Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC after more than one c-sec in the perinatal data?
Brenda, It was Janet that wrote the original message. I jumped in when I read that fairly shocking statement for an ob from your colleague :) Sorry for my sarcasm but someone like you will understand! You're incredibly lucky to have 2 good ob's to work with. Maybe I better rein in my sarcasm. I notice that with women all the time (I'm not a midwife, just have an extreme interest in the birthing scene) - they keep going to the same old butchers. You can't seem to get it in their heads that pregnancy/birth does not have to be that way. Good on you for promoting the pro natural obs. I know it's one step at a time but it gets so frustrating seeing what women accept for themselves and their babies :( It's depressing. Keep up the good work! Regards Jayne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:43 AM Subject: Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC after more than one c-sec in the perinatal data? Hi Jayne, Sorry, I thought I was emailing Janet !! You must have wondered who on earth I was ! Did I answer the question you asked ? I work with the support of 2 great OBs on the Mornington Peninsula, neither of them are knife happy. They are both very pro natural (otherwise obviously as the 'homebirth midwife' I wouldn't be collaborating with them). The other 2 OBs in our area are terrified of birth section anything that moves, I have always refused to work with their clients in my private practice. In the Birth Centre where I also work obviously I have to care for the women who choose to attend the 'fear mongerers' I am respectful fair in my care for them. But I can't understand why they choose them as their OBs, even when I tell them what their caesar induction rates are, they still go to them because they are so nice charming, clearly their philosophy of birth isn't relevent !!! If women attend them then request me as birth support/doula or midwife I agree only if they will change their OB to one of the 2 who provide women-centred, evidence based care. That way I know they will have given themselves the best chance of having a normal birth. Most agree to change when I explain the rationale behind my request. Sorry about the email mix up, and the spelling, night duty it's 0430, the brain is on auto pilot ! Regards Brenda. jesse/jayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I received the message below of yours Brenda. AS 1 OB colleague states: if we could just prevent the first CS happening she wouldn't be faced with this awful dilemma now ie to VBAC or not. An ob really said that?! My, my must have been one of those more unusual obs! Jayne - Original Message - From: brendamanning To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC after more than one c-sec in the perinatal data? Hi Janet, On the Victorian perinatal data collection unit form which should be filled out returned by all midwives to the above unit for every birth (home or otherwise) there is a section which asks: No 41:was the last birth a CS ? No 42: Total no of previous CS? Is this what you mean ? I have recently been midwife at VBAC after 3CS and a VBAC following 2 CS. So they are happening. Just need more of them. AS 1 OB colleague states: if we could just prevent the first CS happening she wouldn't be faced with this awful dilemma now ie to VBAC or not. With kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 1:30 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] VBAC after more than one c-sec in the perinatal data? Hi all, is there some way in which the perinatal data for each state records vb after multiple c-secs in the hospy system? I wonder if it's too statistically insignificant or is there a part of the data I haven't noticed. I know they're different in each state as well. How about hospy's own data? Are people recording how many c-secs women have before a vb? We really need MIPPs to be recording HBACs so we can contrast that with the truly appalling national average. I've only seen blanket VBAC figures, not how many surgeries prior. Anyone know? J For home birth information go to: Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums. http://www.joyousbirth.info/ Or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC after more than one c-sec in the perinatal data?
I received the message below of yours Brenda. "AS 1 OB colleague states: "if we could just prevent the first CS happeningshe wouldn't be faced with this awful dilemma now ie to VBAC or not." An ob really said that?! My, my must have been one of those more unusual obs! Jayne - Original Message - From: brendamanning To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC after more than one c-sec in the perinatal data? Hi Janet, On the Victorian perinatal data collection unitform whichshould befilled out returned by all midwives tothe above unitfor every birth (home or otherwise) there is a section which asks: No41:"was the last birth a CS ? No 42: Total no of previous CS? Is this what you mean ? I have recently been midwife at VBAC after 3CS and a VBAC following 2 CS. So they are happening. Just need more of them. AS 1 OB colleague states: "if we could just prevent the first CS happeningshe wouldn't be faced with this awful dilemma now ie to VBAC or not. With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 1:30 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] VBAC after more than one c-sec in the perinatal data? Hi all, is there some way in which the perinatal data for each state records vb after multiple c-secs in the hospy system? I wonder if it's too statistically insignificant or is there a part of the data I haven't noticed. I know they're different in each state as well. How about hospy's own data? Are people recording how many c-secs women have before a vb? We really need MIPPs to be recording HBACs so we can contrast that with the truly appalling national average. I've only seen blanketVBAC figures, not how many surgeries prior. Anyone know? J For home birth information go to:Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums.http://www.joyousbirth.info/Or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC after more than one c-sec in the perinatal data?
Pretty simple for QLD as a women is not offered a Vbac if she has had more than 1 C/S even if she has had a successful vaginal birth between the c/s's. Don't know about the private system but they appear do more c/s and less vbac than the public system so probably less than no chance with them. On 9/16/06, Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, is there some way in which the perinatal data for each state records vb after multiple c-secs in the hospy system? I wonder if it's too statistically insignificant or is there a part of the data I haven't noticed. I know they're different in each state as well. How about hospy's own data? Are people recording how many c-secs women have before a vb? We really need MIPPs to be recording HBACs so we can contrast that with the truly appalling national average. I've only seen blanketVBAC figures, not how many surgeries prior. Anyone know? J For home birth information go to:Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums.http://www.joyousbirth.info/Or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- My photos online @ http://community.webshots.com/user/mike1962nzMy Group online @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PSP_for_PhotographersNew Photo site@Mike - http://mikelinz.dotphoto.comLindsay - Http://likeminz.dotphoto.com Life is a sexually transmitted condition with 100% mortality and birth is as safe as it gets. Unknown
RE: [ozmidwifery] VBAC after more than one c-sec in the perinatal data?
Same as the WA form. Contact the state Health statistics dept. they have all the data. MM From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of brendamanning Sent: Saturday, 16 September 2006 1:12 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC after more than one c-sec in the perinatal data? Hi Janet, On the Victorian perinatal data collection unitform whichshould befilled out returned by all midwives tothe above unitfor every birth (home or otherwise) there is a section which asks: No41:was the last birth a CS ? No 42: Total no of previous CS? Is this what you mean ? I have recently been midwife at VBAC after 3CS and a VBAC following 2 CS. So they are happening. Just need more of them. AS 1 OB colleague states: if we could just prevent the first CS happeningshe wouldn't be faced with this awful dilemma now ie to VBAC or not. With kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 1:30 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] VBAC after more than one c-sec in the perinatal data? Hi all, is there some way in which the perinatal data for each state records vb after multiple c-secs in the hospy system? I wonder if it's too statistically insignificant or is there a part of the data I haven't noticed. I know they're different in each state as well. How about hospy's own data? Are people recording how many c-secs women have before a vb? We really need MIPPs to be recording HBACs so we can contrast that with the truly appalling national average. I've only seen blanketVBAC figures, not how many surgeries prior. Anyone know? J For home birth information go to: Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums. http://www.joyousbirth.info/ Or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
