says.. Opposition frontbenchers met corporate leaders yesterday to also signal the ALP's support for competition reform, including moves to break open the doctors' "closed shop" by allowing a greater role for midwives and nurses. http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17057849-2,00.html
RE: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today...
Tania - I didn't think you were having a go at all! In the UK I was lucky enough to gain experience of community based midwifery-led care (homebirths etc) and midwifery-led care in a large regional referral unit (high risk heaven). It was interesting that I was perceived by colleagues as has having a higher level of skill and kudos when working in hospital on birth suite. Whereas, I felt I had to use a higher level of skill in the community setting. I think part of the problem in hospital based midwifery is where the emphasis is placed in education and updates - for example, CTG interpretation, resus, emergencies etc. There is kudo is being competent in the management of abnormal and emergencies. Unfortunately, there is not the same emphasis placed on the skills involved in facilitating physiological birth and preventing those emergencies from occuring in the first place. Risk management strategies are also back-to-front and result concentrate on the symptoms ignoring the cause. Anyhow... I could rant on forever about risk management and education. So I will shut up for now. Rachel x From: Tania Smallwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today... Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 10:03:02 +1030 Agree with all of that Rachel, and sorry if it seemed I was having a go - not intended at all. What I feel is sad is that what you are talking about is not widely acknowledged, not by the midwives working in the hospital system that I know anyway. They seem to hide behind this notion of needing to be upskilled rather than acknowledging that for many of them, the system they work in has resulted in them becoming deskilled and desensitized to the realities of birth. I like the idea of rewiring! I think I'd need a total motherboard overhaul to work just one shift in a labour and delivery suite. Well done for being able to deliver care to the women who really need it in the system, hats off to you! Tania xxx -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wump fish Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2005 9:38 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today... I think any midwife who has spent their career in a hospital setting would need 're-wiring' to attend homebirths. Hospital birth is so different to homebirth, and the danger is that midwives bring the hospital and it's guidelines to the home. I don't think it is a case of 'upskilling', just a totally different way of working and hospital midwives have been oppressed and socialised into a particular way of practising. They often lack confidence in their own midwifery skills and women's ability to birth. Rachel - trapped in a hospital with pinging machines and missing homebirth and midwifery. From: Tania Smallwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today... Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:06:12 +0930 Love that term, Macdonaldisation! I also get concerned when I hear of midwives needing to be upskilled to attend 'normal' births, or to give women care in water, etc. I think as a midwife we should all be able to handle the 'normal'. I personally would need upskilling to work in a tertiary institution with all those machines that go 'ping'! Tania -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2005 1:57 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today... a big part of it is the multi skilling crap which is just a way of getting constant work out an individual which i think is why so many places are against direct mid entry midwives, they cant be used like slaves to work everywhere anywhere anytime. it is an evolving problem and much to do with globalisation and utilising the human resources to the best benefit of corporation which hospitals are fast becoming. The macdonaldisation of society!!! It really worries me Belinda Tania Smallwood wrote: Not just a question for Barb, but anyone who knows about it, I'm curious to know about the Midwife/nurse practitioner that you refer to in Qld. What exactly do they do? How is this different to working within the scope of a registered midwife? I'm aware that the college is not supportive of the notion of midwives becoming NP's, but I'm actually interested in what role they play in maternity care over and above the general run of the mill midwife? Cheers, Tania -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. _ MSN Messenger 7.5 is now out.
RE: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today...
Rachel, working in homebirths makes me very interested in risk management and education. I would appreciate hearing what you have to say, so rave on. Mary M There is kudo is being competent in the management of abnormal and emergencies. Unfortunately, there is not the same emphasis placed on the skills involved in facilitating physiological birth and preventing those emergencies from occuring in the first place. Risk management strategies are also back-to-front and result concentrate on the symptoms ignoring the cause. Anyhow... I could rant on forever about risk management and education. So I will shut up for now. Rachel x -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today...
Rachel, Please don't 'shut up for now', as you know once you start 'not' saying things it becomes a habit that they never get said at all! Also I enjoy your posts ! I wonder why you aren't attending homebirths here if you enjoy then so much ? There is no money in it (not the way I practice anyway LOL) but if it's where your heart lies then you make do somehow. I work bank at the birth centre to feed the family homebirths in the community to feed my soul ! I totally agree with you, it requires a complete change of mindset when I work for myself. Work in the unit, (and I work in a very lovely liberal unit if you strretch the boundaries of the prescriptive policies )requires my brain to function in a straight line. Alot of it is damage control treating the symptoms which the system often causes. However in my practice my brain works in a circle (if you can understand the metaphor) focuses largely on preventing the problem occurring in the first place. ! Not sure I can explain it but that's how it feels ! With kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: wump fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 12:45 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today... Tania - I didn't think you were having a go at all! In the UK I was lucky enough to gain experience of community based midwifery-led care (homebirths etc) and midwifery-led care in a large regional referral unit (high risk heaven). It was interesting that I was perceived by colleagues as has having a higher level of skill and kudos when working in hospital on birth suite. Whereas, I felt I had to use a higher level of skill in the community setting. I think part of the problem in hospital based midwifery is where the emphasis is placed in education and updates - for example, CTG interpretation, resus, emergencies etc. There is kudo is being competent in the management of abnormal and emergencies. Unfortunately, there is not the same emphasis placed on the skills involved in facilitating physiological birth and preventing those emergencies from occuring in the first place. Risk management strategies are also back-to-front and result concentrate on the symptoms ignoring the cause. Anyhow... I could rant on forever about risk management and education. So I will shut up for now. Rachel x From: Tania Smallwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today... Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 10:03:02 +1030 Agree with all of that Rachel, and sorry if it seemed I was having a go - not intended at all. What I feel is sad is that what you are talking about is not widely acknowledged, not by the midwives working in the hospital system that I know anyway. They seem to hide behind this notion of needing to be upskilled rather than acknowledging that for many of them, the system they work in has resulted in them becoming deskilled and desensitized to the realities of birth. I like the idea of rewiring! I think I'd need a total motherboard overhaul to work just one shift in a labour and delivery suite. Well done for being able to deliver care to the women who really need it in the system, hats off to you! Tania xxx -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wump fish Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2005 9:38 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today... I think any midwife who has spent their career in a hospital setting would need 're-wiring' to attend homebirths. Hospital birth is so different to homebirth, and the danger is that midwives bring the hospital and it's guidelines to the home. I don't think it is a case of 'upskilling', just a totally different way of working and hospital midwives have been oppressed and socialised into a particular way of practising. They often lack confidence in their own midwifery skills and women's ability to birth. Rachel - trapped in a hospital with pinging machines and missing homebirth and midwifery. From: Tania Smallwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today... Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:06:12 +0930 Love that term, Macdonaldisation! I also get concerned when I hear of midwives needing to be upskilled to attend 'normal' births, or to give women care in water, etc. I think as a midwife we should all be able to handle the 'normal'. I personally would need upskilling to work in a tertiary institution with all those machines that go 'ping'! Tania -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2005 1:57 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today... a big part of it is the multi
Re: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today...
I'm with you on this MM !! Tell us more Rachel. The thoughts are often the same you know, they just come out of our mouths, brains or fingers differently ! With kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 1:26 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today... Rachel, working in homebirths makes me very interested in risk management and education. I would appreciate hearing what you have to say, so rave on. Mary M There is kudo is being competent in the management of abnormal and emergencies. Unfortunately, there is not the same emphasis placed on the skills involved in facilitating physiological birth and preventing those emergencies from occuring in the first place. Risk management strategies are also back-to-front and result concentrate on the symptoms ignoring the cause. Anyhow... I could rant on forever about risk management and education. So I will shut up for now. Rachel x -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Tania, I replied to you off line about this but I'm not sure the email at the birth centre is working well. Would you email me off line about it ? I would like to ask some questions. I usually charge per head cover travel costs. Thanks. With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Tania Smallwood To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 7:12 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Brenda, Not sure if you are aware, but SA is in the throes of releasing a government directed waterbirth policy for all public hospitals, it might be a great time for you to approach the maternity heads and offer to do some education along those lines, now that there is (nearly) an official policy on it. Just thought Id give you the heads up if no-one else had, your workshop sounds great, Id love to attend myself! Tania PS what are the costs involved? From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of brendamanningSent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 5:15 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Sharon, Yes, we will do a workshop in Adelaide on: "Waterbirths minus the Mystery", a 'how to' for you ! I'm happy to respond, this is my area of speciality.I assume you aren't just after general knowledge as there is plenty of that available by googling on the net. You are in Adelaide if you'd like to get together a group of students or colleagues I could run a workshop for you on waterbirth. Perhaps if you do some homework re nice venues (ie roomy good energy) get an idea of numbers of your colleagues/peers interested ( 8 - 10 minimum) we could then fix a definite date. Some suggestions: Community house, approach local hospital, local clinic, your own or a friendshome, you just need a roomy lounge. They aregood fun we do a lot of hands on role play which is a great very effective way to learn . We do tend to remember things we've seen acted out as well as retain the info. Plus it gives you a chance to trouble-shoot regarding your particular situation. Also we find it helps to visualise problems how to overcome them retools, props,scenes, settings, emergencies etc. Look forward to hearing from you. With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: sharon To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 1:26 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth can anyone direct me where i can attend a class which teaches midwives about waterbirth. iam interested to offer women who i care for this service but i feel that i need to attend a study day or seminar so i can be more proficient in the care of women who want a waterbirth. thankyou sharon p.s. preferably in adelaide.
RE: [ozmidwifery] risk management
I just think that the there are a number of problems generated by applying the current risk management strategies in health care to midwifery care. The strategies centred around adverse events analysis claim to be focussed on systems and not individuals. However, this is often not how they are perceived by those involved in the events. In the UK we had 'risk management meetings' every morning to discuss the events in the last 24hrs. Everyone was invited, but of course most midwives were busy caring for women and couldn't get to them. Instead management and the drs sat around and used the notes to discuss care (no names but everyone knew who was involved), the risk of litigation and improvements etc. This was very intimidating for the midwives and was referred to as 'the lynch mob' or the 'witch hunt'. These meetings often totally missed the point because they were focussed on what the participants thought was important - not the women. For example, one of the women I cared for postnatally had had an emergency c-section for fetal distress. The baby ended up with a cut on his face and the meeting discussed the cut. The mother did not give a stuff about the cut on her baby's face, but I spent many hours at her house due to the psychological effects of her experience during an unneccesary fetal blood sampling (flash backs, nightmares, anxiety attacks etc). They would analyse and discuss a poor forceps birth and how to improve the technique - but would not discuss and analyse how this OP baby could have been encouraged to rotate during labour so that the forceps did not need to be used in the first place. I became quite famous at these meeting for my opinionated and arsey contributions - it was almost fun throwing spanners (and research) in the works. Re-focusing risk managment onto optimal outcomes rather than adverse outcomes my be more appropriate and lead to improvements in women's birth experiences. There is a good chapter in Normal Childbirth: evidence and debate (ed Soo Downe) about risk, safety etc. If our aim was to improve outcomes - ie. women's satisfaction with their birth experiences, increasing the normal birth rate etc, we may find the system starts to change in our favour. Looking at why things go well rather than why they go wrong. Education could focus on facilitating physiological birth and improving the birth experience and very importantly - information giving. Obviously midwives still need education in dealing with emergencies, but preventing emergencies should be given equal weighting. Ok, end of my opinionated and arsey contribution ; ) Rachel From: Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today... Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 10:26:53 +0800 Rachel, working in homebirths makes me very interested in risk management and education. I would appreciate hearing what you have to say, so rave on. Mary M There is kudo is being competent in the management of abnormal and emergencies. Unfortunately, there is not the same emphasis placed on the skills involved in facilitating physiological birth and preventing those emergencies from occuring in the first place. Risk management strategies are also back-to-front and result concentrate on the symptoms ignoring the cause. Anyhow... I could rant on forever about risk management and education. So I will shut up for now. Rachel x -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. _ The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today...
Hi Brenda, I know exactly what you mean about thinking in lines and circles! I think this is my big problem. I think in circles in the hospital setting which does not go down too well. As for why I am not attending homebirths. In the UK I attended homebirths funded by the NHS (medicare) and backed-up by the maternity system. I worked in a community team and we covered the on-call between 4 of us. I'm in Queensland now and things are a bit different. If I want to do homebirths I would have to be an independent mw. I don't feel that I know the system here well enough after only 9 months. Also I would have to practise without insurance or back-up or a midwifery team. The hospital setting is very frustrating and I plan to escape within 2 years. Not sure where - research, education. supermarket. Rachel From: brendamanning [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today... Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:11:25 +1100 Rachel, Please don't 'shut up for now', as you know once you start 'not' saying things it becomes a habit that they never get said at all! Also I enjoy your posts ! I wonder why you aren't attending homebirths here if you enjoy then so much ? There is no money in it (not the way I practice anyway LOL) but if it's where your heart lies then you make do somehow. I work bank at the birth centre to feed the family homebirths in the community to feed my soul ! I totally agree with you, it requires a complete change of mindset when I work for myself. Work in the unit, (and I work in a very lovely liberal unit if you strretch the boundaries of the prescriptive policies )requires my brain to function in a straight line. Alot of it is damage control treating the symptoms which the system often causes. However in my practice my brain works in a circle (if you can understand the metaphor) focuses largely on preventing the problem occurring in the first place. ! Not sure I can explain it but that's how it feels ! With kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: wump fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 12:45 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today... Tania - I didn't think you were having a go at all! In the UK I was lucky enough to gain experience of community based midwifery-led care (homebirths etc) and midwifery-led care in a large regional referral unit (high risk heaven). It was interesting that I was perceived by colleagues as has having a higher level of skill and kudos when working in hospital on birth suite. Whereas, I felt I had to use a higher level of skill in the community setting. I think part of the problem in hospital based midwifery is where the emphasis is placed in education and updates - for example, CTG interpretation, resus, emergencies etc. There is kudo is being competent in the management of abnormal and emergencies. Unfortunately, there is not the same emphasis placed on the skills involved in facilitating physiological birth and preventing those emergencies from occuring in the first place. Risk management strategies are also back-to-front and result concentrate on the symptoms ignoring the cause. Anyhow... I could rant on forever about risk management and education. So I will shut up for now. Rachel x From: Tania Smallwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today... Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 10:03:02 +1030 Agree with all of that Rachel, and sorry if it seemed I was having a go - not intended at all. What I feel is sad is that what you are talking about is not widely acknowledged, not by the midwives working in the hospital system that I know anyway. They seem to hide behind this notion of needing to be upskilled rather than acknowledging that for many of them, the system they work in has resulted in them becoming deskilled and desensitized to the realities of birth. I like the idea of rewiring! I think I'd need a total motherboard overhaul to work just one shift in a labour and delivery suite. Well done for being able to deliver care to the women who really need it in the system, hats off to you! Tania xxx -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wump fish Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2005 9:38 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] The Advertiser today... I think any midwife who has spent their career in a hospital setting would need 're-wiring' to attend homebirths. Hospital birth is so different to homebirth, and the danger is that midwives bring the hospital and it's guidelines to the home. I don't think it is a case of 'upskilling', just a totally different way of working and hospital midwives have been oppressed and
[ozmidwifery] direct entry legislation
I'm about to start an assignment and need pointing in the right direction. People keep telling that there is some legislation change about to happen in Queensland which will result in unis being able to run direct entry mw courses. Does anyone know what this legislation is, or how I can access it? Rachel _ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
