Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Stats around the world..?

2007-02-08 Thread Janet Fraser
We're pretty crap, not surprisingly. The latest OECD figures for c-secs I've 
seen were 2005, anyone seen 2006? We had a higher rate of c-secs in 2005 than 
the US. Try a search for OECD figures, they're pretty eye opening.
J
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kristin Beckedahl 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 10:42 AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birth Stats around the world..?


  Hi All,

  I was wondering how Australia compares to rest of world re interventions into 
birth.  I know its pretty *up there* on the grand scale but can anyone give me 
some other countries - either on the lower end or higher end above us.

  My guess is USA very high??Netherlands/Austria/New Zealand?? down 
the low end.

  This is just to use is I'm asked in my CBE class!

  Many thanks,

  Kristin




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[ozmidwifery] Canadian Coalition for Breech Birth

2007-02-05 Thread Janet Fraser
http://web.mac.com/breechbirth/iWeb/Site/Welcome.html
Good stuff!!
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Australian home birth network and forums.
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Elective c-section article

2007-02-04 Thread Janet Fraser
What irresponsible bullshit is this. Someone is telling a lot of lies to
women and articles like this are normalising them and spreading them
further. Choice schmoice. Is it just My Choice to drink till paralytic when
pregnant? To refuse to use a car seat? To lie down in the middle of the road
and hope cars don't hit me when I'm pregnant? To have no brakes on my car?
The reality is that this woman had unnecessary surgery which had three times
the likelihood of killing her or the baby, a massive risk of losing her
uterus, PND, being unable to establish a breastfeeding relationship, PTSD,
and the myriad of other wellknown risks from all the drugs and crap put into
her and her baby. She may have the dubious right to demand unnecessary
surgery in obstetrics but does she have the right to also inflict this on
her child? So if we want to call it choice, would that be her child's
choice?

We need to get back our outrage at the innately pathological act that is
cutting into perfectly healthy bodies for no reason. Endangering our lives
and that of our babies isn't just a choice or a right it's a supremely
selfdestructive act within a powerfully misogynist context that has left us
with the utterly appalling hospital system we have. Let's all have colostomy
bags fitted so we don't have to be so uncivilised as to defecate. Perhaps we
could be fed via tubes to avoid eating and swallowing?
This stuff is the very acme of disgusting.
J


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From: suzi and brett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Elective c-section article


 Who wants to be civilised ? This is our chance to be gorgeously
uncivilised,
 raunchy and wild !

 But i do respect her right to choose what she feels is best for her.  Suzi


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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
 Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 7:38 PM
 Subject: [ozmidwifery] Elective c-section article


  http://www.mydr.com.au/default.asp?article=3614
 
  I just read this article on why a woman chose an elective c-section.
She
  refers to it as being the civilised way to give birth.  How awful and I
  can't believe it was published.
 
  Sam.
 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwife...

2007-01-28 Thread Janet Fraser
It's about $2500 in Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth and up to $3000-4000 in
Melbourne and Sydney. Individual variations within that are common so you
need to ask each MW as you're considering her. Some health funds also cover
part, at least, of midwifery care.
HTH,
J
- Original Message - 
From: Amanda W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:40 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Midwife...



 I am in Brisbane I am just asking this question for someone I know is
 looking for one in Ararat. I wouldn't have a clue what midwives charge in
 Brisbane.sorryI work at a very large tertiary hospitalif only
I
 could be an IM


 Amanda Ward
 Creative Memories Consultant
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 Mob, 0417 009 648
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 From: catherine whelan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
 Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Midwife...
 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:14:40 +1100
 
 
 Hello Amanda, can you please tell me what midwives  charge in your area
for
 helping a woman who wants her baby at home?
 regards
 cw
 
 From: Amanda W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
 Subject: [ozmidwifery] Midwife Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:49:13 +1000
 
 Looking for a midwife in Araratsee post below Can anyone help?
 
 Hi!
 
 I am seeking a home birth midwife or doula in Ararat (in between Horsham
 and Ballarat) or nearby to help me with our greatly anticipated 4th
child.
 
 I have very quick labours. I have never used any form of pain med or
 intervention, however, after the first birth the obgyn's all pushed the
 option of inducing due to their concerns that I might not make it (when
I
 lived in Melb the hospital was 30+ minutes away), and to be honest the
 births were not as delightful as the first due to all the intervention.
I
 am now located a 5 minute walk from the hospital in case of emergency. I
 had my other children happily with me at the births previously.
 
 I would dearly love a homebirth so that I can enjoy the natural
experience
 without 5 different medical staff members staring at my genital region
 every 2 minutes and grumbling that the kids were there though happy and
 fascinated with the process. I left the hospital after 14 hours for my
 second child and about 17 for my third, only staying that long under
 duress.
 
 If anyone is able to help me, please contact me via PM or reply to this
 message. I am due in October, so am getting in nice and early.
 
 Take care
 
 Gen
 
 
 
 Amanda Ward
 Creative Memories Consultant
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[ozmidwifery] hb MW Gisborne, Vic

2007-01-25 Thread Janet Fraser
Hi all,
anyone able or willing to support a woman birth at home in Gisborne?
: )
J
For home birth information go to:
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Australian home birth network and forums.
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Mum Gives Birth In Toilet - Monash Medical Centre

2007-01-23 Thread Janet Fraser
It reminds me of the article a couple of years ago criticising the lower rate 
of epidurals in Tassie. Some of us think that's good ; ) I hope this woman gets 
some debriefing and FWIW I always tell hospy birthing mamas to birth in the loo 
although perhaps not directly into the toilet itself... I wonder why she 
couldn't just catch the baby? Whatever. More media crap about the dangers of 
birth. Of course if she'd been at home.. The ambulance is probably a good 
indication that this birth was being viewed as a medical emergency : )
J
  - Original Message - 
  From: Stephen  Felicity 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 5:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mum Gives Birth In Toilet - Monash Medical Centre


  Yep.  A fast, intense birth can be traumatic; but it's also a healthy, normal 
event regardless.  It all sounds a bit ridiculous and comical.  Personally I'd 
be thankful for the privacy and lack of intervention that birthing in a toilet 
provides! The comment about not even being offered a panadol suggests the 
Mama wanted a managed (medicated) birth and perhaps she's distressed that she 
didn't get that; maybe in time it will become something she is thankful for, 
instead.  A healthy undrugged baby born effectively from a healthy undrugged 
woman (even if into a toilet) is a wonderful thing! :)

- Original Message - 
From: Susan Cudlipp 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mum Gives Birth In Toilet - Monash Medical Centre


Oh Puleeeze!!!

Talk about over dramatising.  
Many many bubs enter the world in toilets as we all know - while I feel 
sympathy that this woman was unprepared for a very fast birth, I feel for the 
midwives who are being blamed for this very normal turn of events.
Sue
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelly Zantey 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:33 AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Mum Gives Birth In Toilet - Monash Medical Centre


  Mum gives birth in toilet
  Jane Metlikovec
  January 24, 2007 12:00am

  A MOTHER says her baby daughter was born in a hospital toilet bowl and 
had to be rescued after staff ignored her screams for help.

  Kay, 24, was in the final stages of labour when she was rushed by 
ambulance to Monash Medical Centre on Tuesday last week. 

  In a statement to the Herald Sun yesterday, the hospital said it 
regretted the birth did not go according to plan. 
  At the hospital, the Mt Waverley mother of two was told to wait in a 
standard share room instead of being directed to a birthing suite, despite 
having contractions fewer than two minutes apart. 

  A midwife saw me when I came in and pressed on my stomach once. Nobody 
checked if I was dilated. I didn't even get offered a Panadol, Kay said. 
  An hour after arriving, distressed and screaming in agony, she went to 
the toilet, where she gave birth to a girl. 

  Her husband Michael, who had become frantic, had hit an emergency buzzer 
in panic to try to get help, but he said none came in time so he kicked down 
the locked door and ran in, pulling the infant from the toilet bowl. 
  Kay said she was terrified her daughter could have died, and described 
the ordeal as horrific. 

  I thought she could have been seriously hurt, or worse. If it wasn't for 
Michael coming to my aid, I don't know what the result would have been, Kay 
said. 
  It was the most traumatic thing we have had to go through. I would have 
thought it would have been one of the happiest times of our lives, but it was 
terrible. 

  Kay said Michael pressed the emergency buzzer three times, but no one 
responded until after a nearby caterer alerted medical staff. 
  When someone finally came, Michael asked why it took so long and they 
told him the buzzer didn't work, Kay said. 
  I was completely shocked. It is an emergency buzzer. This was an 
emergency. 

  But the director of nursing at Monash Medical Centre, Kym Forrest, said 
in a statement to the Herald Sun: The buzzers were checked and both were 
working. The obstetrician and midwives were in fact alerted to the baby's 
arrival by the buzzer being sounded from Kay's room. 
  Ms Forrest also denied the door had been kicked in. It is a dual lock 
which can be opened from both sides and this was the way access was achieved, 
she said. 

  But Kay said the toilet cubicle, complete with broken door, looked like 
a murder scene. 
  There was blood everywhere. I was screaming. It was just horrible, she 
said. 
  The couple are seeking a formal apology, but Ms Forrest said they had not 
lodged a formal complaint with the hospital. 
  We regret that Kay did not have the birth experience our midwives strive 
to provide to all the mums in their care, Ms Forrest said. 
  We 

[ozmidwifery] hb mw byron bay?

2007-01-22 Thread Janet Fraser
Hi all,
I have a couple of enquiries atm for Byron. Who's local?
: )
TIA,
J
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Australian home birth network and forums.
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Re: [ozmidwifery] short doula/labour support courses...

2007-01-19 Thread Janet Fraser
Birthlove is gone gone gone. Utterly tragic. A lot of the same info is on
Joyous Birth though and we're always eager for more.
: )
- Original Message - 
From: lisa chalmers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] short doula/labour support courses...


 I havnt been able to access birthlove for months. I miss it so much!

 I give all the the Doulas that attend my training , The Birth Partner by
 Penny Simkin, you can get some great deals for it on Amazon.

 - Original Message - 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
 Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 8:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] short doula/labour support courses...


  Hi Tania,
 
  If she joins up with www.birthlove.com, it costs $29.95 I think, they
  offer a free online doula course. It is pretty good. They have a topic a
  month and you can also access the archives.
 
  Otherwise, tell her to jump on www.joyousbirth.info as she will find an
  abundance of great info there.
 
  Love Abby
 
 
 
  Tania Smallwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
  I have a friend who is not a midwife, and she has been asked to be the
  labour support person at a close friend's birth.  She has birthed three
  times herself, twice at home, and is a lovely gentle, practical woman,
  who
  I'm sure will be perfect for the job.  She feels that she'd like to
have
  some kind of 'formal' training, even if it's just a workshop, and I'm
  wondering if there is anything like that available here in Australia.
  She'd
  be fine with something online or via correspondence, but doesn't really
  need
  to do the full doula course.  I've suggested she attends some of the
  fine
  active birth workshops here in Adelaide that are run by the local yoga
  centres, and that appealed too.  Any other ideas?
 
 
 
  Thanks
 
 
 
  Tania
 
 
 
 
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Re: Farewell ~ wasRe: [ozmidwifery] where has this list gone?

2007-01-19 Thread Janet Fraser
Your POV is always welcomed by me, and we don't actually agree on everything
contrary to popular belief. Those nasty emails are hard to understand but
you're not alone in receiving them. How honoured I am to keep your input at
JB.
Ozmid's loss. Very sad.
J

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Re: [ozmidwifery] job

2007-01-10 Thread Janet Fraser
Townsville is in desperate need of IMs. I believe there's one newly on the 
scene there atm?

Out of interest, has anyone been sued since the insurance rubbish began?
J
  - Original Message - 
  From: Anke Dalman 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 4:26 PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] job


   

   

Thank you Wendy, 

Homebirths would be ideal, but not at this present time due to litigation 
worries. Going into hospital is no deal either. As a hospital midwife there was 
no autonomy and there are no visiting rights and no insurance. I am in 
Townsville at the moment.

Thanks Anke


Re: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations?

2007-01-08 Thread Janet Fraser
Personally, I see it in a far wider context where birth, pregnancy and 
breastfeeding are just all aspects of women's lives and are thus constrained by 
a lack of genuine choice and yet many potential pacifiers and hoops to jump 
through. I can't approach birth on it's own because it's merely a reflection of 
all else in our lives. So many women still have little economic or personal 
power within families, we are survivors of all manner of violence in all manner 
of situations, we are trained to oppress ourselves and hate our female bodies. 
It's a wonder to me that some women see through this for whatever reason and 
pursue truly nurturing choices for themselves and their babies instead of doing 
what gets the biggest pat on the head. I cannot see birth without seeing the 
rest of our lives. Sometimes in Joyous Birth we joke that the last thing we're 
about is birth. Not that we don't provide immense amounts of information, we 
just don't isolate it but put it in that wider context. Once we make empowered 
decisions in the rest of our lives, we naturally make them in birth and 
breastfeeding. Once we are supported we have enough to maintain us through the 
intensity of early parenting without falling prey to sleep trainers and 
formula manufacturers. So while the forces against us are are multi-pronged and 
powerful, some of the solution can be simple. And I stop myself going mad, as I 
answer yet another question about how VBAC is safer, induction sux, breasts 
make enough milk with enough stimulation by debriefing and retaining a sense of 
humour. Feminists are funny - or we'd be mad with grief all the time. Each time 
one woman makes a decision that saves her life and her mental health, there is 
a ripple effect. Hopefully those will grow.
: )

- Original Message - 
From: Barbara Glare  Chris Bright [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations?


 Hi,
 
 I have become fairly philosophical about it (I guess I have to for self 
 preservation!)  I think that if a woman has grown up, been socialised in 
 this culture and is now an adult, I have to be accepting of the decision she 
 makes.  If nothing in her 30 years (or whatever) has taught her to take 
 responsibility for her own decisions, has taught her to trust her own body, 
 or has led her to believe that breastfeeding is something worth doing, 
 nothing I say will probably change her mind, but still, I will speak up for 
 natural birth and breastfeeding.
 
 And sometimes something I may say or do might have resonance with a woman 
 and contribute a little to her decision making.
 
 Barb
 - Original Message - 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
 Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 3:57 PM
 Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations?
 
 
 
  To me the way women (society) veiws pregnancy reflects the current trend 
  to
  rush for medical assistance in any situation. Common colds, neck pain,
  constipation, insomnia, depression, obesity, you name it. Instead of 
  looking
  within at underlying emotional issues, considering diet, toxins such as
  refined foodstuffs, stress, chemicals.whatever, you get my drift, the
  list is long. Any way instead of resolving the underlying causes or 
  problems
  there is an increasing tendance to run for a fix-up, a suppression of
  symptoms.
 
  I see too often pregnancy considered by women as a medical problem to be
  managed. What do some do the minute they think they are pregnantmake 
  an
  appointment with a doctor for confirmation...and so it begins. Do the
  doctors tell them that evidence concludes midwives to be the specialists 
  in
  nornmal maternity care? Yeah right! In society the common assumption is 
  the
  highest scientifically qualifed person must be the best one for the job.
 
  Interesting what you say about having already paid up front and not 
  wanting
  to loose out financially having already paid an Obs...THAT IS OUTRAGEOUS! 
  I
  am personally in favour of women changing streams of care whatever their
  gestation.
  Just my ramblings
  Wendy
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Julie Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
  Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 1:11 PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations?
 
 
  Hi Rachael,
  I sometimes share your frustrations in wondering why on earth women 
  choose
  OB's to care for them - particularly when they whinge about them so much!
  However what women are after is continuity of care because they want some
  feeling of certainty over who is going to be with them when they birth in
  short it gives them a feeling of security and the other main reason is 
  the
  perceived quality of the care because an OB is regarded in Australia as
  the highest qualified of anyone to deal with pregnancy and 

Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac didn't happen

2006-12-29 Thread Janet Fraser
I'm sorry to hear that, Cath. Next baby she is in a really big pickle now : ( 
Some nurturing in order for you and for her I think.
With love and strength,
J
  - Original Message - 
  From: cath nolan 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:26 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] vbac didn't happen


  Hi everyone, My friend had a baby boy last night by c.s. 
  I have spoken with her this morning. 

  After being seen by a wonderful midwife from this list, she rang and 
cancelled the caeser booking for yesterday morning and went into what sounds 
good labour after a sweep.

  . She couldn't talk much about details , but sounded happy with her baby boy 
called Riley, who was 8lb1 and 54 cms. He has breastfed beautifully, thank 
goodness. By the gist of the short story , was examined and told to push and 
wasn't fully. AH. Then told to breathe through etc etc, re examined hours 
later 6cm. I'm so over women being put through this crap.  God I wish people 
would learn to trust womens bodies and stop fiddling. Why can't they wait until 
pushy signs happen!!
  Of course I have n't said anything to her just venting here about this.She 
sounded tired and a bit spaced out, having regular peth and will talk more when 
she is out of hospital. She is pleased that she laboured and had no analgesia 
throughout. It's just a damn pity that she needed the section in the end. 

  I'm off to work a late shift, wish me luck, Cath

Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: help needed

2006-12-27 Thread Janet Fraser
Has she been in touch with the women from Birthrites? Someone could support her 
to just stay home until labour is established which sounds about the only way 
she will achieve a vaginal birth.
I hate how women are put in these appalling positions.
J
  - Original Message - 
  From: cath nolan 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:05 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: help needed


  resending this and hoping it gets to the list. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: cath nolan 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 2:10 PM
  Subject: help needed


  I have a good friend from Kununurra  who has gone to  Perth who is 9 days 
post dates and wishing desperately for a vbac. She is seeing the clinic at 
Osborne park  and has had a show and periods of niggling and sporadic 
contractions for the past few days. Has been told today to come in for 
c/section tomorrow at 0630 and the staff are refusing to to a sweep and stretch 
( even though the Reg  said to have one 1 week ago) I have advised castor oil  
and to question why tomorrow.  They have mentioned fluid levels dropping, but 
haven't done anything about that- sounds like scary medical tactics to me. Has 
anyone got any ideas, I would like to be there to do a sweep but I'm in 
Victoria.  Thanks Cath

Re: [ozmidwifery] Haemorroids

2006-12-26 Thread Janet Fraser
The cream is really good and can be kept in the fridge for extra soothing. I've 
not heard of painful burning but a little warming feeling apparently.
HTH
  - Original Message - 
  From: suzi and brett 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 6:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Haemorroids


  Some women have complained to me that the witch hazel tincture burns so much 
they cant bear it...have you heard of  that prob?

  There is also that thick Witch hazel barrier cream.

  Also warm compress in labour is supportive.

  Suzi


  - Original Message - 
From: Philippa Scott 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:35 AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Haemorroids


My naturopath out me on something called Phytopro by Metagenics. I take 2 3 
times a day and they are gone within 1-2 days. When I stop taking them they 
come back. I only have them during pg and shortly after so not long to go know 
but they have been great.

Cheers

 

Philippa Scott
Birth Buddies - Doula
Assisting women and their families in the preparation towards childbirth 
and labour.
President of Friends of the Birth Centre Townsville

 




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser
Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 12:59 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Haemorroids

 

Tissue salts are really effective and available in most health food shops, 
topical witchazel is excellent too. 

J

  - Original Message - 

  From: Michelle Windsor 

  To: Ozmidwifery 

  Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:26 PM

  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Haemorroids

   

  Hi everyone,

   

  Just needing some help for a friend who is 36/40 with very painful 
haemorroids. Is there anything that can be done apart from symptomatic relief 
and not becoming constipated?  And in your experience how painful do women find 
them when they are pushing?

   

  Thanks in advance

  Michelle


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Re: [ozmidwifery] Dr Jose Villars and pre-eclampsia

2006-12-26 Thread Janet Fraser
Lea said: Even though they are referring to new ways of treating with drugs, I 
think both these articles actually point to nutrition having a huge effect. If 
they are finding that Evidence suggests that the disorder is triggered when 
the fetus is not able to absorb sufficient amounts of oxygen from the placental 
blood supply... then what is it that would enable better ability to absorb 
oxygen from the placental blood supply?...good nutrition - which allows a 
healthy placenta to develop. So Dr Tom Brewer's idea that pre-eclampsia can be 
avoided by excellent nutrition during pregnancy still holds true as we find out 
more and more about the condition from studies.

Well that's what I think but fans of this doctor stuff keep telling me that all 
it proves is that nutrition is absolutely nothing to do with PE and Brewer is a 
crank. I don't see many women whose surgeons tell them how to eat to avoid PE 
but I see a lot of midwifery input in this.
Very interesting and ta for the articles!!
J

Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth

2006-12-21 Thread Janet Fraser
Is there any chance of a complete list being collated? Consumers would find 
that very useful : )
J
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mary Murphy 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:33 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth


  Thank you all for your swift replies.  I am supporting midwife who, as a 
midwife in homebirth, did lots of water births and was recently present at a 
water birth in a hospital where SHE supported the midwife who supported a 
woman's wishes for a water birth.  As we have only 'accidental' water birth 
policies in WA hospitals, these midwives are being 'hauled over the coals' for 
not making the woman get out of the water to birth.  Lots of intimidation going 
on.   This will all help.  Thanks and Merry Christmas, Mary M


Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

2006-12-20 Thread Janet Fraser
It's a complex list of stuff, not just bfing, that creates lactational 
ammenorhea, Kylie. Cosleeping, no dummies, no bottles of ebm, no being away 
from your child/ren longer than about 3 hours, and having a nap in the daytime 
with them among other things. And then ultimately each woman is different in 
her experience of menstruation recommencing. Women who use bfing in conjunction 
with knowing their own fertile signs are doubly covered and a barrier method 
now and then if one isn't sure has got to be a good thing, hey?
J
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kylie Carberry 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 10:09 AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception



  I am doing a story on contraception for a pareting magazine. I want to state 
that the WHO confirmed breastfeeding as 98 per cent effective means of birth 
control for the first six months   provided the baby was fully breasfed and 
periods have not commenced. So as far as the 'fully' part goes, how is that 
interpreted. My friend thought she was fully breastfeeding, however, her twin 
boys were sleeping 8 hours at night and thus she became pregnant when they were 
four months old. So does fully mean no less than four-hourly feeds. Or should 
women just take added precautions if they are not up for any little surprises.

  thanks in advance



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Re: [ozmidwifery] Haemorroids

2006-12-20 Thread Janet Fraser
Tissue salts are really effective and available in most health food shops, 
topical witchazel is excellent too. 
J
  - Original Message - 
  From: Michelle Windsor 
  To: Ozmidwifery 
  Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:26 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Haemorroids


  Hi everyone,

  Just needing some help for a friend who is 36/40 with very painful 
haemorroids. Is there anything that can be done apart from symptomatic relief 
and not becoming constipated?  And in your experience how painful do women find 
them when they are pushing?

  Thanks in advance
  Michelle

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Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

2006-12-20 Thread Janet Fraser
I don't think it's risky or tricky, or silly for that matter. I was trying to 
be thorough in my reply and not make sweeping statements. Recently one of my 
moderators did some research on achieving fertility again while breastfeeding 
so she came up with a list which could equally be applied to Kylie's article. 
Obviously LA works a treat if you look at cultures which pursue child-led 
weaning but western culture just doesn't and therein can lie the problems for 
many people. Most people don't understand anything about bf in the first place, 
as we all know ; )
Here's the list in case you're interested, Kylie. It was for a member with a 2 
year old who'd like to ttc but hasn't bled in 2 years and with no signs of 
bfing slowing. It's a very mixed bag of refs  but some great ones : )

* Feeding EBM by bottle 
(http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:1ilEf4An7dMJ:www.bfmed.org/ace-files/protocol/finalcontraceptionprotocolsent2.pdf+lactational+am
 enorrhea+fertilityhl=engl=auct=clnkcd=30)
* Supplementing feeds (formula or solids)
* Increased use of pacifiers
* Feeding on schedule instead of on demand
* Increased intervals between feeds (4hrs during day, 6hrs at night)
* Waiting until bub is 6mths or older 
* Reduce time at the breast during a feed (shorter feeds, no comfort sucking)
* Reduce total time at the breast per day to 65 min or less (McNeilly AS, 
Glasier AF, Howie PW, Houston MJ, Cook A,Boyle H. Fertility after childbirth: 
pregnancy associated with
breast feeding. Clin Endocrinol (Oxf). 1983 Aug;19(2):167-73., 
http://www.medela.com/NewFiles/faq/lam.html)
* Reduce night time feeds (Heinig MJ, Nommsen-Rivers LA, Peerson JM, Dewey KG. 
Factors related to duration of postpartum amenorrhoea among USA women with 
prolonged lactation. J Biosoc Sci. 1994 Oct;26(4):517-27., 
http://www.medela.com/NewFiles/faq/lam.html)
* Stop co-sleeping, including no naps with your child during the day (Kippley, 
Sheila. Breastfeeding and Natural Child Spacing: How Ecological Breastfeeding 
Spaces Babies. Cincinnati: Couple to Couple League International, 1999, 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactational_Amenorrhea_Method)
* Be separated from your child for more than 3 hours a day (Kippley, Sheila. 
Breastfeeding and Natural Child Spacing: How Ecological Breastfeeding Spaces 
Babies. Cincinnati: Couple to Couple League International, 1999, 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactational_Amenorrhea_Method)

And what if you're a co-sleeping, fully BFing, no pacifier, BF on demand mumma? 
How long will it be until your period returns? Average return of menses for 
women following all [...] criteria is 14 months, with some reports as soon as 2 
months and others as late as 42 months. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactati...norrhea_Method

Of course, once your period does return, continuing breastfeeding can still 
affect your chances of conception. 
(http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...t_uids=7761906)

Reference pages - very eclectic mix some ok, some good
http://www.medela.com/NewFiles/faq/lam.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactati...norrhea_Method
http://www.fhi.org/training/en/modul...references.htm (lots of references for 
articles on lactational amenorrhea, if you want to do more research)
http://www.fhi.org/training/en/modul...getstarted.htm 
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:1ilEf4An7dMJ:www.bfmed.org/ace-files/protocol/finalcontraceptionprotocolsent2.pdf+lactational+am
 enorrhea+fertilityhl=engl=auct=clnkcd=30

[ozmidwifery] Dr Jose Villars and pre-eclampsia

2006-12-19 Thread Janet Fraser
Hi,
I'm looking online for this man's work and can't find anything much but a 
mention at the US patent office. This makes me suspicious but anyway... 
Apparently the thrust of his work is that nutrition has no effect on 
pre-eclampsia, something with which I cannot agree. But I can't find his work 
to read! The preeclampsiafoundation.org people like him but their site is 
solely surgeon-driven and that too I don't like! Anyone help me?
Very grateful : )
J
For home birth information go to:
Joyous Birth 
Australian home birth network and forums.
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Birthing options in Albury/Wodonga

2006-12-14 Thread Janet Fraser
Her safest option (as ever) is a hb and this is available in A/W. There is a 
really high rate of c-sec in the local hospitals.
J
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kate and/or Nick 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:56 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birthing options in Albury/Wodonga


  Hi

   

  I have a friend having her first baby in the A/W area. She's asking me 
questions about what her care options are, and I have no idea what's on offer 
there. Can anyone give me a quick rundown on maternity care in the A/W region?

   

  Thanks

   

  Kate


Re: [ozmidwifery] Epidurals - entering the bloodstream

2006-12-11 Thread Janet Fraser
Here are some useful sources for the risks of epidurals. Funny how women are 
told to avoid alcohol and soft cheeses in pregnancy but encouraged to imbibe 
powerful and dangerous drugs in labour.

Drugs in labour twenty years hence. 

http://www.midwiferytoday.com/artic...ugsinlabour.asp 

epidural information 

http://gentlebirth.org/Midwife/epirisks.html 

A little excerpt 


Quote: 


Generally, it is true to say the epidurals are a safe and effective method of 
relieving pain in labour - but safe does not mean risk free - the risks are 
there - it is wrong to say there are none (re the hospital employed 
childbirth educator) See Thorp, J.A.  Breedlove, G (1996) Epidural Analgesia 
in Labour: An evaluation of Risks and Benefits 23(2) 63-83. for a good review 
of the literature. 
. hypotension 12 - 23% 
. maternal fever - (then unnecessary antibiotic therapy - then the yeast 
infection - then.) one study cited an increase of 0.07 Celsius rise per 
hour exposure to epidural anesthesia. another reported 5% of fetuses reached 
cores temp in excess of 4Celsius, another found a statistically significant 
increase in maternal temps  38C associated with EA. 
. inadvertent spinal ( and headache to follow - which a blood patch does not 
always cure - the incidence depends on skill of operator July - new 
residents - expect a huge increase in spinals in the teaching hospitals. ) 
. pruritus, nausea and vomiting. (no numbers here - but more likely with 
spinals) 
. backache - significant more women c/o backache following EA (RR 1. 
. fluid overload- ?pulmonary edema??? 
. infection from epidural site 
. resp arrest 
. anaphylaxis 
. nerve damage 
Henci Goer on epidurals 
http://parenting.ivillage.com/pregn...a=adid=16053332 

Epidurals: can they impact breastfeeding? 
http://parenting.ivillage.com/pregn...0,,h1nz,00.html 

Epidurals: real risk for mother and baby - Sarah Buckley 
http://www.acegraphics.com.au/articles/sarah02.html 

The Epidural Express: 
Real Reasons Not to Jump On Board 
by Nancy Griffin, M.A., AAHCC 
http://birthrites.edsite.com.au/Epidural.html 

Medical Risks of Epidural Anesthesia During Childbirth 
http://www.healing-arts.org/mehl-madrona/mmepidural.htm
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelly Zantey 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 4:42 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Epidurals - entering the bloodstream


  Hello,

   

  Can anyone point me to a medical source or evidence which proves that 
epidural anaesthesia enters the bloodstream? Someone in my forums has said she 
has tried to find medical sources but can't find them anywhere.

   

  Best Regards,

   

  Kelly Zantey

   


Re: [ozmidwifery] independent midwifery

2006-11-30 Thread Janet Fraser
I have
 to ask...why would one chose this model of care?

It puzzles me too. Why choose an evidence based carer and then take them
somewhere they can't provide you with it? Most of the women I've seen do it
are basically too chicken to stand up to their families or partners and
demand what they really want - a homebirth. It seems a waste of skills to me
but if a woman had a genuine medical need to be in a hospital it might be a
better option than the luck of the draw she'd normally get. Otherwise, hire
the MW and STAY HOME, I reckon ; )
J

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Kaede` Anne

2006-11-23 Thread Janet Fraser
How very wonderful!!! Welcome earthside wee girl!
Love,
J x
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dan  Rachael Austin 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 3:41 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Kaede` Anne


  Hi!

  I birthed Kaede` Anne yesterday morning at home in water after a gentle night 
of labour.  Born at 38 weeks, she weighed 6 pound 14oz.  She is beautiful and 
adorned by her big brother Rhett. Rhett is going to give her some breastfeeding 
lessons this PM because she is having trouble getting it right! :)

  Love,
  Rachaelxx
  _
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  Namcala
  418 Austin's Road 
  Theodore, QLD, 4719
  HPh: (07) 49931213
  Dan's Mob: 0409896285
  Rachael's Mob: 0419750780
  Fax: (07) 49931341

Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding is Best, But What Comes Next?

2006-11-23 Thread Janet Fraser
  Well a lot of our ideas of low high and appropriate levels of iron come 
from formula companies trying to make bm out to be defective. The real studies 
into iron and children are very different. I never understand the logic that 
people think toddlers need a special food so you have to give them formula when 
we have prefectly fine toddler food in our breasts. My kid seems to have 
survived without the benefit of Karicare.
  [insert vomiting noises] I hate artificial feed companies.
  J

  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelly Zantey 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 2:14 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding is Best, But What Comes Next?


  That's the full page ad in the back of Melbourne's Child this month.. and the 
answer? Karicare of course. I think they have it wrong. that's not what the WHO 
says! J There is also a chart that compares Karicare against other dairy 
products with regards to sugar levels and they have highlighted that they are 
5th down the list - all cows milk above them, flavoured milk and yoghurt under 
it. I hate too how they flaunt the high levels of iron and that 1 in 3 toddlers 
has low iron stores. 

   

   


Re: [ozmidwifery] homebirth Qld

2006-11-21 Thread Janet Fraser
You're better off contacting HMA, Kristin. There's only one registered MW in 
Brisbane but some outside of there.
J
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kristin Beckedahl 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 3:43 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] homebirth Qld


  I did post this already - but not sure where it ended up..?

  What is the cost of a homebirth in Qld (south end)..? Can anyone give me some 
names of independent midwives also for this area?

  Kristin :-) 





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Re: [ozmidwifery] setting up a website

2006-11-19 Thread Janet Fraser
I've replied offlist : )
J
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kristin Beckedahl 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 6:01 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] setting up a website



  Speaking of our independent services... My next adventure is setting up a 
website.  Whose got one and can anyone give me a ballpark figure at how much 
this is going to cost me, and how long the process can take? Thanks.

  Kristin (CBE, Naturopath)




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Re: [ozmidwifery] Alternative GBS

2006-11-18 Thread Janet Fraser
There is considerable literature on the dangers of antibiotics in labour not to 
mention the added difficulty to the women trying to labour with an IV hanging 
off them. Antibiotics can also cause thrush which when passed from mother to 
baby and back again can cause immense difficulties with breastfeeding. It's not 
as simple as antibiotics are easier than dying of GBS, nothing like it!
http://www.joyousbirth.info/articles/gbsnaturalapproach.html
  - Original Message - 
  From: Diane Gardner 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 11:41 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Alternative GBS


  A homebirth midwife friend of mine in the USA sent me the douch and garlic 
recipes a while ago. Here they are:

  regards
  Diane Gardner


  douche:

  three parts water

  one part hydrogen peroxide

  douche before bed four nights in a row having the morning of the fifth day 
the day of your 'test' (if person is taking the test this gets you a negative 
result, which is a real result as the h2O2 has killed off all the strep virons 
in the vagina so the woman is 'good to go' for her birth as well)

   

  OR:

  insert one raw garlic clove vaginally for six nights in a row. Scoring the 
cloves is best, however, the raw garlic juice can be strong and 'burny' in the 
vagina.  Start with just one or two 'scores' or break surface of the clove with 
a knife point 2-3 times.  See how that feels and go from there, the more 
scoring or pokes into the surface of the garlic, the more GBS killing takes 
place.

  The woman may taste garlic in her mouth after insertion.  Some women are 
really worried and do both, the douche and then insert garlic--THAT combo would 
REALLY get all GBS microbes for sure!


Re: [ozmidwifery] homebirth costs.

2006-11-18 Thread Janet Fraser
That restriction of practice really bothers me, and I can imagine it would 
bother midwives who want to provide evidence based care to their clients. Women 
with breech babies are in an unenviable position in Perth.
J
   Midwives are indemnified by the Govt insurance, but at the cost of more 
bureaucracy and restricted options.  I am not complaining, just pointing out 
some of the difficulties. MM 
   

   


Re: [ozmidwifery] birth pool

2006-11-18 Thread Janet Fraser
We have one we rent out in JB and are hoping to get more. I haven't seen
disposable liners but methylated spirits works to kill everything in labs so
we use that. If it's washed by the previous family and the subsequent family
and left in the home for a few weeks to load up with friendly normal
household bacteria specific to that home it's pretty good. No one's
complaining ; )
J
- Original Message - 
From: diane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] birth pool


 Does anyone have experience with this type of pool?? Can you get
disposable
 liners ??
 Cheers,
 Di

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 From: Andrea Quanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: ozmidwifery ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
 Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 10:24 PM
 Subject: [ozmidwifery] birth pool


  If any one is interested there is a la bassine birth pool advertised  on
  ebay with a few days to go in the bidding it is only up to $80:00  so
far
  Andrea Q
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Re: [ozmidwifery] homebirth costs

2006-11-15 Thread Janet Fraser



Brenda's cost suggestions are a lot 
less than some MWs closer to the city where $3000-4000 is common.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  diane 
  
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 5:20 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] homebirth 
  costs
  
  Wow thats a significant difference between NSW 
  and Vic, what about elsewhere??
  
  Cheers,
  Di


[ozmidwifery] Fw: New Campaign- changing formula advertisiing.

2006-11-15 Thread Janet Fraser
  http://www.geocities.com/action_against_formula/

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Maternal Deaths 2000-2002

2006-11-15 Thread Janet Fraser
Chilling stuff to read how many of the women who died having complications
most likely related to their previous caesareans. Avoiding that first
surgery is key to avoiding so much trauma.
J
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Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 12:58 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Maternal Deaths 2000-2002


 http://www.npsu.unsw.edu.au/MD2002_02%2017%20Oct%202006.pdf

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Re: [ozmidwifery] No Births at Ryde Birth Centre

2006-11-14 Thread Janet Fraser
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] No Births at Ryde Birth Centre



Justine,
can you clarify what you mean? I 
don't understand what you're saying. What "greater good" are women losing out 
to? How long will it last? When will births be reinstated? Who is the driving 
force behind denying women their intended place and mode of birth and what are 
their motives? Is MC taking up the cause to fight for the consumers to have 
access to what they were promised?
TIA,
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Justine Caines 
  To: OzMid List 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:56 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] No Births at 
  Ryde Birth Centre
  Dear AllRyde Midwifery Group Practice is not 
  closing. For the immediate future all women booked on the RMGP will need 
  to birth at RNS.I believe Ryde Hospital is having some issues and 
  there is a view to ‘remove’ the RMGP from greater Hosp issues (as the MGP is 
  going beautifully) simply to avoid the MGP being caught up in any political 
  who ha (like happened with Camden -and believe me I know because it was our 
  very effective rally where we stole all of Bob Carr’s thunder that got things 
  happening in Camden). The thing with Camden/Campbelltown is when 
  issues are levelled at a Hosp (even unrelated) it makes it very hard to get 
  our work going. This is probably one of the reasons why the Camden model 
  is still birthing in Campbelltown (mad, wrong, etc etc) but a political 
  imperative (according to those with the power).Ryde is too important 
  to the greater maternity reform agenda too lose in unrelated hospital issues. 
  Whilst I am disappointed for the women who are birthing now and will be 
  affected I think sometimes we have to weigh up issues for the greater 
  good.At the same time we need to support the women in the here and now 
  (this is something I have always arued for when bureacrats talk softly softly 
  on reform)There are some options. If any woman wants to stand 
  their ground let us know and we can support her. Otherwise I think we 
  really need to insist that these women have the same facilities they could in 
  Ryde ie access to water etc etc. Obviously they will still have their 
  known midwife.Please let us know if we can assist in advocating for 
  these women as MC was part of the establishment of the Ryde service and we 
  have all the relevant contacts.In 
solidarityJustine


Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth After C-Section Information and Support group.

2006-11-14 Thread Janet Fraser



How excellent, Philippa! Not enough 
to do with your time?
; )
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Philippa Scott 
  To: Philippa Scott 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:35 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birth After 
  C-Section Information and Support group.
  
  
  Hello,
  
  I am contacting you to let you 
  know that I am forming a Birth after C-Section information and support group. 
  The idea behind this group is to give women (and their partners if they would 
  like to) an opportunity to speak to others that are interested or experienced 
  in VBAC (Vaginal birth after 1 or more C-Sections) and the options available. 
  We will explore the facts, the myths, the fears and the emotions that surround 
  this decision and it will be a supportive place for people to search for 
  answers. We welcome those that are already pregnant and those who are 
  considering their options for a planned pregnancy or anywhere in-between. This 
  group will run once per month unless the group would like to meet fortnightly 
  instead. In order to run in the best interests of all we would prefer that 
  participants give themselves a couple of child free hours to focus on 
  themselves, however we welcome babies.
  
  The first gathering will be on 
  Thursday the 23rd of November at 
  7:30pm.
  Location - Shop 6/16 Brampton Street, Cranbrook in the Kids in Harmony 
  Centre.
  RSVP – Philippa Scott 47734075 or 
  0407648349 by the 22nd of November (the meeting will only go ahead 
  if you let me know you’re coming)
  Cost - $10 per person / $15 per 
  couple, concession $8 per person / $12 per 
couple.
  
  Please feel free to pass this 
  invitation along to anyone you think it may benefit. As this is just kicking 
  off your feedback on times and dates is also appreciated. I look forward to 
  hearing from you soon.
  
  Regards
  
  
  Philippa 
  ScottBirth Buddies - DoulaAssisting women and their families in the 
  preparation towards childbirth and labour.President of Friends of the 
  Birth Centre Townsville
  
  This is for The 
  Townsville and Thuringowa region in Queensland, Australia. Some who receive this 
  email will do so because it may be a resource they can direct people to. Thank 
  you.


Re: [ozmidwifery] No Births at Ryde Birth Centre

2006-11-14 Thread Janet Fraser



I know a couple of MPs but this stuff 
is rather vague I don't know exactly how to brief them. Anything particularly 
clear to share with them would be appreciated!
: )
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  sally 
  tracy 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:07 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] No Births at 
  Ryde Birth Centre
  Dear allI might be able to shed a bit of 
  light on Justine's comments. One of the obstacles we had in getting Ryde 
  Midwifery Group Practice up and running was an assurance to the Area health 
  service that there would always be someone (obstetric) capable of doing 
  an emergency CS if necessary at the Ryde hospital - in case of a dire 
  emergency. Needless to say this has never been called upon - but 
  with the troubles of the Ryde General Hospital - the RMGP is drawn into 
  it all unwittingly - because the RMGP can no longer assure the area 
  heath service that an obstetrician can provide that back up at 
  Ryde.Therefore this is really a timely opportunity for the RMGP to 
  reframe the service they are providing and have it ratified by the Area health 
  service - without the nonsense clause that existed in the first 
  proposal. Belmont for example does not have this clause - and I think 
  Ryde midwifery group practice only had it because we had to compromise a on a 
  few fairly benign (we thought at the time) caveats in order to get started. 
  Now we are several years down the track and looking OK - i dont think it 
  will be such a hurdle..so I think Justine is correct is asserting 
  that it will be only a blip in the process - but a process never the 
  less - and for those of you getting these things up and running - 
  there are so many battles to be fought -i guess we have to look at this 
  as just another not insurmountable (but tiresome) hurdle. I do 
  think it would be incredibly helpful if any consumers concerned could take it 
  up with as many people as possible - ie their local member of 
  parliament, the CEO of the Area health Service, the head of Obstetrics at 
  Northern Sydney Health, the NSW Health department , the Australian College of 
  Midwives - anybody who needs to know this isn't good enough  
  best wishesSally t.[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  

  Justine,
  can you clarify what you mean? I don't understand what you're saying. 
What "greater good" are women losing out to? How long will it last? When 
will births be reinstated? Who is the driving force behind denying women 
their intended place and mode of birth and what are their motives? Is MC 
taking up the cause to fight for the consumers to have access to what 
they were promised?
TIA,
J

I'm interested to hear the answers to these questions to Janet.

Thanks
Love Abby
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Re: [ozmidwifery] No Births at Ryde Birth Centre

2006-11-14 Thread Janet Fraser





  
  

  DATE

  Wednesday 8 
  November 2006


 
 



  
  

  


  

Announcing temporary changes to 
Maternity
Services 
at Ryde 
Hospital

Ry 
The Ryde Midwifery Group Practice based at 
Ryde 
Hospital 

 
has successfully offered a ‘low tech, low intervention’ approach 

to 
pregnancy, labour 
and delivery to suitable women.

Unfortunately it has not proven possible 
to recruit to Ryde 
Hospital a Career Medical Officer (CMO) with the appropriate skills 
to assist midwives with the
resuscitation of a newborn baby if 
required.

Therefore, 
effective immediately, all women booked to birth at Ryde 

will birth instead at 
Royal North Shore Hospital, in the care of their 

attending 
midwife. This is a temporary 
measure and will be reversed 
once a 
suitably skilled CMO is appointed.

Please 
note:
· 
The Ryde 
Midwifery Group Practice is NOT closing
· 
NSCCH is 
actively recruiting a career medical officer with 

 suitable 
skills
· 
Ryde midwives 
will go to RNSH with Ryde mothers 
· 
Mothers will 
experience exactly the same ‘low intervention’ style of birthing they would have 
received at Ryde
· 
All ‘booked 
in’ mothers have been informed of this 
temporary
arrangement
· 

“Although 
obstetric emergencies are rare at Ryde, it’s our responsibility to be prepared,” 
explained Dr Michael Nicholl, Clinical Director of Women’s, Children’s and 
Family Health, North Shore  Ryde Health Service. 


“I regret 
that this short-term arrangement is necessary but labour 
and
delivery can 
be unpredictable even in low risk situations. It’s important to 

have medical 
expertise available if required. 


“The safety 
of mothers and babies is our priority.”

 
INFORMATION FOR FAMILIES: Telephone:  


 
Media contact: 
Pat McDermott NSCCH Corporate Communications
 
9926 6733 / 0413 025 741


Re: [ozmidwifery] No Births at Ryde Birth Centre

2006-11-14 Thread Janet Fraser



Are there really MWs who can't 
resus??? Sounds very unlikely to me! What's the "greater good", Justine? I'm 
more confused than ever.
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Janet 
  Fraser 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:20 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] No Births at 
  Ryde Birth Centre
  
  
  


  
DATE
  
Wednesday 8 November 
2006
  
  
   
   
  
  
  


  

  
  

  
  Announcing temporary changes to 
  Maternity
  Services 
  at Ryde 
  Hospital
  
  Ry 
  The Ryde Midwifery Group Practice based at 
  Ryde 
  Hospital 
  
   
  has successfully offered a ‘low tech, low intervention’ approach 
  
  to 
  pregnancy, 
  labour and delivery to suitable women.
  
  Unfortunately it has not proven possible 
  to recruit to Ryde 
  Hospital a Career Medical Officer (CMO) with the appropriate 
  skills to assist midwives with the
  resuscitation of a newborn baby if 
  required.
  
  Therefore, 
  effective immediately, all women booked to birth at Ryde 
  
  will birth instead at 
  Royal 
  North 
  Shore 
  Hospital, in the care of their 
  
  attending 
  midwife. This is a temporary 
  measure and will be reversed 
  once a 
  suitably skilled CMO is appointed.
  
  Please 
  note:
  · 
  The Ryde 
  Midwifery Group Practice is NOT closing
  · 
  NSCCH is 
  actively recruiting a career medical officer with 
  
   suitable 
  skills
  · 
  Ryde 
  midwives will go to RNSH with Ryde mothers 
  · 
  Mothers 
  will experience exactly the same ‘low intervention’ style of birthing they 
  would have received at Ryde
  · 
  All ‘booked 
  in’ mothers have been informed of this 
  temporary
  arrangement
  · 
  
  “Although 
  obstetric emergencies are rare at Ryde, it’s our responsibility to be 
  prepared,” explained Dr Michael Nicholl, Clinical Director of Women’s, 
  Children’s and Family Health, North Shore  Ryde Health Service. 
  
  
  “I regret 
  that this short-term arrangement is necessary but labour 
  and
  delivery 
  can be unpredictable even in low risk situations. It’s important to 
  
  have 
  medical expertise available if required. 
  
  
  “The safety 
  of mothers and babies is our priority.”
  
   
  INFORMATION FOR FAMILIES: Telephone:  
  
  
   
  Media contact: 
  Pat McDermott NSCCH Corporate 
  Communications
   
  9926 6733 / 0413 025 
741


Re: [ozmidwifery] No Births at Ryde Birth Centre

2006-11-13 Thread Janet Fraser



I've tried phoning Ryde but no one's 
answering either today or yesterday. Can anyone answer the question yet? Is it 
closing?
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  brendamanning 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:24 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] No Births at 
  Ryde Birth Centre 
  
  Hush Hush is how these things 
  happen.
  Same is about to happen to Rosebud 
  midwifery but it's being kept quiet because we are 2 weeks from an election 
   it'll "affect the voting " ! 
  How's that ??
  With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Happy Hogarths 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 2:15 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] No Births at 
Ryde Birth Centre 

Hi,

My sister is booked in to Ryde birth centre and 
has two months to go of her pregnancy. She has just been told that the Obs 
at Royal North Shore have told the midwives at Ryde that there are to be no 
more births there until further notice! This was, apparently, with no 
discussion with the midwives at the birth centre. All women who are booked 
in there are 'allowed' to receive prenatal care there but 'have to' birth at 
Royal North Shore so a specialist can be on hand.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!! I am so sick of womens 
rights in childbirth being taken away. My sister has very few options as she 
can't afford a homebirth and has now missed out on going to another birth 
centre.

Did anyone know about this? It seems to have 
been kept very hush hush.

Love 
Abby


[ozmidwifery] Bubhub and Dr Brown's bottle promotions

2006-11-09 Thread Janet Fraser
They could at least abide by the WHO Code. It's not much to ask that sites
where women seek support and advice will not offer ads for artificial milk
with it's track record of harming babies. Bubhub also has forums devoted to
CC and CIO, formula feeding and caesareans. It is also endorsed by Maternity
Coalition and ACMI. Strange messages to be sending, hey?
J

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Re: [ozmidwifery] testing

2006-11-08 Thread Janet Fraser



http://www.unhinderedliving.com
http://www.purebirth-australia.com

Both collect stats.
: )
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Vedrana 
  Valčić 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 7:58 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] testing
  
  
  You can always check 
  at http://www.mail-archive.com/ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/maillist.html 
  to see if there was any mail you didnt get.
  
  I was wondering  are 
  there any statistics for planned unassisted birth in low-risk pregnancies 
  published anywhere? Since midwives are not qualified enough to be independent 
  in Croatia (education at high-school level), and obstetricians are not allowed 
  to practice outside of where they work, some women choose to birth at home, 
  unassisted. I wonder if they are putting themselves and their children more at 
  risk then if they choose to birth in hospitals with high intervention rates. 
  Its not black and white, I know, but it would be interesting to see the 
  research.
  
  Vedrana
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] 
  On Behalf Of Lisa 
  BarrettSent: Tuesday, 
  November 07, 2006 11:51 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 
  testing
  
  
  I was thinking the same thing 
  Mary, it must just be quiet.
  
  Lisa 
  Barrett
  

- Original Message - 


From: Mary 
Murphy 

To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 


Sent: 
Wednesday, November 08, 2006 8:59 AM

Subject: 
[ozmidwifery] testing


No mail for days. Is it 
just quiet? 
MM


Re: [ozmidwifery] International Help

2006-11-02 Thread Janet Fraser



I've got BC and HBstats pulled 
out of the perinatal data for Australia. I've also got at least one state 
breakdown.
Let me know
J

From: Jo Watson 

  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 3:03 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] International 
  Help
  Hi wise women :)
  
  Someone on another newsgroup I subscribe to has this request... can 
  anyone help?
  
  
I am giving a talk on midwifery to a group of 
obstetricians next week.

We are in the US but I am 
interested in comparing our model of care
with other 
countries.

I am having a particularly 
difficult time finding descriptive
statistics on midwifery 
practice in other countries. I would like to
know the percentage of births 
attended by midwives vs. physicians in
the UK, Scandanavia, 
continental Europe, Australia. A comparison of
perinatal outcomes for these 
countries would also be helfpul.

Can anyone 
help?

Note: references for 
information are essential.
  Thanks,
  Jo
  


Re: [ozmidwifery] vulva varocise veins

2006-11-01 Thread Janet Fraser



http://www.gentlebirth.org/Midwife/miscdisc.html#Vulvar

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kristin 
  Beckedahl 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 12:30 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] vulva varocise 
  veins
  
  
  Can anyone offer another remedy to help ease these besides external witch 
  hazel?
  Thanks,
  Kristin
  
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[ozmidwifery] RANZCOG VBAC pamphlet anyone?

2006-10-30 Thread Janet Fraser



Hi all,
I'd like a look at the RANZCOG 
pamphlet for giving to women interested in VBAC. It's listedon their 
website but sadly not downloadable. Vaginal Birth After Caesarean Section – A Guide for 
Women.Can anyone give me an executive summary?
TIA,
J
For home birth information go 
to:Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums.http://www.joyousbirth.info/Or 
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane Midwife

2006-10-29 Thread Janet Fraser



I know of two but I don't know if 
they're currently working what with the QNC and all. There are 2 women in JB 
who've had breech babies at home with MWs in Brisbane. They might know and so 
would HMA.
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Lisa Barrett 
  
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 6:46 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane 
  Midwife
  
  Are there any midwives in Brisbane that attend 
  breech birth? I've had an enquiry
  Lisa Barrett
  



Re: [ozmidwifery] High-risk Lovemaking

2006-10-26 Thread Janet Fraser



It's excellent, Vedrana : ) Much 
cuter than my usual poo analogies!
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Vedrana 
  Valčić 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 5:18 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] High-risk 
  Lovemaking
  
  
  Hillarious (on the line of Monty 
  Python and the machine that goes ping):
  
  http://www.spontaneouscreation.org/SC/HighRiskLovemaking.htm
  
  :D
  
  Vedrana
  


[ozmidwifery] Fw: attachment parented teens

2006-10-26 Thread Janet Fraser



A Joyous Birth member wrote this for 
her son. It's lovely! I thought you might like to read it : )


Intro: Just remembering the days 
when I 'attachment parented' one or two children...the comments about how 
they'll never sleep alone, be independent, stop breastfeedingmaking a rod 
for my own back...they'll be spoilt etc, I thought you may be interested to read 
this. Written for The Mother magazine www.themothermagazine.co.uk this was also enclosed in Jake's 16th 
birthday gift, a copy of Johnathan Livingston Seagull. 
BOY By Emma Lewis To All The Parents Who Are Being Told 
  Otherwise By Everyone, Take heed; Meet Jake. This is 
  the boy who Everyone said couldn’t possibly be born in a house-truck with no 
  running water or electricity. This is the boy who Everyone said I 
  couldn’t possibly birth without medical intervention. This is the boy 
  who Everyone said was a high risk pregnancy because I would not eat red 
  meat…had a very rare blood group…was short with a small shoe size…was sooo 
  young (20!!!). This is the boy who Everyone said would never stop 
  breastfeeding…sleep alone…be independent…be able to socialize (when he learned 
  at home). This is the boy who Everyone said was deprived as he didn’t 
  get playgroup biscuits…grandma’s sweets…sausages at the village fete. 
  This is the boy who Everyone said would need to leave playgroup 
  because he bit a boy who had been terrorizing him for a year, and I refused to 
  smack him for biting…and then it was discovered he wasn’t vaccinated – I think 
  they thought he was carrying rabies!!! This is the boy who Everyone 
  said would never be any good at maths. This is the boy who Everyone 
  said we were irresponsible to continue travelling with. And 
  This is the boy who was indeed born peacefully in a housetruck. 
  This is the boy who at aged three asked me: “What would this be if it 
  wasn’t a stone?” ?! This is the boy who wanted a present “just 
  like the ones on the Christmas cards” and was so delighted to receive a gift 
  wrapped in sparkly paper and a bow, the contents were irrelevant. This 
  is the boy who walked and carried backpacks for all the years we were 
  vehicle-free, including at six years old 25+kms daily as we pushed a handcart 
  around New Zealand. This is the boy who would perform ‘Funny Shows’ to 
  cheer up his siblings when they were hurt or sad. This is the boy who 
  would cuddle his baby siblings to sleep and continue to hold them asleep in 
  his arms (because he knew where babies need to be). This is the boy 
  who waited nine years to be in one place long enough to finally have his 
  yearned-for silkie hens – and was so concerned for their well-being and 
  comfort that he slept with them in the newly-built hen-house (Cluckingham 
  Palace) for their first few nights away from their mother. This is the 
  boy who didn’t mind at all about having four sisters in a row (after him), 
  despite Everyone saying he should. This is the boy who, at nine years 
  old, merrily and confidently travelled from New Zealand to France with friends 
  for a 6 month adventure – so much for never being independent!! This 
  is the boy who wrote, illustrated and published his first conservation-based 
  book at age 11, donating all the proceeds to the trust that helps save the 
  rare penguins he wrote of (www.yellow-eyedpenguin.org.nz). This is the 
  boy who appeared on prime-time national radio and tv, and in newspapers and 
  magazines internationally to promote the book and the penguins’ plight – 
  despite absolutely hating the lime-light. This is the boy who, on 
  starting school (at 11), totally confused and baffled the teachers with his 
  questions, understanding, concepts and knowledge. This is the boy who, 
  on initially being outcast at school, said it was “OK” because he “Liked 
  himself”. This is the boy who knows how to seek until he finds the 
  truth. This is the boy who brought home the class award for “being a 
  great role model”. This is the boy who does just fine at maths 
  thankyou very much (although still believes he can’t thanks to those earlier 
  comments!). This is the boy who has attended more joyful, natural 
  births (seven siblings) than most obstetricians, doctors and medical midwives. 
  This is the boy who can stand up to authority when he knows it’s 
  wrong. This is the boy who leads by example, despite contrary peer 
  pressure. This is the boy who has a really neat bunch of mates. 
  This is the boy who has (currently) found his passion in art, 
  graphics, music and drumming. This is the boy who, at 16, is off for 
  his very first, self-funded, solo adventure – back to New Zealand from 
  Australia, where he is being welcomed back to his previous summer’s employment 
  as he is such a conscientious, well-liked team member, and to socialize with 
  his many, special, varied friends there. Happily. 
  Independently. Freely. Stand strong. Be free. Fly high 
  

Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth Awareness week...

2006-10-25 Thread Janet Fraser



Can I get those, Jo?
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  jo 
  
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:59 
  AM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth 
  Awareness week...
  
  
  Good for you Tania, I 
  hope all goes well – let us know! 
  
  After our phone 
  conversation last night I suppose you can give dates for the next Homebirth 
  Australia Conference!
  
  love
  Jo 
  x
  
  
  
  
  
  From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Tania SmallwoodSent: Wednesday, 25 October 2006 3:06 
  PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth 
  Awareness week...
  
  
  Right back at ya Jo! I’ve 
  just received a call from the producer of Radio Adelaide’s brekkie show, and 
  I’m getting a whole 7 minutes on air tomorrow morning to promote HBAW and 
  homebirth in general! It’s a community radio station, and I know they 
  don’t have the listeners that some of the more commercial stations do, but I’m 
  still getting really nervous!
  
  Tania
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Re: [ozmidwifery] my letter to 60 minutes

2006-10-23 Thread Janet Fraser



Thanks, Pinky : )

Kali from Byronchild and I have been 
invited onto Macquarie network regional talkback tonight in answer to the 60 
Mins crap. The journo is sending me a list of stations and also details for live 
streaming if anyone's interested. :D

Thanks, everyone. It would seem that 
the discussion sparked has made it all worthwhile!
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Pinky McKay 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 9:11 
  AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] my letter to 60 
  minutes
  
  
  My letter to sixty minutes
  
  I could have written an encyclopedia on that 
  segment but figure they will only read short ones - well done 
  Janet.
  
  Pinky
  www.pinky-mychild.com
  
  
  Why do we need to label parenting styles? Or to 
  offer such exteme definitions? 
  
  This is about as much ‘attachment parenting’ as 
  saying that people who are environmentally conscious must grow all their own 
  food, make all their own clothes, build their own homes, and live in 
  isolation.
  
  Attachmentisn't 
  about what kind of nappies parents use (or dont!), and it doesnt require both 
  parents to give up their day jobs, nor does it require adults to 'earn' 
  children's respect or never say 'no'. 
  
  Surely all people deserve to be treated with 
  respect -including children. We CAN have happy, creative children AND 
  encourage mutual respect however long we choose to breastfeedor share 
  sleep witb our children or whether we send them to school or not.
  
  


Re: [ozmidwifery] 60 minutes

2006-10-23 Thread Janet Fraser



Thanks, Barb. It's most amusing how 
much they cut out of Conor being a delightful, well adjusted, polite nearly 3 
year old LOL. It was obviously just a ratings grab for the advertisers with all 
the *shock horror* footage of older babies bfing. Next week half naked swimsuit 
models? I bet those boobs would be ok : )
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Barbara 
  Glare  Chris Bright 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 6:45 
  AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] 60 minutes
  
  Good on you Janet. I thought you came 
  acorss very well.
  
  The show on the other hand just disgusts 
  me.
  
  Barb
  Barb GlareMum of Zac, 12, Daniel, 10, Cassie 
  7  Guan 3Counsellor, Warrnambool Vic[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  **
  
  Ph (03) 5565 8602Director, Australian 
  Breastfeeding AssociationMothers Directwww.mothersdirect.com.au


Re: [ozmidwifery] 60 minutes national radio rebuttal

2006-10-23 Thread Janet Fraser
You can catch my rebuttal to 60 Minutes on these stations: (I'm back on the
show next Thursday night about 10pm doing talkback on homebirth.)

Night Mix and Nelly @ Night markets / stations and FM frequency:



Queensland:

Cairns: 4CA FM

Mareeba: 4AM

Mount Isa: 4LM

Charters Towers: 4GC

Townsville: 106.3 Mix FM

Mackay: 4MK FM

Rockhampton: 4RO

Emerald: 4HI

Fraser Coast: 4MB

Sunshine Coast: 92.7 Mix FM

Kingaroy: 1071

Roma: 4ZR

Toowoomba: 4GR

Gold Coast: 92.5 Gold FM



New South Wales

Coffs Harbour: 2CS FM

Port Macquarie: 2MC FM

Orange: 2GZ FM

Griffith: 2RG FM

Young: 2LF FM

Central Coast: 107.7 2GO FM

Mildura: 3MA FM

Wagga Wagga: 2WG FM



Victoria

Bendigo: 3BO FM

Shepparton: 3 SR FM

Albury: 105.7 The River

Warragul: 3GG FM



South Australia

Mount Gambier: 5SE FM



Tasmania

Scottsdale: 7SD

Devonport: 7AD

Burnie: 7BU

Hobart: Magic 107 FM



Western Australia

Esperance: 6SE

Kalgoorlie: 6KG

Merredin: 6MD

Northam: 6AM

Narrogin: 6NA

Katanning: 6WB

Bridgetown: 6BY

Busselton: 756

Bunbury: 6TZ

Collie: 6CI

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Re: [ozmidwifery] hep B at birth

2006-10-20 Thread Janet Fraser



I tackle Vit K and Hep B at the same 
time. I think the govt sites are pretty funny saying you should have the hep B 
but then saying how you get it. The logic of how it's contracted is usually 
enough for most people.
Precocious bloody newborns ; 
)
J
Hepatitis B and Vitamin K http://www.midwiferytoday.com/enews/enews0344.asp#main 
Quote: The recommended daily intake (RDI) of vitamin K is 10 mcg for infants. Human milk does not 
provide this much vitamin K to the breastfed baby 
at any stage of lactation, despite the fact that mothers on average consumed 
670% of the adult RDI. In fact, nursing babies received on average only 7-13% of 
the RDI. Giving the mothers a modest daily supplement of 88 mcg/day did not 
increase breastmilk concentration of the vitamin. 
A large daily supplement, 5000 mcg, taken by breastfeeding mothers increased the 
amount of vitamin K in their milk to the same 
level with which formulas are fortified. Whether or not the RDI 
represents the amount of vitamin K that babies 
truly need is a matter that can be debated. The small quantities of vitamin K in human milk are adequate for most babies, 
as evidenced by the fact that the vast majority of breastfed babies do not 
develop vitamin K deficiency bleeding (VKDB). 
A single IM dose results in extremely high levels of vitamin K in the newborns' blood soon after 
injection: the peak median plasma concentration at 12 hours is 9000 times the 
normal adult level, and from one to four days after the injection the levels are 
about 100 times higher than in a normal adult. It is unknown what risk there is 
in exposing the newborn to these high concentrations of vitamin K. Cancer was suggested as a potential risk 
as early as 1983, but the evidence to date is inconclusive. 
General Discussion about Controversy over Administration of 
Vitamin K to Newborns http://gentlebirth.org/Midwife/vitamink.html 
A huge wealth of info, treatises, discussions etc. 
http://gentlebirth.org/cgi-bin/query.pl?swishindex=%2Fusr%2Fhome%2Ffalcao%2Findex 
.swishmetaName=Keywordskeywords=vitamin+kdetail=yesmaxresults=40 
Do a search for vitamin k here for 
the UK perspective. http://www.radmid.demon.co.uk Quote: 
Hep B info. This is from the Vic govt’s website which says 
all babies ought to be immunised but also tells you this is how you catch it… 
Wow those newborns are precocious! How is hepatitis B spread? Blood The hepatitis B virus is present in the blood of an 
infected person. If infected blood enters another person’s blood stream, that 
person may catch the disease. The disease can be spread by: Drug 
users sharing needles and syringes. Piercing the skin with equipment which 
is not properly cleaned and sterilised. Sharing razor blades or 
toothbrushes. One person's blood coming into contact with open cuts on 
another person. People who get blood transfusions do not run the risk of hepatitis B infection because blood donations are 
screened for the virus. You cannot catch hepatitis B from contact with urine or faeces unless 
they contain blood. Sex The virus can be spread if people have 
sexual intercourse without a condom. Mother to Baby Mothers who are 
carriers sometimes pass hepatitis B to their 
children. Some babies are infected in the womb or during birth. However, most 
infection occurs shortly after birth, so if the newborn baby is quickly 
immunised, he or she can be protected from the disease.

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  From: 
  Kristin 
  Beckedahl 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 4:27 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] hep B at 
  birth
  
  
  Does anyone know of an 
  article for parents or a link I could use for the 'other side of the argument' 
  for Hep B shot at birth for my CBE couples..?
  I can only find the 
  government prodcued brochures etc..
  Thanks,
  Kristin
  
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Re: [ozmidwifery] I need to vent!!!

2006-10-19 Thread Janet Fraser



Writing a complaint letter about 
inappropriate advertising of artificial baby "milk" might help you channel this 
rage. I HATE those stalls with a passion. You know that expo is really the 
Prams'n'Formula Expo, don't you? You'll also see lots of drug companies giving 
unbiassed (snort) show bags to pregnant women and even better, FORMULA companies 
giving SAMPLES and show bags to PREGNANT WOMEN. How's that for totally 
unethical, hey?!
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kelly @ 
  BellyBelly 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 9:51 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] I need to 
  vent!!!
  
  
  I’m going to be at the Melbourne 
  Pregnancy, Babies and Children’s Expo in Melbourne starting tomorrow, and who else is 
  my stand next to but…. Karicare! I felt so angry the whole time setting up 
  today - I have a really bad feeling they are going to be giving out toddler 
  milk samples, ready to drink – on the stand they have one of those drink 
  dispensing machines with the clear plastic tops with a mixer inside it, you 
  know like when you go to those ice-cream shops and they have slushies or juice 
  in them swishing around? GrRRrrRrr! I hope I am wrong but they always hand out 
  samples anyway. The marketing plastered all over the massive stand just 
  infuriates me... for mums who nutrition is important to them! It’s firing me 
  up and I am not even there yet!!! I don’t want to even look at them 
  tomorrow…
  
  Kelly 
  Zantey
  


[ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH???

2006-10-19 Thread Janet Fraser



While you are at it, you could complain to the 
Victorian Office of Children about their decision to keep having their Maternal 
and child health nurses educated by Wyeth. 

WTF? My jokes about MCHNs being sponsored by 
formula companies isn't a joke? Where can I learn more, Barb?
Janet


[ozmidwifery] hb Rockhampton?

2006-10-18 Thread Janet Fraser



Hi all,
does anyone know of a MW in this 
area?
J
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[ozmidwifery] oops lost c-secs refs!

2006-10-17 Thread Janet Fraser



Hi all,
can someone link me to those 2 latest 
studies on c-sec? Journo with the BorderMail in Albury is interested in seeing 
them for her article on hb.
I'm snowed under or I'd search 
myself.
TIA,
J
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Re: [ozmidwifery] We can make a difference (long)

2006-10-16 Thread Janet Fraser
MOST of the women I look after postnatally just don't
 listen or don't believe the advice they recieve - they don't trust
 their bodies.  It's like the birth experience has been owned by
 someone else, and now they are being asked to trust their body, and
 that baby knows what he's doing, wanting to be on the breast every
 hour, for example to get the milk in - and they just don't believe
 it.

I utterly agree, Jo. The entire process of childbearing and rearing no
longer belongs to women, we're bystanders at our own births a lot of the
time and tested out of our wits throughout pregnancy. The assumption in
medical birth is that pregnancy is dangerous and risky so why should bf be
any different? Bodies are measured, sampled, quantified from the moment
women step in the door and almost all without any evidence of usefulness. I
see exactly what you're saying!!! We somehow expect women will go from being
virtual science experiments in labour to bfing a baby without problems. If
we tell women their bodies don't work to birth then we're also telling them
they don't work to bf. It starts way back in the whole process, even when
we're children and our faulty female bodies are disgusting in the eyes of
most people. I struggle sometimes to find a time and place when a woman has
trusted and believed in her body to relate to the ability to birth and bf. I
often resort to talking about pooing and breathing which happen really well
without a lot of attention being paid to them. Unhindered pooing is a
popular theme in my life atm ; ) I even said VAGINA on the radio yesterday
which caused the interviewer to do a quick intake of breath hahahaha.
J

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Goodbyes

2006-10-14 Thread Janet Fraser



Why not start a yahoo group for 
Finnish MWs, Paivi? It's free and it comes in all languages. How excellent would 
that be?! I'm a big believer in starting your own group if it's needed. I can 
guarantee that if you feel a lack, so do others. Go for it!
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Päivi 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 3:48 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Goodbyes
  
  Just a quick noteto all of you, before I 
  run of to work.
  
  Two days ago I went to the Finnish Midwives 
  meeting, where a hospital midwife gave a speach. She described what it was 
  like to care for women twenty years ago, or even ten years ago, when they gave 
  birth on their own empowered. She also described the seem in the today's 
  hospitals with women wanting all possible drugs at the doorstep. It must be 
  hard to work in those circumstances. But what made me really sad is, that 
  thisparticular midwife had lost her hope for things ever changing. She 
  seemed to have accepted, that time had changed things, and there is no going 
  back anymore. When I got home I wrote to her and told about this list, how 
  every day I read your encouraging commets and stories of women giving birth on 
  their own every day in today's world. How that inspires me to beleive, that I 
  can still change things around in my country an tomorrow can be better, than 
  today. I received a reply from her. My letter to her had made her very happy, 
  because she saw, that there was someone, who has the energy to beleive in the 
  better future, to try to fight the system, to inform the parents and inspire. 
  Obviously she hadn't sensed this for years. We don't have a single forum like 
  this in my country, there are no homebirth conferences or such to attend. 
  Simply there is very little change for these midwives around the country to 
  support each other in their common goal; to provide women with evidence based 
  practise.
  
  I think this list is the best, because I always 
  get an onest opinion of what happens, when midwives don't give in to the 
  policies, and work independently. And also how things can be done even in the 
  high-risk hospital. You are the Best!
  
  Gotta go now,
  
  Don't leave sadie =)
  
  Päivi
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
adamnamy 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 7:04 
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Goodbyes


I too appreciate 
the variety of input from all contributors. Things get a bit heated 
but that’s life at the coalface. Our biggest challenge is not each other but 
an attitude that says women can’t be in charge of their own bodies and make 
their own decisions. Let’s not lose sight of that goal and get 
personal. We all do our bit, the bit that we can do. And always, 
it will vary according to our strengths and 
weaknesses.

It would be a real 
shame to lose either of you. As a non midwife, I really appreciate the expertise and 
the perspectives that midwives working in various settings bring to the 
discussions. We need to know what we are up against…so be honest about 
the challenges you face, because they become ours pretty 
quickly.

In gratitude for 
your dedication,

amy





Re: [ozmidwifery] blood gasses and other policies

2006-10-14 Thread Janet Fraser



I hear this stuff too, Barb and it 
concerns me greatly. I did some research on BFHI though and you don't need much 
to get accreditation!The attitidues you describe showvery little 
understanding of how bf works or how babies bf in the early days of their lives 
but it horrifies the crap outta me that so many get forcefed and have their guts 
permanently altered. I also hear of way too little support for women to bf in 
SCN and "minimal handling" taken to mean the staff can do whatever they 
like and the parents are limited!This has huge implications for those 
kids' health for the rest of their lives and at some point someone in govt has 
to notice how much it costs in the long run to ff.
: (
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Barbara 
  Glare  Chris Bright 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 9:42 
  AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] blood gasses and 
  other policies
  
  HI,
  
  Interesting conversation about blood 
  gasses.I frequently get reports from mothers and health professionals 
  that they gave birth in a Baby friendly hospital, or a hospital with clear 
  policies on breastfeeding, but that babies are given infant formula often 
  without their parents consent, or not with their parents INFORMED 
  consent. This always intrigues me greatly. There seem to be no 
  repercussions for staff who go against breastfeeding policies. Reasons I 
  have heard for staff giving babies formula when I've asked midwives why they 
  gave a baby formula include "the other midwife told me the baby was hungry", 
  we didn't want to disturb the mother etc. Mothers tell me they were told that 
  staff didn't want to wake/disturb the mother - they knew she was tired. 
  Told she had no milk. Told the baby was hungry and needed 
  something.And, my personal favourite, "it's OK, at this hospital we give 
  babies the formula that is closest to human milk" Rarely are they told 
  WHY the midwife thinks these things.These are babieswho are well, 
  don't even start me on babies in the nursery where parent's rights seem to go 
  right out the window.Some parents I have spoken to are very upset and 
  angry. I wonder why breastfeeding policy is in a *different* category in 
  most hospitals? Do others find this?
  
  Barb


[ozmidwifery] Port Pirie hb?

2006-10-13 Thread Janet Fraser



Hi all,
does anyone know of a hb MW in the 
region of Port Pirie, SA? I need to talk local issues with her.
TIA : )
J
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Re: [ozmidwifery] WV Based med rejected

2006-10-12 Thread Janet Fraser



Makes me shudder to read this stuff. 
I love how it's always OUR fault we get carved up because:
As the obstetric population becomes older, 
heavier,
and increasingly 
primiparous, the cesarean rate in the US
will continue to 
rise. 


J



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mary 
  Murphy 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:29 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] WV Based med 
  rejected
  
  
  This is part of 
  the text of the last article. Isn’t it amazing that individualization is 
  O.K for obstetricians, but not for women wanting normal births? 
  MM
  
  The recent 
  emphasis on evidence-based medicine has
  tended to 
  overshadow the need for individualization in
  obstetrics. RCTs 
  provide information about populations,
  but cannot 
  replace clinical judgment. Even if it is
  true, for 
  example, that cesarean section is generally safer
  for babies in 
  breech presentation, neither mother nor
  child would be 
  well served by emergency surgery performed
  when the breech 
  is on the perineum. Although
  RCTs provide the 
  highest level of evidence, their external
  validity is often 
  limited by small sample size and the
  recruitment 
  biases inherent to the research process.
  Furthermore, 
  investigators are not a random sample
  of providers. In 
  the statistical spirit of our time, it is
  probably fair to 
  say that clinical judgment and technical
  ability are 
  normally distributed within the profession.
  These attributes 
  are not often equally developed in the
  same individual, 
  nor is there any evidence that academic
  achievement 
  correlates positively with clinical excellence.
  In light of such 
  confounding factors, it is prudent to
  maintain a degree 
  of skepticism about the conclusions
  of any 
  study.
  The future of 
  cesarean section
  ‘‘.we have all 
  regretted that we have not done a
  cesarean in 
  certain cases, but I have yet to regret one
  that I have 
  done.’’23
  Few obstetricians 
  would disagree with this sentiment,
  expressed by a 
  prominent New 
  York obstetrician in 
1920.
  Given this 
  attitude, is there an upper limit to the cesarean
  rate? As the 
  obstetric population becomes older, heavier,
  and increasingly 
  primiparous, the cesarean rate in the US
  will continue to 
  rise. This trend will be accentuated by
  the reluctance, 
  or inability, of obstetricians to perform
  934 
  Cyr
  


[ozmidwifery] asthma in labour

2006-10-12 Thread Janet Fraser



Hi all,
can bronchodilators, particularly 
ventolin, for severe asthmacause labour to slow or stall? Would it's 
action of relaxing smooth muscle have this effect on the uterus or is an inhaled 
drug (even in strong doses) too little entering the bloodstream for an 
effect?
TIA.
J
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Re: [ozmidwifery] asthma in labour

2006-10-12 Thread Janet Fraser



Thanks, Mary and Honey. I've learnt 
that it's via IV in large doses. A woman was told by her hb MW she couldn't 
birth at home and have ventolin via nebuliser as it would stall/halt labour. I 
can now reassure her that it's not the case.
: )
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Honey 
  Acharya 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 8:11 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] asthma in 
  labour
  
  They give injected ventolin before performing 
  someECV's to relax a uterus do they not?
  But perhaps intramuscular or intravenous is 
  different to inhaled???
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Mary 
Murphy 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 8:58 
PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] asthma in 
labour


Yes, it has been 
used in a different delivery method, but definitely has been and probably 
still is, for “calming” contractions. I am sure some one who is 
familiar with it will reply. MM





From: 
owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
[mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] 
On Behalf Of Janet 
FraserSent: Thursday, 12 
October 2006 6:29 PMTo: 
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] asthma in 
labour


Hi 
all,

can 
bronchodilators, particularly ventolin, for severe asthmacause labour 
to slow or stall? Would it's action of relaxing smooth muscle have this 
effect on the uterus or is an inhaled drug (even in strong doses) too little 
entering the bloodstream for an effect?

TIA.

J

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birth information go to:Joyous Birth Australian home birth network 
and forums.http://www.joyousbirth.info/Or 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding

2006-10-11 Thread Janet Fraser



I've seen this before and it was 
indeed related to sexual abuse. Fortunately the woman involved was keen that her 
issues didn't end up impacting negatively on the life of her baby so she went 
for counselling and was able to work through her stuff enough to bf.How 
sad that our abusers are able to reach through us to our children like 
this.
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Andrea 
  Bilcliff 
  To: Ozmidwifery 
  Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 11:05 
  AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] 
Breastfeeding
  
  I'm posting this on behalf of a birth attendant 
  who has contacted me. She will be supporting a womansoon who has for 
  want of a better term, 'breast issues'. 
  
  The woman really wants to breastfeed but 
  thethought of itmakes her feel ill. She hates it when her partner 
  touches her breasts. The birth attendant is not sure whether this is related 
  toprevious sexual abuse or not.
  
  I've never come across this situation before and 
  wondered if others had experience of this and what helped the 
  women?
  
  Thanks,
  Andrea 
Bilcliff


Re: [ozmidwifery] missing mail

2006-10-10 Thread Janet Fraser



Same here. By rights it should be 
going in my junk mail - no offence Susan ; ) - since I have a list of addresses 
that only go to my inbox. Weird indeed!
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Katy 
  O'Neill 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 4:44 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] missing 
  mail
  
  Yes Katy.
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
cath nolan 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 9:55 
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] missing 
mail

I am getting Susan Cudlipp's test message 
coming in my email inbox, not to the diverted ozmid list. Is this happening 
to anyone else?, Cath.__ NOD32 1.1794 
(20061006) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 
antivirus system.http://www.eset.com


Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: term breech trial

2006-10-10 Thread Janet Fraser
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: term breech trial



Consumers: Put it out there that breech does not necessarily 
equal c/s and continue to mount the arguments of the furphy of risk (for much of 
obstetrics). Support women we meet to demand choice.

Yes yes! I haven't seen one 
woman decide to have a vb for breech in the system yet. If the staff don't scare 
them with how surgery is safer, they're too scared to even try because the staff 
tell them they have no skills to catch breech babies. No win situation. There 
are lots of scarred bellies for breech among women I know and in our anti-VBAC 
climate that is of particular concern for their future birthing 
careers.
J


Re: [ozmidwifery] New Inventors birth seat

2006-10-07 Thread Janet Fraser



There's a few reasons it doesn't grab 
me. On some info about the chair it says she designed it so MWs would be more 
comfortable and not have to sit on toilet floors while women laboured on the 
loo. In hospitals birthing in the toilet is a really good idea because it can 
keep surgeons away. It also gives a woman more privacy while this chair seems to 
me to look like something throne-like that draws attention to a birthing woman 
in the wrong way. No woman could be left to labour unobtrusively sitting on this 
huge thing. I would prefer that instead of adding more products to birth that we 
looked at using what we have and losing a lot of normally happens. SImply 
turning off the lights, putting a beanbag on the floor or supporting a woman on 
the toilet are pretty cheap and allow women to be more in control and focussed 
on the business at hand. Using supportpeople as organic furniture is free 
and so much better.It didn't get a vote of confidence from Joyous Birth 
women either.
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kristin 
  Beckedahl 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 8:30 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] New Inventors 
  birth seat
  
  
  It was great to hear the 'inside' story re the birth seat, ie from 
  midwives that have attended women using them.
  Perhaps this kind of feedback could get to the midwife who decided it; 
  maybe they can alter it somehow to have the back resting on hydraulics (!) so 
  the woman can move around a little - or is that just a little too ambitious - 
  ? LOL
  Kristin
  
  

From: "Kristin Beckedahl" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: 
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: 
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] New 
Inventors birth seatDate: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 08:53:59 
+0800

Did anyone else manage 
to catch this on Wednesday night - I only managed to get the info from their 
website after the event, but its looks wonderful!!!
http://www.abc.net.au/newinventors/txt/s1754147.htm 
(you can play the video too)
What a fanastic invention - apparently quite 
'cheap' too.. Not sure if she won the nights award - but cant wait for the 
day when these are standards in hospitals and universities for mid 
training...
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Sports drinks

2006-10-06 Thread Janet Fraser



What you're saying is what a lot of 
research into low carbing says, Mary.
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mary 
  Murphy 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 5:32 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sports 
  drinks
  
  
  I think that there is no doubt about the fact that 
  extra fluids reduces ketonuria, the debate is : Is ketonuria harmful or 
  beneficial or just neutral? It may be that what is pathological in 
  illness may be a product of normal metabolism in labour. From what I 
  have read, Ketoacidosis is the harmful state, not ketonuria and 
  ketonuria is not necessarily a symptom of ketoacisosis. More 
  confused? MM
  


Re: [ozmidwifery] Wounds

2006-10-06 Thread Janet Fraser
Hi Lisa,
it still itches now and then and I get occasional fungal infections in it.
I'm lucky I healed really fast after the surgery unlike many women but it
does seem a long time to be still getting the odd issue with it. Conor will
be 3 next month. Interestingly I know lots of women who have screaming pain
or burning in their scars years after the surgery when doing emotional
healing work. How much more complex are humans than it would seem?!
J
- Original Message - 
From: Lisa Gierke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 4:17 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Wounds


 Hi Janet
 Out of interest how does your wound give you trouble? Gee what a pain
after
 all that time!
 Lisa

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser
 Sent: Friday, 6 October 2006 3:54 PM
 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
 Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Wounds


 I haven't seen research but I'd be interested. It seems counterintuitive
to
 me to blow dry a perineum. I imagine we have a sensible built in healing
 system that's used to a normally lubricated genital area. The c-sec wound
 still gives me trouble now and then thanks to my built in apron so that's
 more a case for drying, I'd think. Looking forward to some evidence : ) J
 - Original Message - 
 From: brendamanning [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 1:04 PM
 Subject: [ozmidwifery] Wounds


 Apologies for the x posting.

 Have a query on behalf of a colleague.
 Does anyone know of any research regarding the use of warm air (ie hair
 driers) to help heal peri  abdo wounds.
 We did it years ago  it went out possibly with the moist wound healing
 phase. She is after actual research for evidence based prac, has googled 
 MIDIRd for it but nothing so far.

 I will ask our skin integrity nurse too.
 Any research you all know of ?

 With kind regards
 Brenda Manning
 www.themidwife.com.au

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Re: [ozmidwifery] No Contractions

2006-10-06 Thread Janet Fraser
I've known more than one woman who has waited many hours, even overnight. I
know a woman who fully dilated, went to bed and slept all night then got up
in the morning and pushed her baby out. It's interesting how wide the
variation of normal is when birth is relatively undisturbed. I'd have paid
money for a Rest and be Thankful in my recent marathon labour!
J
- Original Message - 
From: Lisa Gierke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 7:07 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] No Contractions


This is one for the MIPPs...you here the occasional story of a woman at full
dilatation during homebirth having a prolonged period of no contractions and
going to sleep...How long would you wait? And when would you get concerned?
These stories are in such contrast to what goes on in hospitals as someone
has said...I'm sure there are some who believe that all will die if the
synto isn't put up and flogged

In response to the commetns about ARM...women know too that ARM will often
speed things up and it is a common request..of course doesn't mean that it
is done...sometimes we find that the women we care for aren't interested in
the normality of stuff and just what it over and done with.Many women would
choose synto over waiting!
Lisa


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Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: Headline - Birth rights for men

2006-10-05 Thread Janet Fraser
Yay for David!
J
- Original Message - 
From: diane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: Headline - Birth rights for men


 the readers comments generated from this article are a great read, 
 everything from C/S to freebirth, wow!!!
 Di
 - Original Message - 
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 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
 Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 5:53 PM
 Subject: [ozmidwifery] FW: Headline - Birth rights for men
 
 
  Congratulations to David Vernon and the college on Men at Birth - 
  article
  from the SMH attached
 
  
 
 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Wounds

2006-10-05 Thread Janet Fraser
I haven't seen research but I'd be interested. It seems counterintuitive to
me to blow dry a perineum. I imagine we have a sensible built in healing
system that's used to a normally lubricated genital area. The c-sec wound
still gives me trouble now and then thanks to my built in apron so that's
more a case for drying, I'd think. Looking forward to some evidence : )
J
- Original Message - 
From: brendamanning [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 1:04 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Wounds


Apologies for the x posting.

Have a query on behalf of a colleague.
Does anyone know of any research regarding the use of warm air (ie hair
driers) to help heal peri  abdo wounds.
We did it years ago  it went out possibly with the moist wound healing
phase. She is after actual research for evidence based prac, has googled 
MIDIRd for it but nothing so far.

I will ask our skin integrity nurse too.
Any research you all know of ?

With kind regards
Brenda Manning
www.themidwife.com.au

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Re: [ozmidwifery] QUOTE OF THE WEEK

2006-09-27 Thread Janet Fraser



I think that's nonsense. This is the 
quote that springs to my mind when I read that:


  
  

  

  
A snippet from www.midwiferytoday.com Think about It: Cesarean 
  Section While it is symbolic that the only Barbie model that gives 
  birth does so through her abdomen, the escalation of cesarean rates 
  illustrates more than women's self-loathing. It takes two to do this 
  tango. Obstetricians, "relentlessly driven to control the unpredictability 
  of pregnancy and birth," must accept responsibility as the dispensers of 
  cutting-edge technology. Dr. [Germaine] Greer views the rise in cesarean 
  rates as part of the widespread cultural assault on women's bodies and 
  more specifically, a transfer of the ritual mutilation of the vagina 
  (through episiotomy) to the mutilation of the uterus itself. Surely, 
  cesarean rates approaching 25 percent cannot be medically justified. As 
  Dr. Greer points out, "Much of what is done to women in the name of health 
  has no rationale beyond control." Insult is added to injury when 
  women, who labour but end up birthed by cesarean, are told that their 
  bodies (their pelvis, uterus or cervix) are to blame. The truth is that 
  induction, analgesia, electronic fetal surveillance, an unfamiliar 
  environment and lack of continuous labour support all interfere with the 
  sensitive process of labour and affect the outcome. Dr. Greer reminds us 
  that "blaming the victim for the crime is a pattern of injustice very 
  familiar to feminists." — Karen Robb, excerpted from the article 
  "Thank You, Germaine Greer: A Midwife Comments on Greer's bestseller, The 
  Whole Woman" Midwifery Today Issue 57

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mary 
  Murphy 
  To: list 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 5:44 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] QUOTE OF THE 
  WEEK
  
  
  "We need 
  to find a way between the rock of medical model standard of care and the hard 
  place of women's insistence on pain-free, rapid childbearing to meet the needs 
  of both mother and baby."— Sharon 
  Glass Jonquil 
  


Re: [ozmidwifery] Belinda birth story

2006-09-26 Thread Janet Fraser
How wonderful, Belinda! How great that you owned your own fears and were
able to be With Woman. I know there's a very grateful mama out there with
her chubby new daughter.
With love,
J
- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 2:04 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Belinda birth story


 getting back to birth - I had a great day today!
 I had a woman who lives out of town and has had two previous cesareans
 sections have a beautiful birth at home of a chubby baby girl.
 After I had experienced a traumatic birth three months ago of a woman
 who ruptured her uterus suddenly in second stage (in hospital) and a
 traumatized but recovering mother and baby (long story) I had felt
 anxious about birth and found myself second guessing myself all of the
 time.
 Taking on this woman challenged me to either be the midwife I wanted to
 be - that is trusting in women and supporting their decisions when they
 have received all of the information, or allow myself to be engulfed
 with fear and worry.
 This birth today was special for many reasons and healing for the mum
 who was still emotional about her first two sections and desperate for a
 vaginal birth, but it is I found also healing for me. I supported her
 and cared for her and didn't let myself get caught up in the potential
 fear that was hanging around me from my earlier trauma.

 Thankyou so much to the SAIMA midwives especially Lisa, Tania, Larissa,
 Julie, Milly and Rosie  - all of you really, who have supported me as I
 worked through my fears and trauma, the offers of support we so
 appreciated, thankyou Lisa and Rosie for offering to sit outside the
 house just to support me, it was great knowing you would do that for me
 XXX
 midwives are good to each other
 Love Belinda
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Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article

2006-09-22 Thread Janet Fraser



Beautifully said, Lisa. Thank 
you!
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Lisa Barrett 
  
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 4:11 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news 
  article
  
  I- 
  
Every contribution counts 
and whilst I think I understand the point you're trying to make about 
reaching the mainstream, it's dangerous to begin tempering our message to 
better enable us to begin "marketing" it to the majority gratuitously - 
women and babies are not a market and our integrity is not for sale. I 
fear the overstepping of that invisible line that would transform us into 
nothing too different from the Obs and Hospys - big business, marketed to 
the masses (for instance, in my personal experience, your forum/site needs 
to compromise a lot in order to appeal to the larger membership you enjoy; 
this results in some less than optimal advertising and advice, and the sad 
loss of some wonderful contributions and items. Do the ends justify 
the means? That's a decision we each need to make, and your contribution is 
still significant, though not necessarily in the form I would personally 
choose for myself). What is the point of a message reaching more 
people if the message has had to be diluted and perhaps changed in order to 
get there? Nothing is simple and these aspects need to be 
considered. It is the various voices of all of us that shed light on 
darker areas of the topic; some more straightforward and uncompromising 
contributions may seem difficult to hear but they're usually the most 
valuable and evidence-based in my experience, and I enjoy them 
thoroughly.

--
I agree totally with this. I could never 
agree with women going to a 5 star facility instead of going home or in fact 
not leaving their home at all, when we know this would prevent the need in 
the first place. I don't want my views to be dumbed down so that 
uniformed women can think they are more palitable. The women on the 
thread that was posted here weren't thinking of their pregnancy birth or 
baby but of the fantastic offer of 5 star accommodation. I just feel 
sorry for the reality that lies ahead for them after their awful birth ( 
published figures at Ashford the hospital in the storysection rate 
49.9% instramental rate 16%) well I don't think they are going to be 
over subscribed since only 34% of women over the whole year birth 
normally. Some months none do.

Lisa



Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article

2006-09-22 Thread Janet Fraser



'long 
haired hairy leggged hippy homebirth faction' Oh Diane that's a crack up, made 
me laugh a lot to hear that old furphy still getting a work out : ) Please let 
your friend know that statistically home birthing women are middle class and 
tertiary educated. Tree loving or leg shaving I cannot vouch for but maybe we 
should run polls on it.
Funny how women who act from 
scientific evidence are depicted, isn't it?!
: )
J - middle class, 
tertiary educated, lover of shoes, lipstick and home birth, never confused with 
a hippy when viewed in person : )


Re: [ozmidwifery] agonising pain described by Vic govt

2006-09-22 Thread Janet Fraser



I wonder what idiot wrote that? I'm 
still stuck on the idea that NCB is "popular" these days. Where is that? Let me 
go there immediately!
*shaking head*
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  diane 
  
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 7:09 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] agonising pain 
  described by Vic govt 
  
  OMG, check this out 
  


  
Childbirth - pain relief options
  

   
The current popularity of natural childbirth can make some pregnant 
women believe that using pain-relieving drugs during labour is ‘weak’ or 
a sign of ‘failure’. However, childbirth is one of the most painful 
experiences the human body can ever have. Some women are lucky and have 
relatively short, easy labours, while others experience long, agonising 
ordeals. If you planned for a natural birth but find the labour pains 
overwhelming, don’t be reluctant to ask for pain relief. Childbirth 
isn’t a moral or political judgement of your ‘performance’ - the aim is 
simply to bring your baby into the world. 
  

  
  
  
  http://www.disability.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Childbirth_pain_relief_options?OpenDocument


[ozmidwifery] Re: conflict?

2006-09-22 Thread Janet Fraser



I'd have to say I have a somewhat 
different view from this after nearly twenty years of feminist activism. I 
dislike the idea that women are a homogeneous group who must all stand shoulder 
to shoulder without question or compromise to achieve our goals. I know 
Condoleeza Rice and I have little in common! We are socialised to avoid conflict 
at all costs hence the reason (among others, of course, but a big one) that we 
need birth activism in the first place. Many of us struggle to believe our right 
to question or say no is actually a right, not a privilege to be carefully 
exercised only when it can be guaranteed not to offend anyone. I'm tired of the 
old "women are harder on each other than men" line which is thinly veiled 
misogygny. Men also beat one another to death but no one says it about them! And 
most frequently that violence comes at women but again no oneseems to 
think that may actually be harder on women than a frank exchange of 
views!

Masculinism has a lot more to lose 
than we do as women claim power for themselves and this is one way it keeps a 
stranglehold on us. Conflict or difference are not innate problems. How they are 
managed is the issue. In any relationship differences will arise, and it's the 
way that is met and dealt with that either ends or continues the relationship, 
now strengthened by honesty and clarity of purpose and understanding. We cannot 
simply accept unquestioningly all ideas or this would turn us into mindless 
sheeple and there are enough of those in the world already. 

Our diversity is actually our 
strength, not a pretence at some kind of vagina solidarity. By the same token, 
the enforced uniformity of the monolith we oppose is both it's weakness and 
strength. Yes, the walls are strong but they cannot fail to fall with enough 
brilliance, strength and purpose pushing on them. Shutting up and not speaking 
our truths is way too dangerous and simply the patriarchy within enforcing it's 
rules through us as surely as women performing genital mutilation on one 
another. 

I'm not scared of wellmanaged 
disagreement because it's normal and ok to disagree even with those who share 
wider goals. Being challenged is essential to keeping us all learning and 
thinking and I'm so grateful to the women who challenge me and have nourished my 
soul and intellect this way. So thanks, Kelly, for speaking YOUR truth and I 
would cheerfully lie in front of a bulldozer to support your right so to do as 
soon as I climb down from the tree I'm hugging.

J - humourless 
feminist

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sadie 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 11:22 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news 
  article
  
  GO MARY
  
  Luv Sadie
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Mary 
Murphy 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 6:51 
AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news 
article


Tania rightly says 
”I have never gotten used to the amount of internal bickering and horizontal 
violence that is perpetrated by women, towards other 
women.“
CAN WE PLEASE STOP 
THIS! This juvenile attitude has split the women’s movement, the 
homebirth movement and every other collection of women I have seen and read 
about. 


Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article

2006-09-21 Thread Janet Fraser



Frankly it appals me that people 
think it's ok for health funds to cover this crap that should be a luxury we pay 
for ourselves. What about some equity of health care in this country? How about 
health funds pay for proper midwifery not bloody hotels.I think it's 
nauseating. Maybe if only SICK women, as opposed to BIRTHING women,were in 
hospital beds we wouldn't have a perceived need for luxury frigging hotels as a 
back up. And the whole mindset of having a rest with your other kids somewhere 
else escapes me. Fark yucko.
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kelly @ 
  BellyBelly 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:20 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news 
  article
  
  
  I posted the article 
  on my forums, here is what women think of the idea – be it what you agree with 
  or not – this is what THEY think so maybe we can get some ideas or learn 
  something from this: http://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=439579
  
  Best 
  Regards,Kelly 
  ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions 
  From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly 
  Birth Support - 
  http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 8:27 
  AMTo: 
  ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news 
  articleImportance: 
  High
  
  The Caroline flint 
  you have contacted is a politician, not the midwife. Try putting midwife 
  in front of the google search. It is confusing to have two high profile people 
  with the same name. MM
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vedrana ValcicSent: Wednesday, 20 September 2006 6:11 
  PMTo: 
  ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news 
  article
  
  Where can I find out 
  more about her marketing strategies? Midwives in Croatia would certainly appreciate 
  info about effective marketing strategies. I found this site: http://www.carolineflint.co.uk/news/news.htm, 
  but I don’t know if there is something more 
  detailed.
  Vedrana
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] 
  On Behalf Of Mary 
  MurphySent: Wednesday, 
  September 20, 2006 11:11 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news 
  article
  
  The woman who best 
  markets midwifery is Caroline Flint in the UK. 
  We should copy her marketing strategies. MM
  
  
  
  
  Kelly says..If we 
  want women to accept and value the midwife then it needs to be marketed 
  better, it needs to be trendy and jazzed up! Not just a choice being two sides 
  of the fence with opposing views as it is now. And they want to know what it 
  will do for THEM and what THEY will get out of it. At the moment there are 
  very many women who do not see birth as something that needs to be in the home 
  or is safe in home – that’s just a fact which we have to work 
  on.


Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article

2006-09-21 Thread Janet Fraser



Women can find community though like 
in many forums where friendships and practical support abound, meals are cooked, 
children cared for and all without some unquestioning consumerism coming into 
play. Playgroups, ABA groups, forums, primary schools, birth groups are all good 
places for the kind of support desparately lacking in our lives.Maybe you 
could encourage meal provision among your DDCs?Denying the 
sacredness of birth and women is what has led us to this silly fake idea that a 
5 star hotel makes up for that lack of respect and support we are accorded in 
pregnancy and birth. It's likethe really consumerist baby shower instead 
of a woman-focussed blessingway or motherway. It's really sad that we live in a 
world where care by complete strangers is a treat and one from which our other 
children are removed.
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kelly @ 
  BellyBelly 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:18 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news 
  article
  
  
  And the 
  whole mindset of having a rest with your other kids somewhere else escapes me. 
  Fark yucko.
   I wouldn’t 
  want to be away from my kids, but it’s because the problem lies far deeper 
  than a matter of resting up at a hotel. It’s because far too many mothers do 
  not have support, community and husbands working longer hours every week. They 
  are desperate for a break, nurturing etc and they are not getting it. Need to 
  work on the root cause of this not the symptoms. Big 
  ask.
  
  Best 
  Regards,Kelly 
  ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions 
  From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly 
  Birth Support - 
  http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet FraserSent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 6:21 
  PMTo: 
  ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news 
  article
  
  
  Frankly it 
  appals me that people think it's ok for health funds to cover this crap that 
  should be a luxury we pay for ourselves. What about some equity of health care 
  in this country? How about health funds pay for proper midwifery not bloody 
  hotels.I think it's nauseating. Maybe if only SICK women, as opposed to 
  BIRTHING women,were in hospital beds we wouldn't have a perceived need 
  for luxury frigging hotels as a back up. And the whole mindset of having a 
  rest with your other kids somewhere else escapes me. Fark 
  yucko.
  
  J
  

- Original Message - 


From: Kelly @ 
BellyBelly 

To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 


Sent: 
Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:20 PM

Subject: RE: 
[ozmidwifery] FYI news article


I posted the 
article on my forums, here is what women think of the idea – be it what you 
agree with or not – this is what THEY think so maybe we can get some ideas 
or learn something from this: http://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=439579

Best 
Regards,Kelly 
ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au 
Gentle Solutions 
From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly 
Birth Support - 
http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support




From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 8:27 
AMTo: 
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news 
articleImportance: 
High

The Caroline flint 
you have contacted is a politician, not the midwife. Try putting 
midwife in front of the google search. It is confusing to have two high 
profile people with the same name. MM





From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vedrana ValcicSent: Wednesday, 20 September 2006 6:11 
PMTo: 
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news 
article

Where can I find 
out more about her marketing strategies? Midwives in Croatia would certainly 
appreciate info about effective marketing strategies. I found this site: http://www.carolineflint.co.uk/news/news.htm, 
but I don’t know if there is something more 
detailed.
Vedrana





From: 
owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
[mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] 
On Behalf Of Mary 
MurphySent: Wednesday, 
September 20, 2006 11:11 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news 
article

The woman who best 
markets midwifery is Caroline Flint in the UK. 
We should copy her marketing strategies. MM




Kelly says..If we 
want women to accept and value the midwife then it needs to be marketed 
better, it needs to be trendy and jazzed up! Not just a choice being two 
sides of the fence with opposing views as it is now. And 

Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article

2006-09-21 Thread Janet Fraser



Kelly my personal opinion has no 
impact on the mainstream because I choose to mitigate it into support for women 
though that doesn't mean I also support women's choices when they are actively 
dangerous or unthinking. I choose to say little at all in that scenario.In 
a setting like ozmid where hopefully we can talk about stuff like big people and 
not have to play that game, I choose to say what I really think.
I had NO support as a first time 
mother, (A TF from a hb where trauma occurs means I was pretty unpopular in the 
very small and then disparate hb community in Melbourne at that time) so yes, I 
really do "get it" but I chose to go look for it and when there wasn't any, I 
created it in Joyous Birth which now supports all those many women in many ways. 
I'm sorry your own journey made it hard for you to accept support, not all of us 
choose to do it the hard way ; ) My personal opinion isn't going to offend the 
mamas on your forum because I don't post it there.
J


Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwife Directory Cancelled...

2006-09-17 Thread Janet Fraser
Joyous Birth has listings for private midwives as well as links to community
hb groups nationally. Due to the now dicey political nature of hb,
particularly in QLD, it's members only. So send women our way if they want
that info. It says on our website that we provide that info.
: )
J
- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Cc: Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwife Directory Cancelled...


 Kelly,

 I hope you will reconsider a Midwife Directory.  From a consumer's point
of view, it is extremely useful.

 Four years ago I was pregnant with my third baby when the idea of home
birth came across my radar for the first time.  With awareness of only very
mainstream sources I had a VERY VERY difficult time finding an independent
midwife.  One of the places I looked was in mainstream forums but I had no
luck there.  At that time I knew no one who knew anyone who had had a home
birth and did not know where to begin looking for a care provider.

 A Midwife Directory on a site like Belly Belly could help someone in that
situation.  The existence of a Midwife Directory would also help to inform
people that there IS such a thing as an independent midwife.  Four years ago
I thought a midwife was a nurse who helped doctors deliver babies (cringe).

 Rachele
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Re: [ozmidwifery] re birth story

2006-09-13 Thread Janet Fraser



How beautiful, Pinky. I love a real 
family birth!
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Pinky McKay 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 8:52 
  AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] re birth 
  story
  
  Hi all, I have just thought some of you may be 
  interested in reading my "column' about my daughters waterbirth - it was 
  published as one of my monthly columns in Practical Parenting a few months ago 
  and is up on my website - every little bit helps, as they say.
  
  http://www.pinky-mychild.com/features/pregnancy/family_born.html
  
  Pinky


Re: [ozmidwifery] re birth story

2006-09-13 Thread Janet Fraser



Di you're describing Joyous Birth 
LOL. We have about 600 online members who meet all over Australia regularly and 
do exactly what you're talking about! But you knew this, I'm sure : 
)
How lovely!
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  diane 
  
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:18 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] re birth 
  story
  
  That's a great article Pinky. One of my visions 
  is to create a community of women where positive birth stories are told. I'm 
  hoping to develop a 'birthplace' where women can access services, classes, 
  alternate therapies, groups, resources and products, to help change the 
  culture at least at a local level. I attended the Calmbirth course last week, 
  which was great. One of the most interesting things was meeting midwives and 
  doulas from all over the country, and hearing their different stories. We have 
  little pockets here and there in this country where natural birth and 
  homebirth is not considered to be too radical. The culture in Melbourne is so 
  different, there are doula's and homebirth midwives everywhere, where in other 
  parts of the country they are unheard of! Places like Bellingen, the north 
  coast of NSW, Toowoomba have their own little sub-cultures that are growing. 
  We need to act locally for a sub - culture to develop, that then becomes part 
  of a wider movement. The more positive stories that hit the 'mainstream' , the 
  more momentum is gained. (thanks Pinky and Kelly, and all of you who vocally 
  and publicly advocate for natural birth!)
  Cheers,
  Di
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Pinky McKay 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 8:52 
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] re birth 
story

Hi all, I have just thought some of you may be 
interested in reading my "column' about my daughters waterbirth - it was 
published as one of my monthly columns in Practical Parenting a few months 
ago and is up on my website - every little bit helps, as they 
say.

http://www.pinky-mychild.com/features/pregnancy/family_born.html

Pinky


Re: [ozmidwifery] Inductions for post term

2006-09-10 Thread Janet Fraser
I didn't get the original of this but I have something you might like to
read, Renee, if you email me direct.
J
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Re: [ozmidwifery] HB in Bundaberg

2006-09-10 Thread Janet Fraser
Title: HB in Bundaberg



I replied to this and it never 
arrived. I'll try again!

What about Sonya Beutel? MC QLD has 
an updated list of MIPPs and there's a new one on the Sunshine Coast which is 
really great news! Still only one in Brissie though...

J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Justine Caines 
  To: OzMid List 
  Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 9:33 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] HB in 
  Bundaberg
  Dear AllDoes anyone know of a homebirth 
  possibility in Bundaberg?Many ThanksJustineJustine 
  CainesSecretaryHomebirth AustraliaPO Box 625SCONE NSW 
  2337Ph: (02) 654536120408 21 02 73E-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.homebirthaustralia.org


Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Stats for specific hospitals

2006-09-04 Thread Janet Fraser



Some states have perinatal data 
published online, try google first. Look and see if they have websites. Ring and 
ask for an annual report. You will possibly have trouble if you ring and ask 
specific qns of hospitals. They get all weirdy beardy because they don't like 
people knowing stuff that should be public record. If you're asking about VBAC 
prepare to explain what it is to everyone person you're transferred 
to!
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kristin 
  Beckedahl 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:24 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birth Stats for 
  specific hospitals
  
  
  Hi all,
  Does anyone have a short cut way to 
  get birthing/intervention stats from a hospital? 
  Who/what/where do I call/ask for...? 
  I'm trying to get hold of Kind 
  Edwards Memorial Hospital and St. John of God - both inPerth
  Big thanks in advance,
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Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: RWH - Pain Relief Comment on Website

2006-08-30 Thread Janet Fraser



Given that they have a 1 in 3 c-sec 
rate and have got rid of their BC while pretending to "extend it's ethos" 
throughout the new buildings, what part of this surprises you, Kelly? The only 
thing I love about RWH is how unashamedly they promote this rubbish and how 
conveniently they put protocols and stats on their website so you can show 
consumers why not to go there.
I can barely read their crap, it 
makes me inarticulate with rage.
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kelly @ 
  BellyBelly 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 9:50 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] RE: RWH - Pain 
  Relief Comment on Website
  
  
  Gosh it gets 
  worse…
  
  “The options available for pain 
  relief during labour have increased dramatically since that time but it has 
  only been in the second half of this century that they have been made readily 
  available for women. The reality is that about 2 thirds of normal, healthy 
  pregnant women suffer severe or intolerable pain during labour, and only about 
  2% of women are fortunate enough to describe little or no discomfort. However, 
  despite this many women are still made to feel guilty or inadequate if they 
  ask for pain relief, and if they manage to achieve delivery without any form 
  of pain relief, they receive some mythical 'badge of honour'. In no other 
  situation would anyone deliberately allow someone to suffer so severely for so 
  long without attempting to relieve their pain. It is, of course, always the 
  expectant mother's decision as to whether she will have anything during 
  labour, but this can only be done in an informed fashion if she has been told 
  her options and the pros and cons of each before she goes into 
  labour.”
  
  
  Best 
  Regards,Kelly 
  ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions 
  From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth 
  Support - 
  http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
  
  
  
  
  From: Kelly @ 
  BellyBelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 9:44 
  PMTo: 'ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au'Subject: RWH - Pain Relief Comment on 
  Website
  
  I found this on the RWH website – 
  in the section about the con’s of epidurals:
  
  “6. Some people believe that 
  epidurals may increase the duration of labour, or increase the likelihood of 
  needing forceps or a Caesarean section. The evidence for or against this 
  belief is very controversial. It is almost impossible to do unbiased studies 
  to confirm or deny this belief. Women who have excessive pain and ask for an 
  epidural may be the ones with bigger babies or smaller pelvises and thus be 
  more likely to need forceps or a Caesarean section anyway. In addition, even 
  if labour is prolonged, is it better to have a 9 hour labour in agony, or a 13 
  hour labour in relative comfort (as long as the baby and mother are monitored 
  and both are well)? I would suspect the latter.
  
  In conclusion I think it is 
  important to stress that no-one can predict how they will feel during labour, 
  and some labours are far more painful than others. Women who ask for pain 
  relief during labour should not be made to feel guilty or inadequate, as if 
  they have failed, but rather reassured and given the pain relief they require. 
  The attitude of '...no, you'll be fine...let's hold of for a few more hours 
  and see how you go...' is no longer appropriate unless the baby is about to 
  pop out any second.”
  
  Eck. Love their choice of wording 
  too.
  
  http://www.rwh.org.au/rwhanaes/whatis.cfm?doc_id=2392
  Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, 
  BellyBelly.com.au 
  Gentle 
  Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s and other stats for mid led units

2006-08-28 Thread Janet Fraser



Bloody brilliant! Take a bow, or a 
curtsey if you prefer!
Women's bodies work when left alone, 
hey?!
: )
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Tania 
  Smallwood 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 7:02 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] c/s and other 
  stats for mid led units
  
  
  Don’t actually have 
  them here at the moment, but out of 99 women, 0% induction and episiotomy, 6% 
  c/section, I think around 10% perineal trauma requiring suturing, 
  65%waterbirths, and that’s all I can remember off the top of my head! 
  Needless to say, Wendy and I are very proud of the living proof that 
  continuity of carer does seem to come up with the goods.. J
  
  Tania
  
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] 
  On Behalf Of Helen and 
  GrahamSent: Sunday, 27 
  August 2006 6:06 PMTo: 
  ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s and other 
  stats for mid led units
  
  
  Hi Tania
  
  
  
  Would be really interested to 
  know your stats as I anticipate they will be something to be proud ofI 
  know midwifery led care is the way to go and look forward to being able to 
  shout this from the rafters with some good ammunition
  
  
  
  Helen
  

- Original Message - 


From: Tania 
Smallwood 

To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 


Sent: Sunday, 
August 27, 2006 5:52 PM

Subject: 
[ozmidwifery] c/s and other stats for mid led 
units



Hi 
all,

Just doing a bit of my own 
research, and wondering if there are any stats yet for the newly formed 
midwifery led units such as Ryde, St George etc. I have access to the 
ones that have been issued for the Women’s and Children’s in Adelaide (MGP), 
but I suppose there is also the Canberra one 
(is that still running) and also the Perth community midwifery programme. 
Having just figured out what our personal stats for 5 years in practice 
together are, I’d like to be able to compare with these groups if the info 
is out there…anyone?

Tania

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[ozmidwifery] Ezzo alert

2006-08-28 Thread Janet Fraser



Those nasty Ezzos are moving into 
birth as well! I will hardly be able to bear to read this one after the trash of 
their others.
: (
J

http://www.gfi.org.au/resources/on%20becoming.html

Quote:

  
  
Medical research continually develops better 
  ways to manage labour and delivery for healthy outcomes. With all of the 
  choices, theories, and plethora of ideas available today, it’s a challenge 
  for expectant parents to know where to turn for wise counsel. Where will 
  you turn for help? On Becoming Birthwise has reliable answers for you. As 
  an outgrowth of a childbirth course created in 1989 by a group of 
  health-care providers knowledgeable and skilled in labour and delivery, 
  (and now with over seventy years of collective hospital and clinical 
  experience behind them), this resource is a must-read for every expectant 
  parent. Our authors explore the medical options available from high-tech 
  intervention to natural childbirth. You will grow in your understanding 
  and appreciation of the physical and emotional transitions taking place 
  during pregnancy and at each stage of labour. Similar to the other seven 
  books in our series, On Becoming Birthwise is informative, practical, and 
  easily understood. Perhaps most importantly, this book is written from the 
  hearts of moms who are also medical professionals. We are pleased to add 
  this book to our parenting series. We have read many glowing post-delivery 
  reports, we have listened to mums and dads speak with confidence and 
  satisfaction of their birthing experience, and we know this resource will 
  serve to encourage you through the miraculous process of bringing forth a 
  new 
life.

For home birth information go 
to:Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums.http://www.joyousbirth.info/Or 
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


[ozmidwifery] Joyous Birth September - in honour of NCAD

2006-08-24 Thread Janet Fraser



We've had lots of new babies in Joyous Birth lately, 
some of them in Sydney! Come join us for a celebration of Spring, new babies and 
birth!  The gathering will include lunch and 
an informal discussion with stories of birth after caesarean in honour of 
September as NCAD month. Please feel free to share your story of birthing after 
previous surgery. Mamas already planning to speak include a HBAC turned c-sec 
story and a freebirth story. Come share yours or ask any questions you may have 
about home birthing after surgery. Joyous Birth is a sensitive time 
during NCAD month so we ask that only babes in arms attend this Spring 
gathering. Thank you. When: Sunday 24 September from 11am Where: Birth 
Central - 20 Lyminge Rd, Croydon Park Bring: Lunch to 
share Stay tuned for the 
Christmas picnic info coming up in only a few short 
months!
For home birth information go 
to:Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums.http://www.joyousbirth.info/Or 
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal breech

2006-08-14 Thread Janet Fraser



They're also trying to avoid the 
dangers of managed breech birth - go figure! 
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kristin 
  Beckedahl 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 2:15 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] vaginal 
  breech
  
  
  Hi all,
  Why are breech (sometimes) routinely CS'd. What risks are they 
  actually trying to avoid for the baby?
  Kristin
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position!!!!!

2006-08-13 Thread Janet Fraser
Missed : ) Even the surgeon admitted it hahaha.
J
- Original Message - 
From: Lisa Gierke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:18 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech
position!


Janet was it missed ...or just anterior? An anterior praevia needs to be cut
through to deliver a baby at C/S...what I'm trying to say is it would have
been irrelevant that they missed it cos it needed to be cut thru' anyway!
I'd be more pissed at them for missing  it earlier in the pregnancy if she
was scanned. Lisa


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser
Sent: Friday, 11 August 2006 10:16 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech
position!


A woman I know had 3 (yes 3) u/s in LABOUR to be dx with a breech except
they missed her complete placenta praevia and sliced through it opening her
up. Another triumph of technology, clearly!
J
- Original Message - 
From: Michelle Windsor
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech
position!


I agree that there's no point in scanning at 36/40.  But it is happening (in
Qld) and the women don't seem to be given any explanation except 'just to
check the baby's ok'. And it's not just a quick scan for presentation, but
the full thing.

And scans aren't foolproof.  I remember a woman who was scanned and thought
to be having twins, the obstetric team flew in (country hospital) and also
scanned her and agreed that there were twins.  At the LUSCS a very large
almost 11 pound single baby was born!  More recently in a tertiary centre a
woman in labour at 28 weeks was thought to be having twins.  She had a LUSCS
and again a single baby.

There has recently been some research results that indicate ultrasound
scanning in mice is causing to brain tumours.  Doesn't look good..

Cheers
Michelle

Lisa Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would like to share my experience of this over the past week.( with the
permission of my client of course)

I have a client who's baby was breech until 33/34 weeks after using natural
therapies I felt that it had turned.  At 37+ weeks  she felt huge movements
then nothing for 2 days.  She went to the local hospital for a check over(It
was a Saturday and she didn't want to bother me so didn't ring until she was
there).  Baby was fine but found to be breech confirmed on scan just quickly
run over her abdomen.  After a huge discussion of all options she decided
she'd still birth at home but would like a cephalic version just to see if
that was possible.  The Tuesday morning (now 38 weeks) I made an appointment
and off we went.  When we were there she was palpated by a hospital midwife
and the obstetrician.  Confirmed breech.  When the scan was put on her
before the procedure the baby was cephalic.

When I made the appointment the obstetrician said to me, oh don't worry
anyone could miss a breech assuming that I had made a mistake.  However What
if the scanner over the weekend who couldn't tell anything but that it was
breech was mistaken (I wasn't there so don't know!!)
Or what if some babies just move around right up until the end.  Either way
there would have been no point scanning her at 36 weeks.

Lisa Barrett,
Midwife







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Re: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position!!!!!

2006-08-11 Thread Janet Fraser



"Or what if some babies just move around right up 
until the end." 
Yep too true. Someone I know online had a breech 
flip just before she pushed it out! Full dilation then a massive movement and a 
head coming down! Definitely a breech to that point : )
Of course it was a home birth...
J


Re: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position!!!!!

2006-08-11 Thread Janet Fraser



A woman I know had 3 (yes 3) u/s in 
LABOUR to be dx with a breech except they missed her complete placenta praevia 
and sliced through it opening her up. Another triumph of technology, 
clearly!
J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Michelle Windsor 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 8:02 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Use of 
  ultrasound routinely to check for breech position!
  
  I agree that there's no point in scanning at 36/40. But it is 
  happening (in Qld) and the women don't seem to be given any explanation except 
  'just to check the baby's ok'. And it's not just a quick scan for 
  presentation, but the full thing.
  
  And scans aren't foolproof. I remember a woman who was scanned and 
  thought to be having twins, the obstetric team flew in (country hospital) and 
  also scanned her and agreed that there were twins. At the LUSCS a very 
  large almost 11 pound single baby was born! More recently in a tertiary 
  centre a woman in labour at 28 weeks was thought to be having twins. She 
  had a LUSCS and again a single baby.
  
  There has recently been some research results that indicate ultrasound 
  scanning in mice iscausing to brain tumours. Doesn't look 
  good..
  
  Cheers
  MichelleLisa Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  



I would like to share my experience of this 
over the past week.( with the permission of my client of 
course)

I have a client who's baby was breech until 
33/34 weeks after using natural therapies I felt that it had turned. 
At 37+ weeks she felt huge movements then nothing for 2 days. 
She went to the local hospital for a check over(It was a Saturday and she 
didn't want to bother me so didn't ring until she was there). Baby was 
fine but found to be breech confirmed on scan just quickly run over her 
abdomen. After a huge discussion of all options she decided she'd 
still birth at home but would like a cephalic version just to see if that 
was possible. The Tuesday morning (now 38 weeks) I made an appointment 
and off we went. When we were there she was palpated by a hospital 
midwife and the obstetrician. Confirmed breech. When the scan 
was put on her before the procedure the baby was cephalic.

When I made the appointment the obstetrician 
said to me, oh don't worry anyone could miss a breech assuming that I had 
made a mistake. However What if the scanner over the weekend who 
couldn't tell anything but that it was breech was mistaken (I wasn't there 
so don't know!!)
Or what if some babies just move around right 
up until the end. Either way there would have been no point scanning 
her at 36 weeks.

Lisa Barrett,
Midwife



  
  
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Re: [ozmidwifery] griffith

2006-08-10 Thread Janet Fraser
The South East Slopes group seems to have contacts in Wagga.  And yes, women
there really want hb but there are no MWs.
J
- Original Message - 
From: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: OzMid List ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] griffith


 Dear Andrea

 So glad to hear of your support. What a huge effort. Griffith and Wagga
have
 nothing (that I know of).  There is no MC activity and despite some good
 midwives no-one willing to stand up for women :-(

 Andrea if you come across some willing women, please let us know, I would
be
 happy to support an MC group establishing of both women and midwives.

 JC

 Justine Caines
 National Policy Co-ordinator
 Maternity Coalition Inc
 PO Box 625
 SCONE NSW  2329
 Ph: (02) 65453612
 Fax: (02)65482902
 Mob: 0408 210273
 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Fertility Accupuncture Melbourne?

2006-08-06 Thread Janet Fraser



I'd be steering clear of anyone using 
the "O" word in conjunction with fertility!

I had acupuncture as part of the 
immense amount of work to conceive my son. Fairfield Holistic Health Group, just 
a few doors down from Rhea. Brilliant team there with an amazing track record of 
helping women conceive. They also work happily with clients using conventional 
meds too.

J

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kelly @ 
  BellyBelly 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 12:21 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fertility 
  Accupuncture Melbourne?
  
  
  Can someone recommend any 
  acupuncturists in Melbourne who specialize in fertility and 
  assisted conception? I have heard a few women rave about an obstetric 
  acupuncturist (is that a word?!) in the CBD but the name eludes 
  me…
  
  Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, 
  BellyBelly.com.au 
  Gentle 
  Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth 
  Support - 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth

2006-08-01 Thread Janet Fraser

this was the same as it was in 97'

Yep and still a crock
J








Kelly @ BellyBelly wrote:

 You all probably know this but it’s new to me, I hadn’t seen this
 before on the RANZCOG website in their homebirth paper:

 *College Statement*

 Title *Home births*

 Statement No. *C-Obs 2*

 Date of this document *November 2004*

 First endorsed by Council *March 1987*

 Next review due: *November 2006*

 *Statement*

 The Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Obstetricians and
 Gynaecologists is aware of

 changing attitudes in the community regarding pregnancy and its
 management and accepts the

 legitimate needs and aspirations of parents vary considerably.
 Recognising that a small number

 of women have chosen, and will continue to choose, a domiciliary
 environment in which to give

 birth to their babies, the College makes the following recommendations:

 *1. Women seeking home birth should be*

 • Informed regarding the increased risks of home birth in comparison
 to hospital birth for low

 risk women, as demonstrated by available evidence

 • Counselled regarding the significance of these risks as applied to
 their own obstetric

 condition

 *• **Urged to consider giving birth in a suitably modified hospital
 environment such as a Birthing*

 *Centre.*

 Hmph. I wonder what the update will be like in November.

 Best Regards,

 *Kelly Zantey*
 Creator, BellyBelly.com.au http://www.bellybelly.com.au/
 Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood
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Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC

2006-07-31 Thread Janet Fraser
Gail I've heard of it being sold to women as a great thing because it means
they'll be out of OT faster and in recovery with their babies. And yes, in
Australia. Of course once you go back to your surgeon and ask if you're
allowed (snort!) to attempt (more snorting!) a VBAC, you're not and hey
presto instant justification for the surgeon's more convenient path - ERC. I
believe in Europe however that single layer is common and yet their VBAC
rates are generally higher and UR not thought to be the big scary thing it
is here where misinformation is rife.
All food for thought, hey?!
J
- Original Message - 
From: Gail McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 10:07 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] VBAC


 Hi everybody,

 For those of you who were at that wonderful homebirth conference in
Geelong
 last month, you may recall Ina May warning us about women in the US whose
 uterus had been sutured in one single layer instead of two following
 caesareans and the problems this poses for future VBACs.  When I went onto
 PN ward, I told the staff about this  they laughed at me and were adamant
 that it would never happen here in Australia.  Our doctors are too well
 trained.  Guess what?  I've gone through the notes this week of caesars
done
 last week  this.  Two of the women had their uteruses sutured in a single
 layer.  Can't happen here?   Just wanted to make you aware it certainly
does
 and is.

 Regards,  Gail


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Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Hawaiian Law Now Permits Parents to Keep Placentas

2006-07-28 Thread Janet Fraser


A move to declare placentas infectious waste angered Hawaiians who use
the
placenta in religious ceremonies, highlighting the conflict between modern
medicine and traditional culture,


Oddly enough, after my recent birth I had to TF for some postnatal care to
Canterbury Birthing Unit here in Sydney and I took my recently severed and
partially eaten placenta along. First I had to fight off demands to take it
to pathology because your baby was born at home. Clearly a condition
requiring pathology ; ) Then they checked it and told me it was entire
hahahahaha - I ate lots of it, people, before I went to the hospy! THEN! I
was asked to sign a permission form with NSW Dept Health stamp on it to be
allowed to take it home and promising to not plant it in a public park,
within a metre of a fence line or any shallower than 1 metre.

I've never heard of such a thing before! Interesting article, Carolyn!
J

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