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I will let the task to sort out what works and does not with this particular
implementation on the gstreamer side, as only gstreamer will consume this
library within Fedora as I expect.
For
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> (In reply to Wim Taymans from comment #95)
> ...
> > Can you re-approve the bug again?
> Once again. I would not approve
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...
> Can you re-approve the bug again?
Once again. I would not approve this unless the package is named fdk-aac-free
to denote the incompleteness
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> (In reply to Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski from comment #93)
> > Done, sorry for the delay.
>
> Wim, are you going to request the repo again?
Can you
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> Done, sorry for the delay.
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Done, sorry for the delay.
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Request for new repo is denied:
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--- Comment #91 from Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller
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> The thing is, this kind of transitory approval:
>
> (quoting Tom "spot" Callaway from comment #75)
> > If the FSF
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> $ fedpkg --module-name fdk-aac request-repo 1501522
> Could not execute request_repo: The Bugzilla bug's review was approved over
> 60
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It has nothing to do with RHEL... the goal is to get AAC support into Fedora so
that GStreamer can play MP4 videos. The other half of the effort will be
enhancing OpenH264 to
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--- Comment #88 from Kevin Kofler ---
The thing is, this kind of transitory approval:
(quoting Tom "spot" Callaway from comment #75)
> If the FSF provides clarity, I will add it to this ticket. Obviously, if
> they
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We can't block indefinitely on the FSF. Since they can't provide us with a
timeline in which we can expect an answer, it's time to proceed.
It's also not appropriate to ask
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What I would like to see is
1. an answer from the FSF, and then, depending on the answer:
2. a. if the FSF considers the license non-free, this review request dropped,
OR
2. b. if
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> Put it simply it's RF who is the second class citizen here, not the other
> way around. So it's a RF maintainer's duty
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> What now?
The reviewer can probably un-set and re-set the review + flag
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$ fedpkg --module-name fdk-aac request-repo 1501522
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> (In reply to Nicolas Chauvet (kwizart) from comment #77)
> > (In reply to Itamar Reis Peixoto from comment #76)
> > > let's
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> let's move on, please request the repo using ->
>
> $ fedpkg --module-name fdk-aac request-repo 1501522
Please don't. I put
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> (In reply to Itamar Reis Peixoto from comment #76)
> > let's move on, please request the repo using ->
> >
> >
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(In reply to Itamar Reis Peixoto from comment #76)
> let's move on, please request the repo using ->
>
> $ fedpkg --module-name fdk-aac request-repo 1501522
Would you
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> You are not changing anything to the copyright if the patent is expunged
> from the library. So, the library still has
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> It was re-added in comment #54, but I see no actual legal questions there:
> only > technical objections.
Comment #52 is a legal question. It is definitely not technical.
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Just for been clear. The original problem with fdk-aac was never about patent
(at least on the 3rd party level). It's all about copyright.
You are not changing anything to
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--- Comment #70 from Kevin Fenzi ---
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> > Both Legal and FESCo have approved this; can we please move this forward?
>
> Again, we still do not have the answer from the FSF promised
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> Both Legal and FESCo have approved this; can we please move this forward?
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> Both Legal and FESCo have approved this; can we please move this forward?
The submittor just needs to use fedpkg request-repo (see fedpkg
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Both Legal and FESCo have approved this; can we please move this forward?
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My point is that we should wait for what they actually say instead of assuming
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--- Comment #65 from Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski ---
(In reply to Kevin Kofler from comment #61)
[...]
> The problem is that the third-party repository was previously shipping a
> different codec, the built-in one
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> The problem is that GStreamer will end up using fdk-aac (through some plugin
> that Fedora is going to ship) instead of FFmpeg
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The problem is that GStreamer will end up using fdk-aac (through some plugin
that Fedora is going to ship) instead of FFmpeg (through gstreamer1-libav).
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> (In reply to David Vásquez from comment #59)
> > If fdk-aac was approved, then welcome (I will give positive karma here). The
> >
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> If fdk-aac was approved, then welcome (I will give positive karma here). The
> world is changing, and we must adapt. The user must
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--- Comment #60 from Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski ---
(In reply to Kevin Kofler from comment #57)
> We still don't know the outcome of comment #52 (license review by the FSF).
That's irrelevant. RH legal already
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If fdk-aac was approved, then welcome (I will give positive karma here). The
world is changing, and we must adapt. The user must choose; then we need give
the user the options.
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> I also assume Wim will co-maintain the corresponding RPMFusion package or at
> least coordinate with its
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We still don't know the outcome of comment #52 (license review by the FSF).
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FE-Legal has already approved this package. Do you have a specific question for
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--- Comment #53 from Yaakov Selkowitz ---
(In reply to Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski from comment #51)
> Well, even if I reject this, you could always find another reviewer, so
> let's have FESCo decide:
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I have submitted this license for review to the FSF. I think it is extremely
unlikely that their opinion will differ from that of Red Hat Legal, but I have
no problem being
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I think the current situation, where we have only a working AAC codec with a
complete decoder and whose freeness is undisputed (the FFmpeg one) in RPM
Fusion, is just fine, and
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--- Comment #48 from Richard Fontana ---
(In reply to Kevin Kofler from comment #16)
> According to a link:
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=694257#20
> on that wiki page, Debian thinks that the
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Anyway, if anyone wants any further legal review or discussion about the finer
details of the license here I suggest emailing Tom Callaway and not do it here
on
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See also https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Foundations#Freedom .
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--- Comment #44 from Kevin Kofler ---
Even the introduction on:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Project_Wiki
says:
> They are developed in Fedora and produced under a free and open source license
> from
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> It is a Fedora policy that licenses allowed in Fedora must be free according
> to the FSF.
>
>
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Oh, and for the technical issues:
(In reply to Wim Taymans from comment #34)
> Comment #11: why not have fdk-aac-stripped?
> - Looking at freetype, and because the library is
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See also https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing:FAQ#Freedom
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--- Comment #40 from Kevin Kofler ---
It is a Fedora policy that licenses allowed in Fedora must be free according to
the FSF.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing:Main also says:
> This list is based on the
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Fedora Legal aka Red Hat legal has reviewed this license and is fine with it as
a free license. What the FSF or some random people at Debian thinks is of very
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If the FSF agrees with Debian the license is non-free, then this code is not
allowed in Fedora at all, neither as a package nor bundled anywhere else.
If the FSF says the license
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If Fedora considers the copyright license free, RPM Fusion probably should,
too.
Please note, however, that Debian thinks that the license is non-free (see
comment #16) and that
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> The fdk-aac-freeworld name isn't acceptable as the package is considered
> nonfree,
> the name should be fdk-aac-nonfree
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> What I propose is this:
>
> - Have fdk-aac be the default stipped version of the aac codec that we
> include
> in Fedora. The
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After some more thinking I think we need to try to achieve:
1) Be practical about what we can support and allow for tradeoffs between
desired and allowed functionality.
2) Keep
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I was thinking that we don't fork the GStreamer plugin but let it decide what
caps to advertise and support based on the fdk-aac implementation (we could ask
it to parse a config
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From the GStremer point of view, doing what Christian wants is easy, the steps
that need to happen are:
1. Import aacparse to recognize the HE-AAC profiles that the cut down
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Out there in the real world, no serious user uses Fedora without the codecs
from RPM Fusion. (Well, maybe some do now that at least MP3 can be shipped in
Fedora, but still.) It is
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What is in Fedora is what we ship in Fedora repositories or at the very least
allowed to include as a 3rd party repository, what might exist in other
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Christian, supporting HE-AAC encoding is the raison d'être of fdk-aac.
Otherwise FFmpeg's aac codec is good enough for all other use cases. We already
have
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Maybe we can just give it a different soname and then have the GStreamer plugin
register under a different name "fdk-aac-mini" that will only claim to accept
the profiles that
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> So, I am actually rejecting this review request on the grounds that it
> doesn't work as advertised
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Reference HE-AAC file decoded with FFmpeg's aac decoder
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--- Comment #22 from Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski ---
Ok, I tested ffmpeg-3.3.4 compiled against this stripped library and I don't
think it's a good idea to have this in Fedora at all. Playback of the reference
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> There would need to be an update to the fdk-aac in rpmfusion to replace this
> -free package instead of causing a conflict.
Whoever is going to take care of it should take a
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> I'm thinking of naming the package fdk-aac-free. There would need to be an
> update to the fdk-aac in rpmfusion to replace this
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--- Comment #17 from Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski ---
FWIW abipkgdiff claims fdk-aac and fdk-aac-stripped are binary-compatible.
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--- Comment #16 from Kevin Kofler ---
According to a link:
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on that wiki page, Debian thinks that the following clause is non-free and
GPL-incompatible:
> You
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After some reading (wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Fraunhofer_FDK_AAC) and
closer look at the diff between this and original source, I'm afraid important
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> Or just epoch the stripped package.
I assume you mean the unstripped one? But replacing Fedora packages that way is
against RPM Fusion policy, the user must opt in to every
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(In reply to Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski from comment #12)
> (In reply to David Vásquez from comment #9)
> > fdk-aac in official is great! but if the stripped version
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(In reply to David Vásquez from comment #9)
> fdk-aac in official is great! but if the stripped version disable important
> functionalities then a
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> Looks like we need an fdk-aac-freeworld.
In fact why do we?
I believe the fedora fdk-aac package should be renamed to
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> Looks like we need an fdk-aac-freeworld.
Or just epoch the stripped package.
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Looks like we need an fdk-aac-freeworld.
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