Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC after more than one c-sec in the perinatal data?

2006-09-17 Thread jesse/jayne
Brenda,

It was Janet that wrote the original message.  I jumped in when I read that
fairly shocking statement for an ob from your colleague :)  Sorry for my
sarcasm but someone like you will understand!  You're incredibly lucky to
have 2 good ob's to work with.  Maybe I better rein in my sarcasm.

I notice that with women all the time (I'm not a midwife, just have an
extreme interest in the birthing scene) - they keep going to the same old
butchers.  You can't seem to get it in their heads that pregnancy/birth does
not have to be that way.  Good on you for promoting the pro natural obs.  I
know it's one step at a time but it gets so frustrating seeing what women
accept for themselves and their babies :(  It's depressing.

Keep up the good work!

Regards

Jayne


- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:43 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC after more than one c-sec in the
perinatal data?


>
> Hi Jayne,
>
> Sorry, I thought I was emailing Janet !! You must have wondered who on
earth I was !
>
> Did I answer the question you asked ?
>
> I work with the support of 2 great OBs on the Mornington Peninsula,
neither of them are knife happy.
> They are both very pro natural (otherwise obviously as the 'homebirth
midwife' I wouldn't be collaborating with them).
> The other 2 OBs in our area are terrified of birth & section anything that
moves, I have always refused to work with their clients in my private
practice.
>
>  In the Birth Centre where I also work obviously I have to care for the
women who choose to attend the 'fear mongerers' & I am respectful & fair in
my care for them. But I can't understand why they choose them as their OBs,
even when I tell them what their caesar & induction rates are, they still go
to them because "they are so nice & charming", clearly their philosophy of
birth isn't relevent !!!
>
>  If women attend them & then request me as birth support/doula or midwife
I agree only if they will change their OB to one of the 2 who provide
women-centred, evidence based care. That way I know they will have given
themselves the best chance of having a normal birth. Most agree to change
when I explain the rationale behind my request.
>
> Sorry about the email mix up, and the spelling, night duty & it's 0430,
the brain is on auto pilot !
>
> Regards
> Brenda.
>
>
> > jesse/jayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I received the message below of yours Brenda.
> >
> > "AS 1 OB colleague states:
> >  "if we could just prevent the first CS happening she wouldn't be faced
> > with this awful dilemma now ie to VBAC or not."
> >
> > An ob really said that?!  My, my must have been one of those more
> > unusual obs!
> >
> > Jayne
> >
> >   - Original Message - 
> >   From: brendamanning
> >   To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> >   Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 3:12 PM
> >   Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC after more than one c-sec in the
> > perinatal data?
> >
> >
> >   Hi Janet,
> >On the Victorian perinatal data collection unit form which should be
> > filled out & returned by all midwives to the above unit for every birth
> > (home or otherwise) there is a section which asks:
> >   No 41:"was the last birth a CS ?
> >   No  42: Total no of previous CS?
> >
> >   Is this what you mean ?
> >
> >   I have recently been midwife at  VBAC after 3CS and a VBAC following 2
> > CS.
> >   So they are happening. Just need more of them.
> >
> >   AS 1 OB colleague states:
> >    "if we could just prevent the first CS happening she wouldn't be
> > faced with this awful dilemma now ie to VBAC or not.
> >
> >   With kind regards
> >   Brenda Manning
> >   www.themidwife.com.au
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: Janet Fraser
> > To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 1:30 PM
> > Subject: [ozmidwifery] VBAC after more than one c-sec in the
> > perinatal data?
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> > is there some way in which the perinatal data for each state records
> > vb after multiple c-secs in the hospy system? I wonder if it's too
> > statistically insignificant or is there a part of the data I haven't
> > noticed. I know they're different in each state as well. How about
> > hospy's own data? Are people recording how many c-secs women have before
> > a vb? We really need MIPPs to be recording HB

Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC after more than one c-sec in the perinatal data?

2006-09-16 Thread jesse/jayne



I received the message below of yours 
Brenda.
 

"AS 1 OB colleague states:
 "if we could just prevent the first CS 
happening she wouldn't be faced with this awful dilemma now ie to VBAC or 
not."
 
An ob really said that?!  My, my must have been one of those more 
unusual obs!
 
Jayne
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  brendamanning 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 3:12 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC after 
  more than one c-sec in the perinatal data?
  
  Hi Janet,
   On the Victorian perinatal data 
  collection unit form which should be filled out & returned 
  by all midwives to the above unit for every birth (home or 
  otherwise) there is a section which asks:
  No 41:"was the last birth a CS 
  ?
  No  42: Total no of previous 
  CS?
   
  Is this what you mean ?
   
  I have recently been midwife at  VBAC 
  after 3CS and a VBAC following 2 CS.
  So they are happening. Just need more of 
  them.
   
  AS 1 OB colleague states:
   "if we could just prevent the first 
  CS happening she wouldn't be faced with this awful dilemma now ie to VBAC 
  or not.
   
  With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Janet 
Fraser 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 1:30 
PM
    Subject: [ozmidwifery] VBAC after more 
    than one c-sec in the perinatal data?

Hi all,
is there some way in which the 
perinatal data for each state records vb after multiple c-secs in the hospy 
system? I wonder if it's too statistically insignificant or is there a part 
of the data I haven't noticed. I know they're different in each state as 
well. How about hospy's own data? Are people recording how many c-secs women 
have before a vb? We really need MIPPs to be recording HBACs so we can 
contrast that with the truly appalling national average. I've only seen 
blanket VBAC figures, not how many surgeries prior. Anyone 
know?
J
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to:Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums.http://www.joyousbirth.info/Or 
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RE: [ozmidwifery] VBAC after more than one c-sec in the perinatal data?

2006-09-15 Thread Mary Murphy








Same as the WA form.  Contact the state
Health statistics dept.  they have all the data.  MM

 









From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
[mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au]
On Behalf Of brendamanning
Sent: Saturday, 16 September 2006
1:12 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC
after more than one c-sec in the perinatal data?



 



Hi Janet,





 On the Victorian perinatal data
collection unit form which should be filled out & returned
by all midwives to the above unit for every birth (home or otherwise)
there is a section which asks:





No 41:"was the last birth a CS
?





No  42: Total no of previous CS?





 





Is this what you mean ?





 





I have recently been midwife at 
VBAC after 3CS and a VBAC following 2 CS.





So they are happening. Just need more of
them.





 





AS 1 OB
colleague states:





 "if we could just prevent the
first CS happening she wouldn't be faced with this awful dilemma now ie to
VBAC or not.





 





With kind regards
Brenda Manning 
www.themidwife.com.au







- Original Message - 





From: Janet
Fraser 





To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 





Sent: Saturday,
September 16, 2006 1:30 PM





Subject: [ozmidwifery] VBAC
after more than one c-sec in the perinatal data?





 





Hi all,





is there some
way in which the perinatal data for each state records vb after multiple c-secs
in the hospy system? I wonder if it's too statistically insignificant or is
there a part of the data I haven't noticed. I know they're different in each
state as well. How about hospy's own data? Are people recording how many c-secs
women have before a vb? We really need MIPPs to be recording HBACs so we can
contrast that with the truly appalling national average. I've only seen
blanket VBAC figures, not how many surgeries prior. Anyone know?





J





For home birth
information go to:
Joyous Birth 
Australian home birth network and forums.
http://www.joyousbirth.info/
Or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]












Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC after more than one c-sec in the perinatal data?

2006-09-15 Thread Mike & Lindsay Kennedy
Pretty simple for QLD as a women is not offered a Vbac if she has had more than 1 C/S even if she has had a successful vaginal birth between the c/s's. Don't know about the private system but they appear do more c/s and less vbac than the public system so probably less than no chance with them.
On 9/16/06, Janet Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:







Hi all,
is there some way in which the 
perinatal data for each state records vb after multiple c-secs in the hospy 
system? I wonder if it's too statistically insignificant or is there a part of 
the data I haven't noticed. I know they're different in each state as well. How 
about hospy's own data? Are people recording how many c-secs women have before a 
vb? We really need MIPPs to be recording HBACs so we can contrast that with the 
truly appalling national average. I've only seen blanket VBAC figures, not 
how many surgeries prior. Anyone know?
J
For home birth information go 
to:Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums.http://www.joyousbirth.info/Or 
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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