Hello, I'm a newcomer - so a quick intro: I am a Uk direct entry midwife living and working on the Sunshine Coast Queensland. Struggling to adapt to Australian mainstream midwifery. Also tired from night-shift, so I apologise for mistakes in this mail.

Regarding the 3rd degree tear stats. I would be interested to know where this research is from. As far a I know no-one has researched physiological birth and it's impact on the perineum - probably because so few women experience it.

I wonder what the perineal outcomes would be for women birthing without intervention - spontaneous pushing (no direction), various positions, hands off the baby including no traction to 'deliver' shoulders? The stats quoted by the nurse may be correct (I don't know) - but all they demonstrate is the outcome of modern 'management' of birth on perineums. Rather like the term-breech trial demonstrating that in large obstetric units it may be safer to have a c-section due to lack of skill. Not, that breech birth attended by an experienced practitioner is unsafe.

Rachel

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