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We need to find a way between the rock of medical model standard of care and the hard place of women's insistence on pain-free, rapid childbearing to meet the needs of both mother and baby. Sharon Glass Jonquil
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I think that's nonsense. This is the quote that springs to my mind when I read that: A snippet from www.midwiferytoday.com Think about It: Cesarean Section While it is symbolic that the only Barbie model that gives birth does so through her abdomen, the escalation of cesarean rates illustrates more than women's self-loathing. It takes two to do this tango. Obstetricians, "relentlessly driven to control the unpredictability of pregnancy and birth," must accept responsibility as the dispensers of cutting-edge technology. Dr. [Germaine] Greer views the rise in cesarean rates as part of the widespread cultural assault on women's bodies and more specifically, a transfer of the ritual mutilation of the vagina (through episiotomy) to the mutilation of the uterus itself. Surely, cesarean rates approaching 25 percent cannot be medically justified. As Dr. Greer points out, "Much of what is done to women in the name of health has no rationale beyond control." Insult is added to injury when women, who labour but end up birthed by cesarean, are told that their bodies (their pelvis, uterus or cervix) are to blame. The truth is that induction, analgesia, electronic fetal surveillance, an unfamiliar environment and lack of continuous labour support all interfere with the sensitive process of labour and affect the outcome. Dr. Greer reminds us that "blaming the victim for the crime is a pattern of injustice very familiar to feminists." Karen Robb, excerpted from the article "Thank You, Germaine Greer: A Midwife Comments on Greer's bestseller, The Whole Woman" Midwifery Today Issue 57 - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 5:44 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] QUOTE OF THE WEEK "We need to find a way between the rock of medical model standard of care and the hard place of women's insistence on pain-free, rapid childbearing to meet the needs of both mother and baby." Sharon Glass Jonquil
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The flowering of midwifery education is in the opening, the grace, the surrender, the beauty and the union with what is great and good, and the strength that comes with this. From Midwifery Today.
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My apologies if this is a repeat. We midwives can do little about societal influence unless we get ourselves into the media and say that birth can be normal and positive. Jenny Hall
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There is not a single report in the scientific literature that shows obstetricians to be safer than midwives for low risk or normal pregnancy and birth. So if you are among the over75 percent of all women with a normal pregnancy, the safest birth attendant for you is not a doctor but a midwife. Loved this quote from this web page http://www.mercola.com/2006/jun/17/the_midwife_a_steadily_growing_and_natural_childbirth_option.htm This is from the USA as well! Jane -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006
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Unfortunately we live in a society that is addicted to drama, and the mainstream media continue to help satisfy the addiction with their sensational stories about birth. Linda McHale and Barbara Nobel Schelling
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I have to make myself open for a woman to be open to me. Mabel Dzata
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Childbirth being one's most significant life passage, those close to us when we open to birth a baby will never be forgotten. Robin Lim
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These are the moments when a woman is only who she is. There is no pretending, and there is no running away. There is only being. Heather Hilton
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I guess the word Paternal(ism) is the one that springs to mind. Another one with a negative conotation sadly. On 4/3/06, Julie Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have found this thought provoking – And I am left wondering about the English language; we have a word for a male dominated society patriarchal, and a word for a female dominated society but I am at a loss to come up with the right word for a society in which the male and female genders are represented equally…. Perhaps the feminist society…. That's the world I'd like to live in… Warm hug Julie From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Watson Sent: Sunday, 2 April 2006 9:22 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] quote of the week So true, Mary. Women are the harshest judges of eachother. Some of the pregnancy/birth/parenting forums I read show this to be true in almost every topic. :( Jo On 02/04/2006, at 3:58 PM, Mary Murphy wrote: If I could wave my wand, our culture would be matriarchal...one of peace, of softness...where children are beloved, where women are revered and taken care of, where birth and mothering are honored and supported.— Raven Lang Midwifery Today Issue 70Wish this was true. It seems to me that women judge each other harshly. MM -- My photos online @ http://community.webshots.com/user/mike1962nz My Group online @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PSP_for_Photographers New Photo site@ Mike - http://mikelinz.dotphoto.com Lindsay - Http://likeminz.dotphoto.com Life is a sexually transmitted condition with 100% mortality and birth is as safe as it gets. Unknown -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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MM, good point, I've never seen them weigh abdo sponges or packs after C/S but we do weigh linen pads at a vag birth in hosp. Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 5:58 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] quote of the week "If I could wave my wand, our culture would be matriarchal...one of peace, of softness...where children are beloved, where women are revered and taken care of, where birth and mothering are honored and supported." Raven Lang Midwifery Today Issue 70 Wish this was true. It seems to me that women judge each other harshly. MM
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So true, Mary. Women are the harshest judges of eachother. Some of the pregnancy/birth/parenting forums I read show this to be true in almost every topic. :(JoOn 02/04/2006, at 3:58 PM, Mary Murphy wrote:"If I could wave my wand, our culture would be matriarchal...one of peace, of softness...where children are beloved, where women are revered and taken care of, where birth and mothering are honored and supported."— Raven Lang Midwifery Today Issue 70” Wish this was true. It seems to me that women judge each other harshly. MM
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I have found this thought provoking And I am left wondering about the English language; we have a word for a male dominated society patriarchal, and a word for a female dominated society but I am at a loss to come up with the right word for a society in which the male and female genders are represented equally. Perhaps the feminist society. Thats the world Id like to live in Warm hug Julie From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Jo Watson Sent: Sunday, 2 April 2006 9:22 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] quote of the week So true, Mary. Women are the harshest judges of eachother. Some of the pregnancy/birth/parenting forums I read show this to be true in almost every topic. :( Jo On 02/04/2006, at 3:58 PM, Mary Murphy wrote: If I could wave my wand, our culture would be matriarchal...one of peace, of softness...where children are beloved, where women are revered and taken care of, where birth and mothering are honored and supported. Raven Lang Midwifery Today Issue 70 Wish this was true. It seems to me that women judge each other harshly. MM
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. By strengthening women we strengthen our children and therefore our communities. Julie Brill
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Keep your hands off and keep your hands out; keep the lights dim and the talking down. Expect normalcy. Vicki Penwell
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"The deadening of the sensory awareness of the body that occurs with the administration of regional anesthesia for birth not only threatens the memory of how to birth, but the part of the heart's energy that tells us we have the capacity to give birth."Judy Luce. midwifery Today eNews. 6:11
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"The unborn baby is truly a sentient and intelligent human being who has much to go through at birth. We owe it to future generations to change birth experiences to make birth an easier transition and a gateway to a fuller life." Nick Owen -Midwifery Today
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Midwifery calls upon you to be the best you can be: the best advocate, guide, healer, counselor, mother, comrade, and confidant of the women seeking your care. Anne Frye
Re: [ozmidwifery] Quote of the Week - traumatic twin birth
Hello Geesje, When doctors start quoting the research like this, they are often talking through their hat. Since he is apparently up to date with the research, why not ask him to produce the evidence he is using as the basis for his practice? It shouldn't be up to you to find something to refute his claims, but his responsibility to provide the research he is using. Doctors will get away with making these kinds of wild claims unless we start questioning them. I was contacted recently by an obstetrician who wanted to challenge something I have written in Preparing for Birth: Mothers. He claimed that there was research that showed one of my statements was wrong and he said I should change what I have written so that I am not scaring the women. I wrote a friendly reply, asking that he give me the reference he was quoting, so I could be sure to have my information correct. I pointed out that I would gladly make changes but would only do so if I had reliable research evidence. Until then, my book would remain unchanged. I am still waiting to hear back from him! My suspicion is that he didn't think I would call his bluff, but take his word for it. How about trying this tack with this obstetrician. You could quite easily say that you want to make sure your practice is evidence based, and would welcome an update on this research that you must have missed. it would be interesting to see how he handles this! Challenging him in this way might also help you to feel a bit better about this awful outcome and perhaps make him think twice before trying it again. Best wishes, Andrea At 11:53 PM 5/03/2004, Geesje and Steve wrote: Hi, Why do obstetrcians not see this? I'm hoping someone can help me. I'm sorry if I don't make much sense but I'm very upset and full of emotions after witnessing a horrific twins birth last night. It was the worst birth I've ever seen in the 20 years that I have been in midwifery. My grandfather's vet did a gentler job with the cows! And to make it worse the obstetrician thought he had done a brilliant job! He got both twins out within 8 minutes. On questioning prior to the birth, on how long he would wait for the second twin to engage he said that he aims to get the second twin out 5-10 minutes after the first because this is what all the research advises. If you wait you're only waiting for trouble . Silly me thought he was going to wait at least one contraction to see what happened. How wrong I was.. . Now if anyone keeps up with research, it's me! But I have not read that it is advisable to act, instead of wait to see if the second twin engages, especially if they are both cephalic - like these twins were. Can anyone tell me where I can find the research that states that an epidural in a twin labour is best practice and the research that states that the second twin should be born (with of without force) as soon as possible after the first. As well as any resaerch that disputes this. Being Dutch and having worked as a homebirth midwife in Holland I have always had reservations on supporting high risk births at home but after seeing what happened last night I can fully understand why some women seek homebirths for high risk births. Geesje From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mary Murphy To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]list Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 7:51 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Quote of the Week From Midwifery Today: H. Deutsch, a psychologist active in the 1940s, knew that at the time of birth, it is not just a vagina that is opening, the woman's entire psyche is open and vulnerable. - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Here Here Andrea I love that strategy and use it as a consumer. I would be most interested to see the evidence that backs your claim Geesje I hope you will be part of the MC National Day of Action (Saturday May 8). The NSW day is to be held at Camden/Campbelltown to give Mr Latham a very clear message that the federal government need to be more active in the promotion of best practice maternity care as the states are doing a pretty lousy job, and particularly that Latham needs to walk his talk re community and personal responsibility and family and all the rest!!! Justine PS: New babe (Feb 28 9.15 am, another boy, Tobias Michael, 3.6kg and so far a gentle soul) - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Quote of the Week - traumatic twin birth Hello Geesje, When doctors start quoting the research like this, they are often talking through their hat. Since he is apparently up to date with the research, why not ask him to produce the evidence he is using as the basis for his practice? It shouldn't be up to you to find something to refute his claims, but his responsibility to provide the research he is using. Doctors will get away with making these kinds of wild claims unless we start questioning them. I was contacted recently by an obstetrician who wanted to challenge something I have written in Preparing for Birth: Mothers. He claimed that there was research that showed one of my statements was wrong and he said I should change what I have written so that I am not scaring the women. I wrote a friendly reply, asking that he give me the reference he was quoting, so I could be sure to have my information correct. I pointed out that I would gladly make changes but would only do so if I had reliable research evidence. Until then, my book would remain unchanged. I am still waiting to hear back from him! My suspicion is that he didn't think I would call his bluff, but take his word for it. How about trying this tack with this obstetrician. You could quite easily say that you want to make sure your practice is evidence based, and would welcome an update on this research that you must have missed. it would be interesting to see how he handles this! Challenging him in this way might also help you to feel a bit better about this awful outcome and perhaps make him think twice before trying it again. Best wishes, Andrea At 11:53 PM 5/03/2004, Geesje and Steve wrote: Hi, Why do obstetrcians not see this? I'm hoping someone can help me. I'm sorry if I don't make much sense but I'm very upset and full of emotions after witnessing a horrific twins birth last night. It was the worst birth I've ever seen in the 20 years that I have been in midwifery. My grandfather's vet did a gentler job with the cows! And to make it worse the obstetrician thought he had done a brilliant job! He got both twins out within 8 minutes. On questioning prior to the birth, on how long he would wait for the second twin to engage he said that he aims to get the second twin out 5-10 minutes after the first because this is what all the research advises. If you wait you're only waiting for trouble . Silly me thought he was going to wait at least one contraction to see what happened. How wrong I was.. . Now if anyone keeps up with research, it's me! But I have not read that it is advisable to act, instead of wait to see if the second twin engages, especially if they are both cephalic - like these twins were. Can anyone tell me where I can find the research that states that an epidural in a twin labour is best practice and the research that states that the second twin should be born (with of without force) as soon as possible after the first. As well as any resaerch that disputes this. Being Dutch and having worked as a homebirth midwife in Holland I have always had reservations on supporting high risk births at home but after seeing what happened last night I can fully understand why some women seek homebirths for high risk births. Geesje From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mary Murphy To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]list Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 7:51 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Quote of the Week From Midwifery Today: H. Deutsch, a psychologist active in the 1940s, knew that at the time of birth, it is not just a vagina that is opening, the woman's entire psyche is open and vulnerable. - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Congratulations to you your family Justine. I hope all went well. Best wishes, Tina H. - Original Message - From: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Quote of the Week - traumatic twin birth Here Here Andrea I love that strategy and use it as a consumer. I would be most interested to see the evidence that backs your claim Geesje I hope you will be part of the MC National Day of Action (Saturday May 8). The NSW day is to be held at Camden/Campbelltown to give Mr Latham a very clear message that the federal government need to be more active in the promotion of best practice maternity care as the states are doing a pretty lousy job, and particularly that Latham needs to walk his talk re community and personal responsibility and family and all the rest!!! Justine PS: New babe (Feb 28 9.15 am, another boy, Tobias Michael, 3.6kg and so far a gentle soul) - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Quote of the Week - traumatic twin birth Hello Geesje, When doctors start quoting the research like this, they are often talking through their hat. Since he is apparently up to date with the research, why not ask him to produce the evidence he is using as the basis for his practice? It shouldn't be up to you to find something to refute his claims, but his responsibility to provide the research he is using. Doctors will get away with making these kinds of wild claims unless we start questioning them. I was contacted recently by an obstetrician who wanted to challenge something I have written in Preparing for Birth: Mothers. He claimed that there was research that showed one of my statements was wrong and he said I should change what I have written so that I am not scaring the women. I wrote a friendly reply, asking that he give me the reference he was quoting, so I could be sure to have my information correct. I pointed out that I would gladly make changes but would only do so if I had reliable research evidence. Until then, my book would remain unchanged. I am still waiting to hear back from him! My suspicion is that he didn't think I would call his bluff, but take his word for it. How about trying this tack with this obstetrician. You could quite easily say that you want to make sure your practice is evidence based, and would welcome an update on this research that you must have missed. it would be interesting to see how he handles this! Challenging him in this way might also help you to feel a bit better about this awful outcome and perhaps make him think twice before trying it again. Best wishes, Andrea At 11:53 PM 5/03/2004, Geesje and Steve wrote: Hi, Why do obstetrcians not see this? I'm hoping someone can help me. I'm sorry if I don't make much sense but I'm very upset and full of emotions after witnessing a horrific twins birth last night. It was the worst birth I've ever seen in the 20 years that I have been in midwifery. My grandfather's vet did a gentler job with the cows! And to make it worse the obstetrician thought he had done a brilliant job! He got both twins out within 8 minutes. On questioning prior to the birth, on how long he would wait for the second twin to engage he said that he aims to get the second twin out 5-10 minutes after the first because this is what all the research advises. If you wait you're only waiting for trouble . Silly me thought he was going to wait at least one contraction to see what happened. How wrong I was.. . Now if anyone keeps up with research, it's me! But I have not read that it is advisable to act, instead of wait to see if the second twin engages, especially if they are both cephalic - like these twins were. Can anyone tell me where I can find the research that states that an epidural in a twin labour is best practice and the research that states that the second twin should be born (with of without force) as soon as possible after the first. As well as any resaerch that disputes this. Being Dutch and having worked as a homebirth midwife in Holland I have always had reservations on supporting high risk births at home but after seeing what happened last night I can fully understand why some women seek homebirths for high risk births. Geesje From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mary Murphy To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]list Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 7:51 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Quote of the Week From Midwifery Today: H. Deutsch, a psychologist active in the 1940s, knew that at the time of birth, it is not just a vagina that is opening, the woman's entire psyche is open and vulnerable. - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth
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Hi, Why do obstetrcians not see this? I'm hoping someone can help me. I'm sorry if I don't make much sense but I'm very upset and full of emotions after witnessingahorrific twins birth last night. It was the worst birth I've ever seen in the 20 years that I have been in midwifery. My grandfather's vet did a gentler job with the cows! And to make it worse the obstetrician thought he had done a brilliant job! He got both twins out within 8 minutes. On questioning prior to the birth, on how long he would wait for the second twin to engage he said that he aims to get the second twin out 5-10 minutes after the first because this is what all the research advises. "If you wait you're only waiting for trouble" . Silly me thought he was going to wait at least one contraction to see what happened. How wrong I was.. . Now if anyone keeps up with research, it's me! But I have notread that it is advisable to act, instead of wait to see if the second twin engages, especiallyif they are both cephalic - like these twins were. Can anyone tell me where I can find the research that states that an epidural in a twin labour is best practice and the research that states that the second twin should be born (with of without force) as soon as possible after the first. As well as any resaerch that disputes this. Being Dutch andhaving worked as a homebirth midwife in Holland I have always had reservations on supporting high risk births at home but after seeing what happened last night I can fully understand why some women seek homebirths for high risk births. Geesje From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 7:51 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Quote of the Week From Midwifery Today: "H. Deutsch, a psychologist active in the 1940s, knew that at the time of birth, it is not just a vagina that is opening, the woman's entire psyche is open and vulnerable."
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From Midwifery Today: "H. Deutsch, a psychologist active in the 1940s, knew that at the time of birth, it is not just a vagina that is opening, the woman's entire psyche is open and vulnerable."
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"It may be worth considering that ultimate satisfaction with the experience of giving birth may not be related to lack of pain." Sarah Buckley
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"Given the opportunity to voice their opinions about what is happening in their labor and how their baby is doing, women will often give you a very accurate account. The key is to listen to them " Jill Cohen
[ozmidwifery] Quote of the week...from midiwfery today enews
Hi all, from midwifery today enews... Quote of the Week "I don't practice medicine. I am a midwife." -Valerie Vickerman Runes -- Yours in reforming midwifery Tina Pettigrew. B Mid Student ACU Melb http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BMidStudentCollective/ " As we trust the flowers to open to new life - So we can trust birth" Harriette Hartigan. ---
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Every pregnancy, labor, and birthing experience is unlike any other. Why expect the same birth model from every woman?" Samantha Clemens
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"The current medical backlash in birth is actually the death throes of an outmoded way of thinking and behaving. Men and women, mothers and babies, midwives and doctorswe are all awakening together." Sarah Buckley
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Quote of the Week "If a woman knows too little today, knowledge is replaced with fear and her chances for a normal birth are nil." Jan Tritten
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Quote of the WeekOne of the most important questions midwives can ask [a pregnant woman] is How do you see yourself giving birth? Andrea Mietkiewicz and then assist her to achieve her goal instead of trying to sabotage her efforts.MM
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We are accustomed to thinking that we know what we know from what we have observed, but it is just as true that how we practice sets up what is observable in the first place. Barbara Katz Rothman in Midwifery Today
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"If you want to know what has gone wrong in obstetrics, read the pediatric journals."
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Thanks Mary please keep these quotes with words of wisdom coming kind regards, Robyn -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:51 AMTo: listSubject: [ozmidwifery] Quote of the week From Midwifery Today: "Whenever care decisions are based less on the needs of an individual mother and more on the needs of the practitioner, the mother loses."- Jennifer Rosenberg
