Fw: [ozmidwifery] fear
As there seems to be some problem with some emails not getting through I am re-sending this one Sue - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] fear Ceri I have often cared for women who have resisted, or not felt any urge to push - some that have actively refused, and ended up with forceps lift outs. It was interesting to see the result for the woman I spoke of, and I can think of many other times when talking a situation through with a labouring woman has resolvedsome issue that is hindering them. Loved Lieve's story too. And I love hearing other midwives experiences as we enrich each other in this way. sue "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Ceri Katrina To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] fear On 05/02/2006, at 12:36 AM, Susan Cudlipp wrote: "What is your biggest fear right now?" She didn't answer for a couple of contractions then suddenly burst out " My biggest fear is that I won't be able to birth the baby" What do you know - lip went and baby started to appear!This fascinates me too. Is is just a matter of verbalising that fear??? I know it sounds dumb, but most women when questioned say that they fear the pain.no denying that it is going to hurt, so is it a matter of just verbalising it??On a similar matter the last couple of weks, I have had 2 women simply stump me. One with an epidural, one without. Both reached 9 then 10 cms dilation, and decided they did not want to push. They were adament they did not want to push, that they wanted "the baby pulled out"!!! Despite reasurrance that they could do it, and that unless they were unwell or the baby distressed, they baby would NOT be pulled out and they certainly would not be taken for a LSCS, they continued to say "No I dont want to push", "I'm not going to push" "it is going to hurt too much!"They eventually had the baby when the next shift took over, but I was wondering if anyone else had encountered this before?? No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/251 - Release Date: 4/02/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] fear
Hi everyone thanks for the replies from everybody. One of the reasons I love this list is the sharing of information like this on people's experiences and practicce with our day to day work. :-) Katrina On 10/02/2006, at 1:30 AM, Susan Cudlipp wrote: x-tad-smallerAs there seems to be some problem with some emails not getting through I am re-sending this one/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerSue/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller- Original Message -/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerSusan Cudlipp/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Monday, February 06, 2006 10:54 PM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Re: [ozmidwifery] fear/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerCeri/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerI have often cared for women who have resisted, or not felt any urge to push - some that have actively refused, and ended up with forceps lift outs. It was interesting to see the result for the woman I spoke of, and I can think of many other times when talking a situation through with a labouring woman has resolved some issue that is hindering them./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerLoved Lieve's story too. And I love hearing other midwives experiences as we enrich each other in this way./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallersue/x-tad-smallerThe only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing Edmund Burke x-tad-smaller- Original Message -/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerFrom:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerCeri Katrina/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerTo:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSent:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Monday, February 06, 2006 1:44 PM/x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerSubject:/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Re: [ozmidwifery] fear/x-tad-smaller On 05/02/2006, at 12:36 AM, Susan Cudlipp wrote: What is your biggest fear right now? She didn't answer for a couple of contractions then suddenly burst out My biggest fear is that I won't be able to birth the baby What do you know - lip went and baby started to appear! This fascinates me too. Is is just a matter of verbalising that fear??? I know it sounds dumb, but most women when questioned say that they fear the pain.no denying that it is going to hurt, so is it a matter of just verbalising it?? On a similar matter the last couple of weks, I have had 2 women simply stump me. One with an epidural, one without. Both reached 9 then 10 cms dilation, and decided they did not want to push. They were adament they did not want to push, that they wanted the baby pulled out!!! Despite reasurrance that they could do it, and that unless they were unwell or the baby distressed, they baby would NOT be pulled out and they certainly would not be taken for a LSCS, they continued to say No I dont want to push, I'm not going to push it is going to hurt too much! They eventually had the baby when the next shift took over, but I was wondering if anyone else had encountered this before?? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/251 - Release Date: 4/02/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] Post cs support
Barb , I am in awe that you have been able to do so much great work after this trauma and the effects that it must have had on you, Hugs Pinky - Original Message - From: B G [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 11:45 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Post cs support There is no 'cure' for PTSD!! You just learn to manage the triggers but even then the physiological responses sometimes get away from you. Some people wonder why you are so serious- so would you if you had this constant mind battle to control triggers. Barb- chronic PTSD sufferer, 8 years after an assault and prolonged torture by an unsupervised prisoner in an Intensive Care Unit. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Bourne Sent: Saturday, 4 February 2006 11:34 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Post cs support Talking therapies may be the only cure, that certainly sounds right to me. However I can't imagine having been raped, assaulted OR traumatised by my birth experience and then wanting to do that talking in the place or with the people where it happened. Perhaps in the last stages of healing, as a final letting go/closure thing, but certainly not in the very first days of the shock. I did not have a remotely traumatic birth experience but have had other traumas in my life and have had a lot of talking to do about them, I can't think of one occasion I wanted to go back to the person/place that was the source of the trauma. At 11:19 AM +1100 4/2/06, Janet Fraser wrote: I remember it but I disagree with it entirely. It struck me as no more logical and useful than the obstetric refusal to offer OFP because a study showing a crude, almost silly form of it didn't have the desired effect. (10mins a day on hands and knees rather than the lifestyle operation that is true OFP) Talking therapies are pretty much the only cure for PTSD and that's been well demonstrated over and over. The one study showing otherwise holds no weight. J - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mary Murphy To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 10:58 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Post cs support I believe there is some research out there that looked at de-briefing women after birth, particularly traumatic births. As I remember it, the research did not show that this debriefing had particularly helpful outcomes. Of course it is all in the Who, the When and the How. Does anyone remember it? Mary Murphy Andrea wrote: Any suggestions. Should all women have a follow up appointment with the midwife who was at her birth, is this appropriate as they may have been part of the problem, should all women have a follow up appointment but the woman be allowed to choose who she wants the appointment with, at what stage would this be appropriate, 2 weeks, 8 weeks 3 months? How does this fit with the MCH nurses who are now involved in the woman's on going care? How does her doctor, be it her own GP, obst or the one who attended (or not) her birth be involved in this? -- Jo Bourne Virtual Artists Pty Ltd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] seeking doula
Dear List Seeking contact with any doula currently available to work with woman in Bellingen/Coffs Harbour/Dorrigo area Thanks Alesa Alesa KoziolClinical Midwifery EducatorMelbourne
Re: [ozmidwifery] Problems with emails
Thanks for digging my emails out of the spam filters most times, Andrea. Love Gloria Andrea Robertson wrote: Hi Everyone, I think one problem with emails not appearing on the list is that they can get caught up in spam or junk filters by mistake. This can happen especially when the list is copied in with other addresses. For example, I usually find Gloria Lemay's ozmid postings in my spam filter because our list was one of several to whom she sent her message. You can change your level of spam filtering with your ISP and also your individual email program. It should also be possible to set your program to allow messages through from certain sources, or with certain key words in the address line (e.g. ozmidwifery list) . This might help some of you. The list can't handle attachments of any kind (this is to avoid spreading viruses which are often buried in attachments) and if your email program automatically adds attachments ( I notice that some do this) then that may be a problem. Some employers have barred access to lists through their servers too. Apart from these possibilities, we have to remember that email isn't infallible - we've come to reply on it so much that we can forget that it is still reliant on a phone line, consistent power supply without surges etc and an ISP - all potential sources of occasional failures. We do pretty well on the whole - if your message doesn't get through, please try again. We do our best to monitor what's going on, and know that there have been periods when our web host has had problems which has affected the list too. Regards, Andrea Andrea Robertson Director Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
