RE: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf
Yes, I searched the net for some info and found out that placenta produces estrogen. After birth, high levels of estrogen inhibit milk production. Your question is quite interesting. Really, would such an operation be advisable on post menopausal women? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Bourne Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 9:47 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf Actually my understanding is that estrogen levels would be FAR higher at birth (and presumably soon after) than once breastfeeding is established. Certainly my own estrogen level was post menopausal during breastfeeding. That said surely post menopausal women have surgery too? At 2:57 PM +0100 21/2/06, Vedrana Valãiç wrote: How come episiotomies heal then? Are oestrogen levels then higher than later on? Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Watson Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:43 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf I'd definitely go to a plastic surgeon... an ob does baby and mum stuff... this seems to me like something more cosmetic ( not saying it like she's only getting it done for looks!!) Jo On 21/02/2006, at 7:21 PM, Janet Fraser wrote: She's been told by several Obs that the lower oestrogen in her system mean her vagina won't heal. It sounds like a crock to me. I've seen bf blamed for most things wrong with babies and mothers but this was a new one to me. :( - Original Message - From: Maxine Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:15 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] repair surgery and bf Maybe I am being daft but what effect do lactational hormones have on surgery? I would also suggest another opinion or 2 - perhaps to a plastic surgeon also. Maxine -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- Jo Bourne Virtual Artists Pty Ltd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information
I think there was some research that c-section does not prevent incontinence, as previously thought. Would that be of any help, Kylie? Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Chapman Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:25 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information Skipping isn't bad either if you don't have a trampoline on tap. cheers Judy --- Megan Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ideally we all can benefit from pelvis floor excercises, including men. My dad had his prostate removed recently for cancer and I told him to start and excercise his pelvic floor pre-surgery to help with his recovery. He told his specialist what I said and he thought it was an excellent idea. Interestingly my Dad noticed improvement with his weeing just from this and did have a good recovery. Anyway, just my two bits, Megan PS trampolines are an excellent way to find out how strong your pelvic floor is, or isn't as you may find out. Hehehehe _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kylie Carberry Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2006 4:03 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information Hi All, I was wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction with some research I am doing for a story on the importance of pelvic floor exercises. A lot of women are led to believe - I guess, by scalpel-happy OB's - that a weakened pelvic floor can be avoided a by having a c-section. I recall, some time last year, reading an article disproving this theory, but, of course cannot remember where I read it. If there is anyone who can help me out here, I would greatly appreciate if you could let me know. Any other thoughts on the topic would be welcomed also. Best wishes Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health: Dedicated to providing current health news and information http://au.health.yahoo.com/ -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information
Ahh, yes! I remember you were the one who told me about this research regarding the nuns! It would be perfect to use that. I know I can only touch on this - the main focus is on the best way to get a strong pelvic floor - but I have to include some stuff about it. Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: OzMid List ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor informationDate: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:17:23 +1100 Someone here will probably know KylieBut the best research of disproving that type of birth (except forceps damage) impacts on continenceWas done using Nuns (yes Nuns). It revealed that the nuns experienced the same rates of incontinence despite having no children!!!There is a book called Water Works by someone Chiarella (who is a bit of a continence expert) it may have the nuns and other appropriate references in it. The UK NICE (Nat Institute of Clinical Excellence) Guidleines on C/S have a bit on C?S not protecting pelvic floor etc. See www.nice.orgAnyone have the Nuns reference??JCXx -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information
I found the research easy, Justine, just by adding 'nuns' to the google search along with 'pelvic floor' :) Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: OzMid List ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor informationDate: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:17:23 +1100 Someone here will probably know KylieBut the best research of disproving that type of birth (except forceps damage) impacts on continenceWas done using Nuns (yes Nuns). It revealed that the nuns experienced the same rates of incontinence despite having no children!!!There is a book called Water Works by someone Chiarella (who is a bit of a continence expert) it may have the nuns and other appropriate references in it. The UK NICE (Nat Institute of Clinical Excellence) Guidleines on C/S have a bit on C?S not protecting pelvic floor etc. See www.nice.orgAnyone have the Nuns reference??JCXx -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Independent Midwife for Hospital Support
Miriam, Has she actually asked the midwives in the midwives led program if they'd do a private birth support ? Often midwives don't offer but are willing to support a woman if asked. With kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Independent Midwife for Hospital Support Mim there is a woman called Julie McCauley i think is her name but I dont know where she is now...get your friend to try to find where she is she was Gippsland based, she did homebirth a few years back, was my midwife with my first baby Belinda Miriam Hannay wrote: Hello Listers, I am putting out feelers for a friend who is 37+ weeks with her first babe. Her little one is frank breech, had unsuccessful ECV this week. She is birthing at West Gippsland Hospital and has been attending the midwife led programme there. Now she has graduated to a 'high risk' pregnancy, she has been referred to an OB who is happy for her to birth naturally. He even gave her a copy of 'Breech Birth Woman Wise' to take home to read!! Although she obviously has a supportive OB, she is really keen for additional support and thought there might be a midwife in the area who would be willing to take her on. She is not looking for a home birth but someone who will give her women-centred support and information regarding her birth. Any takers? Thanks in advance, Miriam (3rd year Bmid FUSA) Do you Yahoo!? Find a local business fast with Yahoo! Local Search http://au.local.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Online meeting places for Australian Doulas / Birth Attendants
Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My forums aren't about making money; they are about education and empowerment :-) So anyone wanting to make a difference is more than welcome. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au/ BellyBelly.com.au Hi Kelly, Do you mind me enquiring as to whether Bellybelly has changed its stance on non-Code-compliant advertising? Lara -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Online meeting places for Australian Doulas / Birth Attendants
Sorry Lara, not sure what you mean? Drop me an email off-list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Director, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby Australian Little Tikes Specialists -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lara Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2006 10:49 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Online meeting places for Australian Doulas / Birth Attendants Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My forums aren't about making money; they are about education and empowerment :-) So anyone wanting to make a difference is more than welcome. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au/ BellyBelly.com.au Hi Kelly, Do you mind me enquiring as to whether Bellybelly has changed its stance on non-Code-compliant advertising? Lara -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] placental gardening
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] placental gardening I don't know much about this and also tend to kill plants!! But one of my colleagues takes home unwanted placentae for her roses - I will ask her what she does to them, apparently her garden is lovely Sue "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Justine Caines To: OzMid List Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] placental gardening Dear AllI can vouch for the following plantsCamellia in a pot (very happy) 1st babe 6.5 years agoGrevillea (grew like bloody wildfire) nearly 5 years oldDavid Austin old world Rose Only a bit sad due to drought and a forgotten area of the yard - um ma! (3 years old)Now what to plant for the twins? Yes HUGE placenta. I have a huge garden but virtually no space. I am thinking of something with a double flower (yes I like matching and all that cutesy meaning stuff!!), suggestions??I planted the plant and placenta at the same time but the Camellia was originally in the ground. I gave the placenta a fair bit of space below the root ball of the plant.I am a keen gardener (yet dont know too much) and I would think as a rule anything that likes blood and bone should do fine. A native (like a Grevillea) should be an exception. I think Marys advice re staged planting is very sound.Perhaps ask what plants like rich soil and blood and bone type additions.Justine6 HB babes all with/to have planted placentas (and I said placenta planting was hippy when first introduced to HB rituals, Ah how we eat our words!) No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/266 - Release Date: 21/02/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] GP attending hb in Sydney?
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] GP attending hb in Sydney? Oh Dear Emily be sure to keep the faith!!! JC xx
[ozmidwifery] RE: independent midwife for hospital support
Hello all, thanks for all your suggestions, I have passed them on to my friend, who is feeling very positive about the birth now after a few weeks of uncertainty and worry. Special thanks to Andrea, I believe she will be calling you over the next couple of days. Will let you all know how it goes. Thanks again, Miriam Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Movies: Check out the Latest Trailers, Premiere Photos and full Actor Database. http://au.movies.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information
Title: Message There was research done in SA Adelaide a few years back also into this: Macalister I think his name was? -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kylie CarberrySent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:04 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information Ahh, yes! I remember you were the one who told me about this research regarding the nuns! It would be perfect to use that. I know I can only touch on this - the main focus is on the best way to get a strong pelvic floor - but I have to include some stuff about it. Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: OzMid List ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor informationDate: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:17:23 +1100 Someone here will probably know KylieBut the best research of disproving that type of birth (except forceps damage) impacts on continenceWas done using Nuns (yes Nuns). It revealed that the nuns experienced the same rates of incontinence despite having no children!!!There is a book called “Water Works” by someone Chiarella (who is a bit of a continence expert) it may have the nuns and other appropriate references in it. The UK NICE (Nat Institute of Clinical Excellence) Guidleines on C/S have a bit on C?S not protecting pelvic floor etc. See www.nice.orgAnyone have the Nuns reference??JCXx -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/265 - Release Date: 2/20/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/265 - Release Date: 2/20/2006
[ozmidwifery] Re: University research.....
Hi,I am a regiseterd nurse and a student midwife.I am currently researching if there are any support services for midwives.Because this is quite an emotionally draining area to work in, and currently there seems very little support is available for midwives.I have spoken with the NSW Nurses Midwives Board, NSWNA, NSW Midwives Association, ACMI, ANF, College of Nursing - all of these had very little to no support services for midwives. I have also emailed the Maternity Coalition, no reply as yet.The support services could be e-based, phone, or in person.I thoughtsomeone might be able to help.Thankyou.Donna Houghton. Message sent using Dodo Internet Webmail Server -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: University research.....
I've long thought this should happen and I think some MWs have informal groups where they debrief. My forums have a private CP section where great stuff happens and I'm sure there are other places like that too. Is there are reason MWs haven't set this up for themselves? Needs to be encouraged!!! J - Original Message - From: Dleh71 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:21 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: University research. Hi,I am a regiseterd nurse and a student midwife.I am currently researching if there are any support services for midwives.Because this is quite an emotionally draining area to work in, and currently there seems very little support is available for midwives.I have spoken with the NSW Nurses Midwives Board, NSWNA, NSW Midwives Association, ACMI, ANF, College of Nursing - all of these had very little to no support services for midwives. I have also emailed the Maternity Coalition, no reply as yet.The support services could be e-based, phone, or in person.I thoughtsomeone might be able to help.Thankyou.Donna Houghton.Message sent using Dodo Internet Webmail Server -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information
Title: Message Kylie, it would be great if you can share your article re: pelvic floor with us when you have published it. It sounds as though you are researching the topic very extensively. Good Luck with your work. Cheers Linda - Original Message - From: Dean Jo To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:24 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information There was research done in SA Adelaide a few years back also into this: Macalister I think his name was? -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kylie CarberrySent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:04 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information Ahh, yes! I remember you were the one who told me about this research regarding the nuns! It would be perfect to use that. I know I can only touch on this - the main focus is on the best way to get a strong pelvic floor - but I have to include some stuff about it. Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: OzMid List ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor informationDate: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:17:23 +1100 Someone here will probably know KylieBut the best research of disproving that type of birth (except forceps damage) impacts on continenceWas done using Nuns (yes Nuns). It revealed that the nuns experienced the same rates of incontinence despite having no children!!!There is a book called “Water Works” by someone Chiarella (who is a bit of a continence expert) it may have the nuns and other appropriate references in it. The UK NICE (Nat Institute of Clinical Excellence) Guidleines on C/S have a bit on C?S not protecting pelvic floor etc. See www.nice.orgAnyone have the Nuns reference??JCXx -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/265 - Release Date: 2/20/2006 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/265 - Release Date: 2/20/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: University research.....
Ihave found, by large, that (perhapsbecause)we are a nurturing caring profession we tend to look after one another. We probably do most of our debriefing with our partners, friends colleagues, as Janet says in 'an informal manner'. Our network offers formal debriefing counselling should it be required, through a professional counselling service. I've never felt the need to go elsewhere myself to deal with work related issues,but I am speaking generally don't profess to express the views of mypeers. With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: University research. I've long thought this should happen and I think some MWs have informal groups where they debrief. My forums have a private CP section where great stuff happens and I'm sure there are other places like that too. Is there are reason MWs haven't set this up for themselves? Needs to be encouraged!!! J - Original Message - From: Dleh71 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:21 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: University research. Hi,I am a regiseterd nurse and a student midwife.I am currently researching if there are any support services for midwives.Because this is quite an emotionally draining area to work in, and currently there seems very little support is available for midwives.I have spoken with the NSW Nurses Midwives Board, NSWNA, NSW Midwives Association, ACMI, ANF, College of Nursing - all of these had very little to no support services for midwives. I have also emailed the Maternity Coalition, no reply as yet.The support services could be e-based, phone, or in person.I thoughtsomeone might be able to help.Thankyou.Donna Houghton.Message sent using Dodo Internet Webmail Server -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
