Re: [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !
Hi All, Since around mid-march or so I've spent time trying to refining the ideas from my Distributed Economy blog ( http://www.adistributedeconomy.blogspot.com/) into a proposal. I kind of felt like I was teaching myself all of computer science. Even though I felt I was learning quite a bit, it came at a considerable cost to myself. It is hard to think in a peer-to-peer fashion while questioning the fabric of academia and industry. I felt that I did not fit in anywhere and was unsure build a business model around it. Physically, it seemed that way too. I also became very cynical. I grew isolated, but thought I needed time for self-study so what I was writing was credible, competitive and lucid enough that I could put faith in it to be confident with others. Still, it's scope was huge, enough to be not taken seriously by itself I guess. I felt I basically was trying to change the operating system of the planet, and everything else was built on top of that (businesses, academia, etc...). Was the value network the business model? That, and maybe support? Do I just try to start something like Linux and hope for the best? That's the sort of scale I was envisioning. Fortunately, the web efforts have done a lot of the groundwork. It's more of a use then. It's hard to say I did much beyond understanding and some aggregation of connections that others might not have seen. People tell you to hold on to some things in private, while at the same time you want to integrate with the rest of the community. Maybe what I have is significant, maybe it is not. It would be great to share it. I believe enough in it to think it could help people. I'm almost done with what seems to resemble a 20 page outline. I do not want to fragment the community (or be fragmented from it), but at the same time I need some sustainable way to survive. Paradoxically, it seems it needs the support and the efforts and the ideas of the community to succeed. Are there any solutions? I'm sorry if I come off as arrogant in any way. -Brent On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson dante.mon...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Eric Yes, I'd be glad to follow up on the thinking and research you are doing around metacurrency, and participate in the scheduled hang out. further note : an interesting reply by June on this thread, also available on the public p2pf list archive http://www.mail-archive.com/p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org/ - [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !http://www.mail-archive.com/p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org/msg01085.html Dante-Gabryell Monson - Re: [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !http://www.mail-archive.com/p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org/msg01087.html June Gorman - Re: [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !http://www.mail-archive.com/p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org/msg01088.html Dante-Gabryell Monson On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Eric Harris-Braun e...@harris-braun.comwrote: Hi All, It turns out that where the technical side of the MetaCurrency Project has led us has lots to do with Semantic Data or rather, from our point of view, Semantic Computing. Ceptr, the computing stack we are designing to build our tools out of, pushes Semantics down into the lowest levels of the stack, in a way that we haven't seen with the approaches inherent embodied in RDF/URI. For folks interested in our approach, I'm scheduling a tech hang-out in the next week or two. If you want to be notified of it please drop me a line. -Eric On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson dante.mon...@gmail.com wrote: *pre-note : I try to understand if we can , possibly collectively, * *write an article that could be published on the p2pfoundation blog,* *as to better explain, in words and with images / graphics , * *some of the potentials of building on, for example, Linked Data - and/or similar technologies enabling us to more easily redefine our realities collectively -* *If anyone wrote on these topics, or is interested in combining our efforts and research in writing about these topics, or if some can help in making such article in a enjoyable reading moment ( combining it with nice imagery and stories ? Like some science fiction authors manage to do - yet talking about the present ? ) it would be great. I mean, not only about one specific application or project, but about the potential to work together on various applications based on common protocols. * *Some call it a Global Brain , or a Web Operating System , ... * *Below is what I want to say to open up the topics for now ... I am open to brainstorm further, and progressively collectively organize an easier
Re: [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !
Hi Brent, there is some convergence happening via http://bwcd.vdcn.org/doku.php * Let's get some cool people together and live in a tribe / family / team / intentional community. Experiment with better ways to live, and make the world a cooler place. We'll work together to survive and look after each other. * Email : http://bwcd.vdcn.org/doku.php/email_list /// Further approaches can be discussed there ? On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Michel Bauwens mic...@p2pfoundation.netwrote: hi Brent, I have aggregated the wide variety of open business models at http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Business_Models not only are there solutions, but there are plenty of solutions, the key question is of course finding the one that fits with your particular project ... but the general scheme, building a community around a commons, and create a market entity around it (such as a coop), works well Michel On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Brent Shambaugh brent.shamba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Since around mid-march or so I've spent time trying to refining the ideas from my Distributed Economy blog ( http://www.adistributedeconomy.blogspot.com/) into a proposal. I kind of felt like I was teaching myself all of computer science. Even though I felt I was learning quite a bit, it came at a considerable cost to myself. It is hard to think in a peer-to-peer fashion while questioning the fabric of academia and industry. I felt that I did not fit in anywhere and was unsure build a business model around it. Physically, it seemed that way too. I also became very cynical. I grew isolated, but thought I needed time for self-study so what I was writing was credible, competitive and lucid enough that I could put faith in it to be confident with others. Still, it's scope was huge, enough to be not taken seriously by itself I guess. I felt I basically was trying to change the operating system of the planet, and everything else was built on top of that (businesses, academia, etc...). Was the value network the business model? That, and maybe support? Do I just try to start something like Linux and hope for the best? That's the sort of scale I was envisioning. Fortunately, the web efforts have done a lot of the groundwork. It's more of a use then. It's hard to say I did much beyond understanding and some aggregation of connections that others might not have seen. People tell you to hold on to some things in private, while at the same time you want to integrate with the rest of the community. Maybe what I have is significant, maybe it is not. It would be great to share it. I believe enough in it to think it could help people. I'm almost done with what seems to resemble a 20 page outline. I do not want to fragment the community (or be fragmented from it), but at the same time I need some sustainable way to survive. Paradoxically, it seems it needs the support and the efforts and the ideas of the community to succeed. Are there any solutions? I'm sorry if I come off as arrogant in any way. -Brent On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson dante.mon...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Eric Yes, I'd be glad to follow up on the thinking and research you are doing around metacurrency, and participate in the scheduled hang out. further note : an interesting reply by June on this thread, also available on the public p2pf list archive http://www.mail-archive.com/p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org/ - [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !http://www.mail-archive.com/p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org/msg01085.html Dante-Gabryell Monson - Re: [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !http://www.mail-archive.com/p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org/msg01087.html June Gorman - Re: [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !http://www.mail-archive.com/p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org/msg01088.html Dante-Gabryell Monson On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Eric Harris-Braun e...@harris-braun.com wrote: Hi All, It turns out that where the technical side of the MetaCurrency Project has led us has lots to do with Semantic Data or rather, from our point of view, Semantic Computing. Ceptr, the computing stack we are designing to build our tools out of, pushes Semantics down into the lowest levels of the stack, in a way that we haven't seen with the approaches inherent embodied in RDF/URI. For folks interested in our approach, I'm scheduling a tech hang-out in the next week or two. If you want to be notified of it please drop me a line. -Eric On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson dante.mon...@gmail.com wrote: *pre-note : I try to understand if we can , possibly
Re: [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !
Thanks Eric Yes, I'd be glad to follow up on the thinking and research you are doing around metacurrency, and participate in the scheduled hang out. further note : an interesting reply by June on this thread, also available on the public p2pf list archive http://www.mail-archive.com/p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org/ - [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !http://www.mail-archive.com/p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org/msg01085.html Dante-Gabryell Monson - Re: [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !http://www.mail-archive.com/p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org/msg01087.html June Gorman - Re: [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !http://www.mail-archive.com/p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org/msg01088.html Dante-Gabryell Monson On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Eric Harris-Braun e...@harris-braun.comwrote: Hi All, It turns out that where the technical side of the MetaCurrency Project has led us has lots to do with Semantic Data or rather, from our point of view, Semantic Computing. Ceptr, the computing stack we are designing to build our tools out of, pushes Semantics down into the lowest levels of the stack, in a way that we haven't seen with the approaches inherent embodied in RDF/URI. For folks interested in our approach, I'm scheduling a tech hang-out in the next week or two. If you want to be notified of it please drop me a line. -Eric On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson dante.mon...@gmail.com wrote: *pre-note : I try to understand if we can , possibly collectively, * *write an article that could be published on the p2pfoundation blog,* *as to better explain, in words and with images / graphics , * *some of the potentials of building on, for example, Linked Data - and/or similar technologies enabling us to more easily redefine our realities collectively -* *If anyone wrote on these topics, or is interested in combining our efforts and research in writing about these topics, or if some can help in making such article in a enjoyable reading moment ( combining it with nice imagery and stories ? Like some science fiction authors manage to do - yet talking about the present ? ) it would be great. I mean, not only about one specific application or project, but about the potential to work together on various applications based on common protocols. * *Some call it a Global Brain , or a Web Operating System , ... * *Below is what I want to say to open up the topics for now ... I am open to brainstorm further, and progressively collectively organize an easier to understand blog post, or series of blog posts, on such topics.* Thanks Bob, Thanks Helene, for your replies. I sent this message initially motivated by the realization, after an email exchange with Michel. Michel pointed that in his view there seemed to be little interest regarding Linked Data / Semantic Web approaches on p2pf related forums. So I wondered if this was really the case, and if so, what could be the reason, and how could it be better communicated. Possibly showing how different projects may have an interest in using such technologies in their research and development of applications, showing overlap of different applications that want to embody such technologies, and overlap and re-use of the data generated by each of these applications to enable yet new applications. For example, Bob in collaboration with Sensorica for Open Value Network tools... Although the technologies can be re-used and adapted for a variety of applications, hence Netention ( mostly Seth coding for now ) researching approaches, and inviting others into such research and development, which hopefully can be re-used for Open Value Networks, or for alternative forms of learning building on available information on our wiki's , etc Other projects, such as metamaps, are also interested ( or already including ) such approaches ... Pavlik was already talking about FOAF ( one aspect / approach using Linked Data concepts ) many years ago. I now notice Pavlik is regaining interest, including in Schema and Json , ... midst others, in support of Sharing Economy applications ? /// But in a larger sense, I feel it is about contributing to the development of remedies regarding Anoptism ( which Olivier talks about , http://p2pfoundation.net/Anoptism , while facilitating at first Holoptism ) In the understanding which I developed by interacting with Seth and others via lists such as Global Survival Listhttps://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/global-survival , such Web 3.0 approaches get us closer to the concept of Noosphere http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noosphere Or should I
Re: [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !
From: Dante-Gabryell Monson dante.mon...@gmail.com To: p2p-foundation p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org Sent: Sunday, December 8, 2013 9:50 PM Subject: [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks ! What would be your answer ? ( reply on this list or in private to me ) A ) Interested in ( getting to know more about ) its potentials B ) Not interested and 1 ) Never heard of Linked Data 2 ) Know about it 3 ) Actively researching Linked Data applications ( in support of p2p 4 commons ? ) ( or whatever other replies you wish to give ) // Context of my question : Michel noted that in his view Linked Data has not been a topic with much interest on the p2pf related forums. I wish to understand if this is simply because not many of us know about Linked Data, and its potentials ? Or is it simply because it seemed too complex or technical to bring it up on this specific list ? I know some of us are working on Linked Data applications, including in support of Sharing Economy applications. I personally have been interested in some of its applications for a few years, without being a programmer. I collaborated with a programmer over the last years, to explore some of the approaches that can be taken to create certain applications. /// The first aim I have with this email is to have some kind of quick , hopefully sufficiently representative set of replies. It does not have to be on the public list - you can also reply to me in private if you like. From there on, I wish to open up another thread to further explain what Linked Data can be used for with those of us who may have explored the topic and may see potential in supporting such research as to manifest them into certain applications, in support of , for example, p2p commons oriented political economies. Cordially, Dante ___ P2P Foundation - Mailing list http://www.p2pfoundation.net https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation___ P2P Foundation - Mailing list http://www.p2pfoundation.net https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation
Re: [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !
Principle: TEF Principle 11: Use of Technology for Greater Connection not Alienation Transformative education should utilize technology in a manner that does not impede but enhances the education of children and enables Transformative Education, that cannot be delivered in any other manner. This is reiterated in the TEF Principles by the questions and concerns TEF raises about the dominating STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering and Math) education focus so heavily promoted in the US over the last couple of decades, and now being exported globally by the US corporate-education sector, the World Bank and the Brookings Institute. Short answer then: I am interested about learning more about linked-date myself, again can see its possibilities. But not overother far more needed understanding or as a time/money/resource preference of connectivity, skilled communication and necessary linking in human to human relationships themselves. I have found these are the far more important issues to understand and resolve, especially in education. As I have seen it's lack all over, as a primary negative effect of not having these skill sets of connectivity and communication understood and developed first. Hope that answers your question, even if somewhat ambiguously? :-) Best, June *June Gorman, Educator and Educational Theorist* Co-founder*, **Transformative Education Forum http://209.172.54.115/ (website in transition) * Education Advisor, *UN SafePlanet Campaign* http://www.safepla.net/ *Board Project Director for Outreach**, I**nternational Model United Nations Association* http://imuna.org/ *Steering Committee**, (UNESCO/Global Compact) **K-12 Sector for Sustainability Education *http://www.uspartnership.org/main/view_archive/1 Member, UN Education Caucus for Sustainable Development Member, UN Commons Cluster -- *From:* Dante-Gabryell Monson dante.mon...@gmail.com *To:* p2p-foundation p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org *Sent:* Sunday, December 8, 2013 9:50 PM *Subject:* [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks ! What would be your answer ? ( reply on this list or in private to me ) *A ) Interested in ( getting to know more about ) its potentials* *B ) Not interested* and *1 ) Never heard of Linked Data http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linked_data* *2 ) Know about it* *3 ) Actively researching Linked Data http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linked_data applications ( in support of p2p 4 commons ? )* ( or whatever other replies you wish to give ) // Context of my question : Michel noted that in his view Linked Data has not been a topic with much interest on the p2pf related forums. I wish to understand if this is simply because not many of us know about Linked Data, and its potentials ? Or is it simply because it seemed too complex or technical to bring it up on this specific list ? I know some of us are working on Linked Data applications, including in support of Sharing Economy applications. I personally have been interested in some of its applications for a few years, without being a programmer. I collaborated with a programmer over the last years, to explore some of the approaches that can be taken to create certain applications. /// The first aim I have with this email is to have some kind of quick , hopefully sufficiently representative set of replies. It does not have to be on the public list - you can also reply to me in private if you like. From there on, I wish to open up another thread to further explain what Linked Data can be used for with those of us who may have explored the topic and may see potential in supporting such research as to manifest them into certain applications, in support of , for example, p2p commons oriented political economies. Cordially, Dante ___ P2P Foundation - Mailing list http://www.p2pfoundation.net https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation ___ P2P Foundation - Mailing list http://www.p2pfoundation.net https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation
