[ozmidwifery] article in our local paper today

[Andrea Quanchi]

This was in our local paper today and I thought you might be 
interested. I sent them an email over a month ago when I received a 
copy of the report and it took till now for it to appear.

Andrea Quanchi

http://rivheraldechuca.net/story.asp?TakeNo=200601066155153

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Surrounding the birthing mother

[Janet Fraser]

> I sense the time is ripe for MAJOR change to take place.  I am tired to
the
> bone of attending women who are abused..  whose babies are traumatized and
> beaten in the name of medical righteousness because the hospitals only
know
> one way to identify "normal."

Speaking as one of those abused women :) I'd take the cast of Ben Hur and
Titanic with me if I thought it would keep me safe. I'm fortunate this
pregnancy to have a MW who TFs to the hospy where she works and thus doesn't
get pushed around and ignored. But how many of us get that luxury? It's one
of the reasons I've chosen her! I plan to be a lot less helpful in any
future hospital experiences as that just got me PTSD.

Whatever we do, we REALLY REALLY need to talk as a society about how unsafe
women can be in places where no doesn't mean no, or it means security gets
called.
How do we manage it?
J
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Surrounding the birthing mother

[Ken WArd]

My guess. When they refused to leave, security would be called. Seriously,
how many women truly want all those people around them when they are trying
to with draw into themselves. Distraction can stop labour, although I have
personally been with women who have had the cast of Ben Hur present, with no
probs. Better to have a couple of strong women who can defend the door and
keep unwanteds out. I have had women turn up, surrounded by other women, so
All I could do was check bubs heart rate. Facing away from the midwife while
having a waterbirth is also a good way to prevent fiddling. I didn't know
bub was out till mum lifted him out of the water, and that's the way to do
it. I admit, I do get a bit cheesed when they turn up with 101 friends, they
chose to birth at the BC because of the non-interference approach. They are
suppose to trust us, but obliviously some don't. Our repeat customers don't
tend too,

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Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:16:27 -0600
   From: ICAN Manitoba
Subject: Looking for Change

Hi all
My question is - what would happen if women started showing up at the
hospital with many many women surrounding them - I mean families of women -
aunts, grammas, mothers, sisters, cousins, best friends, adopted family,
doulas, midwives - each woman entering the hosptial with I don't know 20-30
women encircling her.  Post menopausal women who are not afraid.  Young
women who don't yet know what to fear.  How long would it be before women
chose not to take the trip with that crowd - but rather instead chose to
stay at home enclosed in their warm and caring and loving and supportive
arms?

What would happen??

I know on some level this is a fantasitcal idea - but think about
it.  If we
each had women who cared so deeply for us that they were willing to truely
go to bat for us - how many unncessary episiotomies, epidurals, forceps
deliveries, cesarean sections would be performed??

I sense the time is ripe for MAJOR change to take place.  I am tired to the
bone of attending women who are abused..  whose babies are traumatized and
beaten in the name of medical righteousness because the hospitals only know
one way to identify "normal."

What would happen?

Jamie

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[ozmidwifery] Surrounding the birthing mother

[Gloria Lemay]

Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:16:27 -0600
  From: ICAN Manitoba
Subject: Looking for Change

Hi all
My question is - what would happen if women started showing up at the
hospital with many many women surrounding them - I mean families of women -
aunts, grammas, mothers, sisters, cousins, best friends, adopted family,
doulas, midwives - each woman entering the hosptial with I don't know 20-30
women encircling her.  Post menopausal women who are not afraid.  Young
women who don't yet know what to fear.  How long would it be before women
chose not to take the trip with that crowd - but rather instead chose to
stay at home enclosed in their warm and caring and loving and supportive
arms?

What would happen??

I know on some level this is a fantasitcal idea - but think about 
it.  If we

each had women who cared so deeply for us that they were willing to truely
go to bat for us - how many unncessary episiotomies, epidurals, forceps
deliveries, cesarean sections would be performed??

I sense the time is ripe for MAJOR change to take place.  I am tired to the
bone of attending women who are abused..  whose babies are traumatized and
beaten in the name of medical righteousness because the hospitals only know
one way to identify "normal."

What would happen?

Jamie

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[ozmidwifery] Arabic Speaking Support Person? Victoria.

[Kelly @ BellyBelly]

Hello,

 

I have been contacted by a support worker who is seeking
help for a vulnerable woman who cannot afford to pay for a support person, so
it would suit someone who is happy to do this birth gratis. There is a catch,
the woman is Sudanese and speaks Arabic, very little English! She would be grateful
for support from anyone, but particularly anyone who can speak Arabic. 

 

She is a single mother of 5 children, number 6 on the way,
so she has given birth before but never in Australia, so she’s after
someone to be with her to help make the process much less daunting. She is
in the Frankston area. 

 

She is unsure of her due date; she has not had any medical
attention yet. She has an appointment booked to have the ultrasound to give her
an idea soon. They are predicting April.



Best
Regards,

Kelly Zantey
Creator, BellyBelly.com.au 
Gentle Solutions For Conception,
Pregnancy, Birth & Parenthood
BellyBelly Birth Support



 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Co sleeping

[Kylie Carberry]

"There are always gonna be parents that have no interest in having theirchild share a bed with them and expect them to sleep a minimum of 8 hours ina row each night"
Just something on this comment...I have had four children and was never really comfortable sharing a bed with my babies.  I tried but neither me or hubby could sleep with them in there with us. However, I never expected them to sleep 8 hours each night.  They had their own room close to ours, were fed on demand, very loved, held and played with lots.  Thre were very content, one wasn't and still isn't.  Just want to point out that mums who don't want to share a bed shouldn't be criticised either.
Kylie


From: "jesse/jayne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Co sleepingDate: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:42:02 +1100>I think this is a bigger deal in the US than here in Australia. I never>got anything like the reactions these women are describing when I had my>first child 14 years ago. In fact, a couple of the midwives where I birthed>my daughter matter of factly told me I should put her in the bed with me! I>remember hearing about 'Ferberising' since the internet became commonplace>but 'controlled crying' had a bit of a hold here ever since I can remember.>There are always gonna be parents that have no interest in having their>child share a bed with them and expect them to sleep a minimum of 8 
hours in>a row each nightI've noticed it's kind of a thing parents like to brag>about, just like early toilet training!>>My European mother in law didn't blink an eye when I did it (she did it with>all 9 of her children) and Aussie women my mother's age often confided that>they did it secretly and had the fear of God put into them that they would>suffocate their babies.>>It's sad that women can't listen to themselves and their babies to begin>with.>>Regards>>Jayne>- Original Message ->From: "Gloria Lemay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>To: ; ;>; ; <@uniserve.com>>Sent: Friday, January 06, 
2006 4:05 AM>Subject: [ozmidwifery] Co sleeping>>> > From Laura Shanley:> >> > Did you see the article in last week's Times about co-sleeping> > (12/29/05)? Not too bad! I'm enclosing it below. The last paragraph> > says it all! Love, Laura> >> >>http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/29/fashion/thursdaystyles/29sleep.html?pagewanted=all> >> > And Baby Makes Three in One Bed> >> > By AMY HARMON> > Published: December 29, 2005> > JENNIFER JAKOVICH has spent most of her 5-month-old daughter's life> > dodging questions from friends, family and strangers about how and where> > Chloe sleeps. But since hearing that Dr. Richard Ferber, the country's> > most famous infant sleep expert, has relaxed his admonition 
against> > parents sleeping with their babies, she has taken a different tack.> >> > Jennifer and John Jakovich (with Chloe) consider themselves vindicated> > by the reversal of Dr. Richard Ferber, the infant sleep expert.> > "I now mention Ferber's new view while openly admitting to co-sleeping,"> > said Ms. Jakovich, an engineer in San Diego. She has broken the news to> > friends that Chloe sleeps in the same bed with her and her husband,> > John, a computer programmer. "I feel I have now been given the green> > light, that it's O.K."> >> > The Jackoviches are part of a growing group of American parents who> > share a bed with their baby, a common practice in the rest of the world,> > which had become nearly taboo in this country. A survey by the 
National> > Institute of Child Health and Human Development has found that about> > one-fifth of parents with infants up to eight months old said the baby> > usually shared a bed with them, more than triple the number of a decade> > ago.> >> > The trend appears to be driven largely by the increase in breastfeeding> > working mothers, who say it allows them to connect with their babies and> > still get some sleep. But given the prevailing cultural distaste, many> > parents say they have felt compelled to hide their shared sleeping> > arrangements.> >> > It is a testament to Dr. Ferber's influence that even the halfhearted> > nod he has given the practice in interviews has inspired a kind of> > collective coming-out party among co-sleeping parents. 
Transcripts of> > his network news and talk show appearances last month are being> > circulated on the Internet and recited on the playground.> >> > "Even though I shouldn't have to defend myself, it is nice to have> > that," Ms. Jakovich said. Like many other parents, she never intended to> > sleep with her daughter. "My view was that granola-hippie-type people> > co-sleep," she added.> >> > But Ms. Jakovich, 30, quickly found that she slept better when she> > didn't have to get up in the night to nurse Chloe. To make things more> > comfortable, the Jakoviches took one side off Chloe's deluxe crib and> > pushed it up against their mattress, which they upgraded to a king-size.> >> > The old Dr. Ferber would not have approved. In his b

Re: [ozmidwifery] Co sleeping

[jesse/jayne]

I think this is a bigger deal in the US than here in Australia.I never
got anything like the reactions these women are describing when I had my
first child 14 years ago.  In fact, a couple of the midwives where I birthed
my daughter matter of factly told me I should put her in the bed with me!  I
remember hearing about 'Ferberising' since the internet became commonplace
but 'controlled crying' had a bit of a hold here ever since I can remember.
There are always gonna be parents that have no interest in having their
child share a bed with them and expect them to sleep a minimum of 8 hours in
a row each nightI've noticed it's kind of a thing parents like to brag
about, just like early toilet training!

My European mother in law didn't blink an eye when I did it (she did it with
all 9 of her children) and Aussie women my mother's age often confided that
they did it secretly and had the fear of God put into them that they would
suffocate their babies.

It's sad that women can't listen to themselves and their babies to begin
with.

Regards

Jayne




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From: "Gloria Lemay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ; ;
; ; <@uniserve.com>
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:05 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Co sleeping


> From Laura Shanley:
>
> Did you see the article in last week's Times about co-sleeping
> (12/29/05)?  Not too bad!  I'm enclosing it below.  The last paragraph
> says it all!  Love, Laura
>
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/29/fashion/thursdaystyles/29sleep.html?pagewanted=all
>
> And Baby Makes Three in One Bed
>
> By AMY HARMON
> Published: December 29, 2005
> JENNIFER JAKOVICH has spent most of her 5-month-old daughter's life
> dodging questions from friends, family and strangers about how and where
> Chloe sleeps. But since hearing that Dr. Richard Ferber, the country's
> most famous infant sleep expert, has relaxed his admonition against
> parents sleeping with their babies, she has taken a different tack.
>
> Jennifer and John Jakovich (with Chloe) consider themselves vindicated
> by the reversal of Dr. Richard Ferber, the infant sleep expert.
> "I now mention Ferber's new view while openly admitting to co-sleeping,"
> said Ms. Jakovich, an engineer in San Diego. She has broken the news to
> friends that Chloe sleeps in the same bed with her and her husband,
> John, a computer programmer. "I feel I have now been given the green
> light, that it's O.K."
>
> The Jackoviches are part of a growing group of American parents who
> share a bed with their baby, a common practice in the rest of the world,
> which had become nearly taboo in this country. A survey by the National
> Institute of Child Health and Human Development has found that about
> one-fifth of parents with infants up to eight months old said the baby
> usually shared a bed with them, more than triple the number of a decade
> ago.
>
> The trend appears to be driven largely by the increase in breastfeeding
> working mothers, who say it allows them to connect with their babies and
> still get some sleep. But given the prevailing cultural distaste, many
> parents say they have felt compelled to hide their shared sleeping
> arrangements.
>
> It is a testament to Dr. Ferber's influence that even the halfhearted
> nod he has given the practice in interviews has inspired a kind of
> collective coming-out party among co-sleeping parents. Transcripts of
> his network news and talk show appearances last month are being
> circulated on the Internet and recited on the playground.
>
> "Even though I shouldn't have to defend myself, it is nice to have
> that," Ms. Jakovich said. Like many other parents, she never intended to
> sleep with her daughter. "My view was that granola-hippie-type people
> co-sleep," she added.
>
> But Ms. Jakovich, 30, quickly found that she slept better when she
> didn't have to get up in the night to nurse Chloe. To make things more
> comfortable, the Jakoviches took one side off Chloe's deluxe crib and
> pushed it up against their mattress, which they upgraded to a king-size.
>
> The old Dr. Ferber would not have approved. In his best-selling 1985
> book, "Solve Your Child's Sleep Problems," he advised parents to let
> babies cry for intervals of up to 45 minutes without responding, to
> train them to sleep on their own. Should the child cry so hard that he
> throws up, parents are to clean up and leave again. "If you reward him
> for throwing up by staying with him, he will only learn that this is a
> good way for him to get what he wants," Dr. Ferber wrote.
>
> Parents who take a baby into their bed instead, the book suggested,
> damage the child's development as an individual and are probably only
> trying to avoid their own intimacy problems. "If you find that you
> actually prefer to sleep with your infant," it warned, "you should
> consider your own feelings very carefully."
>
> Practiced by millions of parents and widely promoted by pediatricians,
> Ferberization and its variations tap into the Ame

[ozmidwifery] Writing competition - Lives touched by Breastfeeding

[Barbara Glare & Chris Bright]

Hi,
 
For any writers out there, just letting you know 
that the Australian Breastfeeding Association is running a writing competition - 
Lives touched by Breastfeeding.  YOu can see details at http://www.breastfeeding.asn.au/news/guidelinesconditions.pdf
There's still about a month left to get in your 
entries.  Great prizes!
 
And dn't forget the "Breastfeeding: Making a 
Difference" seminars  March 2-7 in most capitals.  (Canberra Feb 
9th!)  Follow the links from www.breastfeeding.asn.au
 
Barb
Barb GlareMum of Zac, 12, Daniel, 10, Cassie 7 
& Guan 2Counsellor, Warrnambool Vic[EMAIL PROTECTED]Ph (03) 5565 
8602Director, Australian Breastfeeding AssociationMothers Directwww.mothersdirect.com.au

[ozmidwifery] care providers in Windsor region, NSW.

[Nicole Carver]

Hi all,
Can anyone tell me the maternity care options in the Windsor region of NSW?
I have a sister in law who lives at Cattai, near Windsor who has been
getting pressure from her GP to choose 'her obstetrician'. What other
options are available in the area?
Any advice would be much appreciated.
Nicole.


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[ozmidwifery] Co sleeping

[Gloria Lemay]

From Laura Shanley:

Did you see the article in last week's Times about co-sleeping 
(12/29/05)?  Not too bad!  I'm enclosing it below.  The last paragraph 
says it all!  Love, Laura


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/29/fashion/thursdaystyles/29sleep.html?pagewanted=all

And Baby Makes Three in One Bed

By AMY HARMON
Published: December 29, 2005
JENNIFER JAKOVICH has spent most of her 5-month-old daughter's life 
dodging questions from friends, family and strangers about how and where 
Chloe sleeps. But since hearing that Dr. Richard Ferber, the country's 
most famous infant sleep expert, has relaxed his admonition against 
parents sleeping with their babies, she has taken a different tack.


Jennifer and John Jakovich (with Chloe) consider themselves vindicated 
by the reversal of Dr. Richard Ferber, the infant sleep expert.
"I now mention Ferber's new view while openly admitting to co-sleeping," 
said Ms. Jakovich, an engineer in San Diego. She has broken the news to 
friends that Chloe sleeps in the same bed with her and her husband, 
John, a computer programmer. "I feel I have now been given the green 
light, that it's O.K."


The Jackoviches are part of a growing group of American parents who 
share a bed with their baby, a common practice in the rest of the world, 
which had become nearly taboo in this country. A survey by the National 
Institute of Child Health and Human Development has found that about 
one-fifth of parents with infants up to eight months old said the baby 
usually shared a bed with them, more than triple the number of a decade 
ago.


The trend appears to be driven largely by the increase in breastfeeding 
working mothers, who say it allows them to connect with their babies and 
still get some sleep. But given the prevailing cultural distaste, many 
parents say they have felt compelled to hide their shared sleeping 
arrangements.


It is a testament to Dr. Ferber's influence that even the halfhearted 
nod he has given the practice in interviews has inspired a kind of 
collective coming-out party among co-sleeping parents. Transcripts of 
his network news and talk show appearances last month are being 
circulated on the Internet and recited on the playground.


"Even though I shouldn't have to defend myself, it is nice to have 
that," Ms. Jakovich said. Like many other parents, she never intended to 
sleep with her daughter. "My view was that granola-hippie-type people 
co-sleep," she added.


But Ms. Jakovich, 30, quickly found that she slept better when she 
didn't have to get up in the night to nurse Chloe. To make things more 
comfortable, the Jakoviches took one side off Chloe's deluxe crib and 
pushed it up against their mattress, which they upgraded to a king-size.


The old Dr. Ferber would not have approved. In his best-selling 1985 
book, "Solve Your Child's Sleep Problems," he advised parents to let 
babies cry for intervals of up to 45 minutes without responding, to 
train them to sleep on their own. Should the child cry so hard that he 
throws up, parents are to clean up and leave again. "If you reward him 
for throwing up by staying with him, he will only learn that this is a 
good way for him to get what he wants," Dr. Ferber wrote.


Parents who take a baby into their bed instead, the book suggested, 
damage the child's development as an individual and are probably only 
trying to avoid their own intimacy problems. "If you find that you 
actually prefer to sleep with your infant," it warned, "you should 
consider your own feelings very carefully."


Practiced by millions of parents and widely promoted by pediatricians, 
Ferberization and its variations tap into the American desire to imbue 
children with independence from an early age. Setting babies apart in 
their own cribs also eases a typically American tendency to see sleeping 
arrangements as sexual rather than social, some anthropologists say.


Concerns about safety, albeit contested, added to the consensus against 
bed sharing, so that a baby's completing a sleep-training regimen has 
come to be seen as a developmental milestone comparable to crawling or 
cutting a first tooth.


Now, in a flurry of publicity for a revised version of Dr. Ferber's 
book, he has allowed that his technique is not suitable for all babies 
and that children can develop healthy sleep habits sleeping in their 
parents' bed.


A spokeswoman for Dr. Ferber's publisher, Marcia Burch, the vice 
president for publicity at Touchstone Fireside, a division of Simon & 
Schuster, said he had been taken aback by the interest in his position 
on bed sharing and that Dr. Ferber, the director of the Center for 
Pediatric Sleep Disorders at Children's Hospital in Boston, would not 
comment further until the new edition is published in March.


"He totally underestimated the reaction," Ms. Burch said. "He totally 
misunderstood that this was going to be really big news."


Still, Dr. Ferber's shift has sparked celebration among some parents, 
who