Re: [ozmidwifery] postnatal 5 star hotel stays

2006-09-21 Thread Jan Robinson
Women would be far better off demanding private health fund reforms
Private Health should provide real choice and start paying for best practice
i.e. 
* private midwife's fee (continuity of care only)
*housekeeper/doula service for four hours each day for one week while the new mother establishes her lactation and bonds to her baby at home

Grand United are getting close to doing this.
I can imagine that any first-time mother coming home from a few days at the Hilton will be a prime candidate for post-partum depression once the reality of being home alone with her new baby sets in.

Jan 


Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner
National Coordinator  Australian Society of Independent Midwives
8 Robin Crescent   South Hurstville   NSW   2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350
e-mail address: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au
On 21 Sep, 2006, at 21:10, jesse/jayne wrote:

My friend was really looking forward to her 5 star experience after the birth of her baby earlier this year.  She felt like she was finally getting something back after paying hefty private health insurance for many years.  She ended up with GD, being induced and emergency c-sect so didn't get to stay at the hotel "for free".  She felt very ripped off!
 
How the hell can they justify spending our private health fund premiums on something like this? 
  
Jayne
 
- Original Message -

From: Janet Fraser 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article

Women can find community though like in many forums where friendships and practical support abound, meals are cooked, children cared for and all without some unquestioning consumerism coming into play. Playgroups, ABA groups, forums, primary schools, birth groups are all good places for the kind of support desparately lacking in our lives. Maybe you could encourage meal provision among your DDCs?  Denying the sacredness of birth and women is what has led us to this silly fake idea that a 5 star hotel makes up for that lack of respect and support we are accorded in pregnancy and birth. It's like the really consumerist baby shower instead of a woman-focussed blessingway or motherway. It's really sad that we live in a world where care by complete strangers is a treat and one from which our other children are removed.
J
- Original Message -
 From: Kelly @ BellyBelly 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:18 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article


And the whole mindset of having a rest with your other kids somewhere else escapes me. Fark yucko.

>> I wouldn’t want to be away from my kids, but it’s because the problem lies far deeper than a matter of resting up at a hotel. It’s because far too many mothers do not have support, community and husbands working longer hours every week. They are desperate for a break, nurturing etc and they are not getting it. Need to work on the root cause of this not the symptoms. Big ask.

Best Regards,

Kelly Zantey
Creator,  
Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood
BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser
Sent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 6:21 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article

 

Frankly it appals me that people think it's ok for health funds to cover this crap that should be a luxury we pay for ourselves. What about some equity of health care in this country? How about health funds pay for proper midwifery not bloody hotels. I think it's nauseating. Maybe if only SICK women, as opposed to BIRTHING women, were in hospital beds we wouldn't have a perceived need for luxury frigging hotels as a back up. And the whole mindset of having a rest with your other kids somewhere else escapes me. Fark yucko.

J

- Original Message -

 From: Kelly @ BellyBelly 

To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:20 PM

Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article

 

I posted the article on my forums, here is what women think of the idea – be it what you agree with or not – this is what THEY think so maybe we can get some ideas or learn something from this: http://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=439579

Best Regards,

Kelly Zantey
Creator,  
Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood
BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy
Sent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 8:27 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article
Importance: High

 

The Caroline flint you have contacted is a politician, not the midwife.  Try putting midwife in front of the google search. It is confusing to have two high profile people with the same name.  MM

 


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Re: [ozmidwifery] postnatal 5 star hotel stays

2006-09-21 Thread jesse/jayne



My friend was really looking forward to her 5 star 
experience after the birth of her baby earlier this year.  She felt like 
she was finally getting something back after paying hefty private health 
insurance for many years.  She ended up with GD, being induced and 
emergency c-sect so didn't get to stay at the hotel "for free".  She 
felt very ripped off!
 
How the hell can they justify spending 
our private health fund premiums on something like this?  

 
Jayne
 
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Janet 
  Fraser 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:31 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news 
  article
  
  Women can find community though 
  like in many forums where friendships and practical support abound, meals are 
  cooked, children cared for and all without some unquestioning consumerism 
  coming into play. Playgroups, ABA groups, forums, primary schools, birth 
  groups are all good places for the kind of support desparately lacking in our 
  lives. Maybe you could encourage meal provision among your 
  DDCs?  Denying the sacredness of birth and women is what has led us 
  to this silly fake idea that a 5 star hotel makes up for that lack of respect 
  and support we are accorded in pregnancy and birth. It's like the really 
  consumerist baby shower instead of a woman-focussed blessingway or motherway. 
  It's really sad that we live in a world where care by complete strangers is a 
  treat and one from which our other children are removed.
  J
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Kelly @ 
BellyBelly 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:18 
PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news 
article


And the 
whole mindset of having a rest with your other kids somewhere else escapes 
me. Fark yucko.
>> I wouldn’t 
want to be away from my kids, but it’s because the problem lies far deeper 
than a matter of resting up at a hotel. It’s because far too many mothers do 
not have support, community and husbands working longer hours every week. 
They are desperate for a break, nurturing etc and they are not getting it. 
Need to work on the root cause of this not the symptoms. Big 
ask.

Best 
Regards,Kelly 
ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au 
Gentle Solutions 
From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly 
Birth Support - 
http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support




From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet FraserSent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 6:21 
PMTo: 
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news 
article
 

Frankly it 
appals me that people think it's ok for health funds to cover this crap that 
should be a luxury we pay for ourselves. What about some equity of health 
care in this country? How about health funds pay for proper midwifery not 
bloody hotels. I think it's nauseating. Maybe if only SICK women, as 
opposed to BIRTHING women, were in hospital beds we wouldn't have a 
perceived need for luxury frigging hotels as a back up. And the whole 
mindset of having a rest with your other kids somewhere else escapes me. 
Fark yucko.

J

  
  - Original 
  Message - 
  
  From: Kelly @ 
  BellyBelly 
  
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  
  Sent: 
  Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:20 PM
  
  Subject: RE: 
  [ozmidwifery] FYI news article
  
   
  I posted the 
  article on my forums, here is what women think of the idea – be it what 
  you agree with or not – this is what THEY think so maybe we can get some 
  ideas or learn something from this: http://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=439579
  
  Best 
  Regards,Kelly 
  ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au 
  Gentle Solutions 
  From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly 
  Birth Support - 
  http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 
  8:27 AMTo: 
  ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news 
  articleImportance: 
  High
   
  The Caroline 
  flint you have contacted is a politician, not the midwife.  Try 
  putting midwife in front of the google search. It is confusing to have two 
  high profile people with the same name.  
  MM
   
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vedrana 
  ValcicSent: Wednesday, 
  20 September 2006 6:11 PMTo: 
  ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news 
  article
   
  Where can I find 
  out