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Izwe Lethu Cdes. I think just to reinforce your points Cde Siya what will assist the process faster is the following; 1.The NEC as elected in Butterworth must reconstitute either on their own or under a very matured mediation team. 2. Then the comrades must then agree without fail that the NEC they belong to did not make it and as such they must forge a way forward or set up a process to hand over the party to the members. 3. This will include the collapsing or ending of all court cases. 4. They must organise a PAC conference not a convention just to avoid a gathering with no constitutional status and then members can propose for an earlier elective congress knowing that there is no longer an NEC left.. 5. To address Cde. Fihla's concerns on the how part it is our duty to tell those whom we identify with closely as elected in Butterworth to assist the process as we see it. 6. It is unavoidable that the reports of the President and the Secretary General are likely to raise party problems and challenges like discipline, parallels, lack of programmes and whatever will be presented must be accepted except for aspects which maybe divisive. 7. Then we can establish a congress preparatory committee that will deal with all administrative matters needed for a successful congress. Lastly my view is that when we finalise find a consensus beyond these pity issues then we must try hard to encourage a constructive engagement on future leadership and if we lucky there must a consensus on at least key important positions that requires a highly matured future leadership. Izwe Lethu On Thursday, September 4, 2014 5:32 PM, sndam...@pac-cape.org.za sndam...@pac-cape.org.za wrote: Comrades, Let us organize our branches and they must identify positively with the possible corrective measures to save the PAC. In each Region/ Province there must be people who will take the responsibility to ensure this work is done. At the National level there must be an all-inclusive meeting of leaders from all provinces to engage on best possible roadmap to save the organization. Having agreed on the Roadmap, then a All-inclusive Pan Africanist Conference/Convention, then Annual National Conference of PAC (focus on Policies, Program of Action, etc), then an electing PAC Annual National Conference (Congress). . .this can be rollout over the period of 12 - 18 months. * all-inclusive meeting of leaders from all provinces - Sept 2014 * All-inclusive Pan Africanist Conference/Convention - Dec 2014 * Annual National Conference of PAC (Policies, Program of Action, etc) - June 2015 * electing PAC Annual National Conference (Congress) - Dec 2015 This can only work if we can be practical . . . iAfrika From: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com M’Afrika Comrade Linda, Comrade and Comrade Charge-in and all, from words to action, are comrades willing to mobilise fellow comrades-branches and form part of an open and inclusive meeting to consider all options including those proposed by Cde Linda? We must bring into one pot all initiatives to create one common action plan to salvage the PAC! The disintegration of PAC must be arrested! Shango lashu NKrumah On 2014-09-04 11:18, sndam...@pac-cape.org.za wrote: Inkathazo abaselulawulweni bathi ayikho ingxaki . . .noba izibonakalela nje ! The two calls you mentioned are supported by many of us . . .what is needed though is to ensure that this call is endorsed and supported by our structures where we belong and those structures has to be open about that. . .Let our structures in our branches, regions and provinces come out to officially pronounce and demand that to be done. It is our duty in all our regions to mobilize structures into this call and those structures can take a particular stance . . .in doing so we ought to understand that not everyone nor every structure will agree, it is the challenge that we have to deal with to ensure that the majority of structures in our regions buys into this call then that can be the official branch, regional and provincial position supported by the majority branches. Anything less than the majority support for this call is the prolonged chaos as we see. . . The mobilization of structures into this call needs leadership, we need to give that leadership on the ground otherwise lets forget we will forever talk with no progress. iAfrika On 2014-09-04 10:54, Linda Ndebele wrote: Greetings comrades, Indeed our belovered movement is in crisis. The challenge is that we are in a denial mode. Those who are in control of levers of power hold a view that all is in order because they are in power and it will augur negatively if they accept that the party is getting weaker each day under
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Izwe lethu 1. The proposal to form a mediation team is worth consideration; 2. Mediation team should develop a party unification strategy and campaign which should entail:- a. The July 2012 Butterworth Congress elected NEC should reconstitute through mediation team; b. Re-establish PAC Head office and re-organise party administration; c. The July 2012 Butterworth Congress elected NEC should account to PAC branches and members; d. All parallel structures from regions to provincial structures including APLAMVA and PAYCO should be dissolved; e. Inclusive structures should be formed from regions to provincial; f. Constitutional structures mainly branches should be organised; g. Mediation team should furthermore oversee convening an inclusive national conference and national congress of PAC; There many comrades not involved in the feuding, who can be drawned from PAC, AZANYU, PASO and PASMA Shango lashu Nkrumah From: Mbuyiselo Kantso [mailto:mbuyigan...@yahoo.com] Sent: 05 September 2014 08:28 AM To: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za Cc: d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; Mapula Nkoana; david mabitsela; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; payco@googlegroups.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; sap...@gmail.com; digashuma...@gmail.com; sandla goqwana; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; hlubi.so...@gmail.com; kidi.bolelw...@gmail.com; lea...@hotmail.com; limpopo.ad...@tawusa.org.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; nnyq...@gmail.com; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; Nkrumah; Alton Mphethi Subject: Re: focused practical action Izwe Lethu Cdes. I think just to reinforce your points Cde Siya what will assist the process faster is the following; 1.The NEC as elected in Butterworth must reconstitute either on their own or under a very matured mediation team. 2. Then the comrades must then agree without fail that the NEC they belong to did not make it and as such they must forge a way forward or set up a process to hand over the party to the members. 3. This will include the collapsing or ending of all court cases. 4. They must organise a PAC conference not a convention just to avoid a gathering with no constitutional status and then members can propose for an earlier elective congress knowing that there is no longer an NEC left.. 5. To address Cde. Fihla's concerns on the how part it is our duty to tell those whom we identify with closely as elected in Butterworth to assist the process as we see it. 6. It is unavoidable that the reports of the President and the Secretary General are likely to raise party problems and challenges like discipline, parallels, lack of programmes and whatever will be presented must be accepted except for aspects which maybe divisive. 7. Then we can establish a congress preparatory committee that will deal with all administrative matters needed for a successful congress. Lastly my view is that when we finalise find a consensus beyond these pity issues then we must try hard to encourage a constructive engagement on future leadership and if we lucky there must a consensus on at least key important positions that requires a highly matured future leadership. Izwe Lethu On Thursday, September 4, 2014 5:32 PM, sndam...@pac-cape.org.za sndam...@pac-cape.org.za wrote: Comrades, Let us organize our branches and they must identify positively with the possible corrective measures to save the PAC. In each Region/ Province there must be people who will take the responsibility to ensure this work is done. At the National level there must be an all-inclusive meeting of leaders from all provinces to engage on best possible roadmap to save the organization. Having agreed on the Roadmap, then a All-inclusive Pan Africanist Conference/Convention, then Annual National Conference of PAC (focus on Policies, Program of Action, etc), then an electing PAC Annual National Conference (Congress). . .this can be rollout over the period of 12 - 18 months. * all-inclusive meeting of leaders from all provinces - Sept 2014 * All-inclusive Pan Africanist Conference/Convention - Dec 2014 * Annual National Conference of PAC (Policies, Program of Action, etc)
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Izwe lethu 1. The proposal to form a mediation team is worth consideration; 2. Mediation team should develop a party unification strategy and campaign which should entail:- a. The July 2012 Butterworth Congress elected NEC should reconstitute through mediation team; b.Mediation team should furthermore engage PAC comrades who formed PAM to return (added). c.Re-establish PAC Head office and re-organise party administration; d.The July 2012 Butterworth Congress elected NEC should account to PAC branches and members; e.All parallel structures from regions to provincial structures including APLAMVA and PAYCO should be dissolved; f. Inclusive structures should be formed from regions to provincial; g.Constitutional structures mainly branches should be organised; h.Mediation team should furthermore oversee convening an inclusive national conference and national congress of PAC; i. Thus inclusive conference should be in reality inclusive and unifying based on principles and programme of action! There many comrades not involved in the feuding, who can be drawned from PAC, AZANYU, PASO and PASMA Shango lashu Nkrumah Shango lashu From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] Sent: 05 September 2014 09:53 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za Cc: d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; sap...@gmail.com; digashuma...@gmail.com; 'sandla goqwana'; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; hlubi.so...@gmail.com; kidi.bolelw...@gmail.com; lea...@hotmail.com; limpopo.ad...@tawusa.org.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; nnyq...@gmail.com; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; 'Alton Mphethi' Subject: Re: [PAYCO] RE: focused practical action Comrades Cdes Linda, Siya, Ndima, Fihla and others I think lets do our best to find a way out after the further submission by Cde Raymond. For now we must reach out to our comrades to constitutionality and reality. I read some letters from the SG which some indicate to constitutional obligations which I agree with him. The only issue now is to face reality and use the same constitution to go out of a crisis and rather not selectively use it to entrench an on going crisis. In the all governments vocabulary they call it doing checks and balances which means checking how far the laws, acts and regulations of the country can salvage any unwarranted situation. When times call for change and reforms we must do so in manner that shows forward thinking and pragmatism. When the ZANLA forces in Zimbabwe mounted a front near Mozambique they needed a leader to lead them closure and I think that was the beginning of Robert Mugabe assuming the high moral control of ZANU because other leaders did not the need as soldiers saw it on the ground. Ours require a quick response hence suggestions from different comrades. On Friday, September 5, 2014 9:09 AM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com wrote: Izwe lethu 1. The proposal to form a mediation team is worth consideration; 2. Mediation team should develop a party unification strategy and campaign which should entail:- a. The July 2012 Butterworth Congress elected NEC should reconstitute through mediation team; b. Re-establish PAC Head office and re-organise party administration; c. The July 2012 Butterworth Congress elected NEC should account to PAC branches and members; d. All parallel structures from regions to provincial structures including APLAMVA and PAYCO should be dissolved; e. Inclusive structures should be formed from regions to provincial; f. Constitutional structures mainly branches should be organised; g. Mediation team should furthermore oversee convening an inclusive national conference and national congress of PAC; There many comrades not involved in the feuding, who can be drawned from PAC, AZANYU, PASO and PASMA Shango lashu Nkrumah From: Mbuyiselo Kantso [mailto:mbuyigan...@yahoo.com] Sent: 05 September 2014 08:28 AM To: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za Cc: d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za;
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Cde Siya Please explain by “leaders from all provinces” you imply? Eastern Cape has two parallel structures for example! Shango lashu Nkrumah From: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za [mailto:sndam...@pac-cape.org.za] Sent: 05 September 2014 10:02 AM To: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi Cc: 'Mbuyiselo Kantso'; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; payco@googlegroups.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; sap...@gmail.com; digashuma...@gmail.com; 'sandla goqwana'; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; hlubi.so...@gmail.com; kidi.bolelw...@gmail.com; lea...@hotmail.com; limpopo.ad...@tawusa.org.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; nnyq...@gmail.com; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; 'Alton Mphethi' Subject: RE: focused practical action The first step then zinkokheli, Let us prepare for that open and inclusive meeting of leaders from all provinces; that meeting will agree on * unification strategy and mediation that will include a clear Roadmap that will take into consideration all proposals as you suggest them and identification of the * mediation team Can we perhaps put this into motion ! I have suggested that this meeting has to sit atleast before end of Sept 2014 , can we agree on the venue, secure a venue and please identify and invite people to this meeting.[I will suggest 20 Sept 2014] On the ground we have to mobilize as many of our structures and rank-and-file to support this process. So that at the end they can own the outcomes of this process. Lastly, masinyamezelane there will be those abazakuba 'zizibhoja' (trouble-makers) in this process, we must remain positive at all times. iAfrika On 2014-09-05 09:09, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi wrote: Izwe lethu 1. The proposal to form a mediation team is worth consideration; 2. Mediation team should develop a party unification strategy and campaign which should entail:- a. The July 2012 Butterworth Congress elected NEC should reconstitute through mediation team; b. Re-establish PAC Head office and re-organise party administration; c. The July 2012 Butterworth Congress elected NEC should account to PAC branches and members; d. All parallel structures from regions to provincial structures including APLAMVA and PAYCO should be dissolved; e. Inclusive structures should be formed from regions to provincial; f. Constitutional structures mainly branches should be organised; g. Mediation team should furthermore oversee convening an inclusive national conference and national congress of PAC; There many comrades not involved in the feuding, who can be drawned from PAC, AZANYU, PASO and PASMA Shango lashu Nkrumah From: Mbuyiselo Kantso [mailto:mbuyigan...@yahoo.com] Sent: 05 September 2014 08:28 AM To: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za Cc: d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; Mapula Nkoana; david mabitsela; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; payco@googlegroups.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; sap...@gmail.com; digashuma...@gmail.com; sandla goqwana; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; hlubi.so...@gmail.com; kidi.bolelw...@gmail.com; lea...@hotmail.com; limpopo.ad...@tawusa.org.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; nnyq...@gmail.com; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; Nkrumah; Alton Mphethi Subject: Re: focused practical action Izwe Lethu Cdes. I think just to reinforce your points Cde Siya what will assist the process faster is the following; 1.The NEC as elected in Butterworth must reconstitute either on their own or under a very matured mediation team. 2. Then the comrades must then agree without fail that the NEC they belong to did not make it and as such they must forge a way forward or set up
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Shango lashu It is then appropriate that such a meeting to be convened should be inclusive of all provincial and regional structures. The invitation should also be extended to PAM comrades and include component structures. The meetings should primarily focus on first necessary steps to forge concrete unity for action, thus priorities agreement on a Plan of Action and the formation of a Mediation Team with clear time lines. Shango lashu! Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi We Must Attain Principled Unity To Salvage the PAC, For Total Emancipation and Unity of Africa, In Our Lifetime! From: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za [mailto:sndam...@pac-cape.org.za] Sent: 05 September 2014 11:51 AM To: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi Cc: 'Mbuyiselo Kantso'; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; payco@googlegroups.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; sap...@gmail.com; digashuma...@gmail.com; 'sandla goqwana'; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; hlubi.so...@gmail.com; kidi.bolelw...@gmail.com; lea...@hotmail.com; limpopo.ad...@tawusa.org.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; nnyq...@gmail.com; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; 'Alton Mphethi'; paroot...@yahoo.com; jtrimblefam...@hotmail.com; 'Vusi Mahlangu'; ntsiemohl...@gmail.com; dumisani...@gmail.com Subject: RE: focused practical action Poqo, I mean all leaders . . .those who are in the PECs/RECs of parallel structures. Remember these leaders continue with their political activities outside the authority of a 'recognised' leadership by the present HQ because of issues that we all know. They have branches that they service . . . That will lead to dissolvement of parallel structures. iAfrika On 2014-09-05 10:15, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi wrote: Cde Siya Please explain by “leaders from all provinces” you imply? Eastern Cape has two parallel structures for example! Shango lashu Nkrumah From: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za [mailto:sndam...@pac-cape.org.za] Sent: 05 September 2014 10:02 AM To: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi Cc: 'Mbuyiselo Kantso'; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; payco@googlegroups.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; sap...@gmail.com; digashuma...@gmail.com; 'sandla goqwana'; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; hlubi.so...@gmail.com; kidi.bolelw...@gmail.com; lea...@hotmail.com; limpopo.ad...@tawusa.org.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; nnyq...@gmail.com; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; 'Alton Mphethi' Subject: RE: focused practical action The first step then zinkokheli, Let us prepare for that open and inclusive meeting of leaders from all provinces; that meeting will agree on * unification strategy and mediation that will include a clear Roadmap that will take into consideration all proposals as you suggest them and identification of the * mediation team Can we perhaps put this into motion ! I have suggested that this meeting has to sit atleast before end of Sept 2014 , can we agree on the venue, secure a venue and please identify and invite people to this meeting.[I will suggest 20 Sept 2014] On the ground we have to mobilize as many of our structures and rank-and-file to support this process. So that at the end they can own the outcomes of this process. Lastly, masinyamezelane there will be those abazakuba 'zizibhoja' (trouble-makers) in this process, we must remain positive at all times. iAfrika On 2014-09-05 09:09, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi wrote: Izwe lethu 1. The proposal to form a mediation team is worth consideration; 2. Mediation team should develop a party unification strategy and campaign which should entail:- a. The July 2012
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Comrades,
The critical question now is who will bell the cat? Who will convene the
mediation team? Who should form part of mediation team? How would the whole
exercise be financed? How do we get buy-in from all factions?
Linda
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Subject: Re: focused practical action
Comrade Mbuyi,
I do understand the Constitutionality as Cde Moloto is saying the PAC is
due for Annual National Conference but the reality dictates otherwise;
* September 2013 there was a Birchwood PAC Conference, the NEC
introduced to delegates co-opted NEC members to name the few for the
position of National Chairperson: Cde Raymond Fihla; Deputy President:
Cde Ngila Muendane and others
* the Conference rejected these appointments and resolved that Cde
Mphethi is affirmed as President having resolved that Cde Mphahlele did
not appeal his expulsion following internal processes; and further
resolved that those NEC members who sided with Cde Mphahlele be invited
back to the NEC, then Cde Mphethi reshuffle NEC and appoint 5 members
based on their expertise into the NEC as per the Constitution.
* the NEC did not invite the other NEC members, Mphethi did not
reshuffle NEC instead he reinstated those appointments that were
rejected by the Conference using the resolution that allowed him to
appoint 5 members into the NEC based on their expertise
* _fast-forward to 2014_: Cde Moloto wrote a communique complaining of
NEC members [deprtmental secretariat] doing nothing; the legal costs,
office rentals, staff payments are on his pocket
* Cdes Narius and Mphethi have a disagreement over the R200 000
Election Registration Fee that was paid back by the IEC
* Cde Mphethi went to his Deputy Muendane over this disagreement
* Cde Narius wrote to Cde Muendane telling him he is NO-LONGER A
DEPUTY PRESIDENT because he was appointed wrongly not following
Conference resolutions, [what is interesting here is that Moloto did not
write to Fihla telling him the same]
* In July Cde Moloto wrote a communique saying the NEC is below 30%
quorum
* All those co-option that were made by Cde Mphethi disappeared ONLY
two remained Fihla Muendane _{though Muendane was told he was
appointed wrongly}_, Mphethi co-opted Pasika Nontshiza as Acting
National Organizer and Cde Mapule Nkoana as Acting Finance Secretary - -
- NEC had problem with the appointments especially with Notshiza, that
did not sit well with Mphethi
* 26 - 27 July there was an extended NEC meeting where Cde Mphethi
invoked Decree 3 times keep on reversing it,
* 30 July Mphethi invoke a Decree
* letters are flying in all directions from Mphethi Narius -
justifying a Decree and dismissing a Decree; suspending each other at
the end Mphethi claim that Narius is expelled
* This whole saga of a Decree is on Mphethi and Narius Lawyers
respectively;
* that takes us to _LEGAL ISSUES - up to date PAC has spent beyond R1
million just on Cde Mphahlele case, there is a pending appeals case
schedule to court on 12 November 2014; the current state of legal
letters flying between Cde Mphethi and Moloto will lead straight to
court where PAC is expected to foot another bill over this matter . . ._
* _So we are sinking deeper over a matter that could have been
resolved Politically._
__The narration above is just a tip of the chaotic state of the
organization - there is more. Then how are we taking ourselves out of
this ? If the Letlapa expulsion took more than a year with more than R1
million and physical division of structures and yet it is not completely
resolved
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Comrades, From my analysis on our engagements including that of Cde Mphethi and Narious Moloto I can deduce a convergence on 3 broad issues: 1. Mediation 2. National Programme of Action, and 3. All-Inclusive National Conference. If indeed my analysis are correct, then let's focus on implementing these, let's devise strategies and agree on the process plan. Izwe lethu! Linda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 12:06:46 To: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Cc: 'Mbuyiselo Kantso'mbuyigan...@yahoo.com; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula Nkoana'mapulankoan...@gmail.com; 'david mabitsela'mabitselada...@gmail.com; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; payco@googlegroups.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; sap...@gmail.com; digashuma...@gmail.com; 'sandla goqwana'goqwana.san...@gmail.com; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; hlubi.so...@gmail.com; kidi.bolelw...@gmail.com; lea...@hotmail.com; limpopo.ad...@tawusa.org.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; nnyq...@gmail.com; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; 'Alton Mphethi'altonmphe...@gmail.com; paroot...@yahoo.com; jtrimblefam...@hotmail.com; 'Vusi Mahlangu'vemahla...@gmail.com; ntsiemohl...@gmail.com; dumisani...@gmail.com Subject: [PAYCO] RE: focused practical action Shango lashu It is then appropriate that such a meeting to be convened should be inclusive of all provincial and regional structures. The invitation should also be extended to PAM comrades and include component structures. The meetings should primarily focus on first necessary steps to forge concrete unity for action, thus priorities agreement on a Plan of Action and the formation of a Mediation Team with clear time lines. Shango lashu! Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi We Must Attain Principled Unity To Salvage the PAC, For Total Emancipation and Unity of Africa, In Our Lifetime! From: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za [mailto:sndam...@pac-cape.org.za] Sent: 05 September 2014 11:51 AM To: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi Cc: 'Mbuyiselo Kantso'; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; payco@googlegroups.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; sap...@gmail.com; digashuma...@gmail.com; 'sandla goqwana'; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; hlubi.so...@gmail.com; kidi.bolelw...@gmail.com; lea...@hotmail.com; limpopo.ad...@tawusa.org.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; nnyq...@gmail.com; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; 'Alton Mphethi'; paroot...@yahoo.com; jtrimblefam...@hotmail.com; 'Vusi Mahlangu'; ntsiemohl...@gmail.com; dumisani...@gmail.com Subject: RE: focused practical action Poqo, I mean all leaders . . .those who are in the PECs/RECs of parallel structures. Remember these leaders continue with their political activities outside the authority of a 'recognised' leadership by the present HQ because of issues that we all know. They have branches that they service . . . That will lead to dissolvement of parallel structures. iAfrika On 2014-09-05 10:15, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi wrote: Cde Siya Please explain by “leaders from all provinces” you imply? Eastern Cape has two parallel structures for example! Shango lashu Nkrumah From: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za [mailto:sndam...@pac-cape.org.za] Sent: 05 September 2014 10:02 AM To: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi Cc: 'Mbuyiselo Kantso'; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com;
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Comrade Linda You summation is crystal clear 1 Mediation, 2 National Programme of Action and 3 All Inclusive Conference, 100% agreed. It will be encouraging to hear views of other PAC members around these three broad issues! We must address the following:- Venue and Place, Dates and Time, and Convener! Shango lashu Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi We Must Attain Principled Unity To Salvage the PAC, For Total Emancipation and Unity of Africa, In Our Lifetime! From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Ndebele Sent: 05 September 2014 12:33 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za Cc: 'Mbuyiselo Kantso'; d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za Subject: Re: [PAYCO] RE: focused practical action Comrades, From my analysis on our engagements including that of Cde Mphethi and Narious Moloto I can deduce a convergence on 3 broad issues: 1. Mediation 2. National Programme of Action, and 3. All-Inclusive National Conference. If indeed my analysis are correct, then let's focus on implementing these, let's devise strategies and agree on the process plan. Izwe lethu! Linda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! _ From: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 12:06:46 +0200 To: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za ReplyTo: payco@googlegroups.com Cc: 'Mbuyiselo Kantso'mbuyigan...@yahoo.com; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula Nkoana'mapulankoan...@gmail.com; 'david mabitsela'mabitselada...@gmail.com; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; payco@googlegroups.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; sap...@gmail.com; digashuma...@gmail.com; 'sandla goqwana'goqwana.san...@gmail.com; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; hlubi.so...@gmail.com; kidi.bolelw...@gmail.com; lea...@hotmail.com; limpopo.ad...@tawusa.org.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; nnyq...@gmail.com; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; 'Alton Mphethi'altonmphe...@gmail.com; paroot...@yahoo.com; jtrimblefam...@hotmail.com; 'Vusi Mahlangu'vemahla...@gmail.com; ntsiemohl...@gmail.com; dumisani...@gmail.com Subject: [PAYCO] RE: focused practical action Shango lashu It is then appropriate that such a meeting to be convened should be inclusive of all provincial and regional structures. The invitation should also be extended to PAM comrades and include component structures. The meetings should primarily focus on first necessary steps to forge concrete unity for action, thus priorities agreement on a Plan of Action and the formation of a Mediation Team with clear time lines. Shango lashu! Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi We Must Attain Principled Unity To Salvage the PAC, For Total Emancipation and Unity of Africa, In Our Lifetime! From: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za [mailto:sndam...@pac-cape.org.za] Sent: 05 September 2014 11:51 AM To: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi Cc: 'Mbuyiselo Kantso'; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; payco@googlegroups.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com;
[PAYCO] Re: focused practical action
Comrades, The only way of making this work is to commit and honour promises we make. If we schedule a meeting, everyone who said will attend must be there and spend the duration of the meeting. Its hightime we make PAC priority. We must stop this thing of making promises and send apologies on an eleventh hour. The process plan with clear milestones has to be in place to ensure that we achieve what we seek to achieve. This might look insignificant but its these small things that have been setting PAC aback. Izwe lethu! Linda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 12:45:03 To: kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za Cc: Mbuyiselo Kantsombuyigan...@yahoo.com; payco@googlegroups.com; d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula Nkoana'mapulankoan...@gmail.com; 'david mabitsela'mabitselada...@gmail.com; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com Subject: Re: focused practical action from our side in the Western Cape, the majority branches has mandated the PEC to do the work. I will ensure that they (PEC) communicate with all PECs (that include the parallel structures). On your side please talk to your RECs/PECs to be supportive and come on board. As Cde Kgagudi said that initial meeting of all these leaders must decide on the Mediation Team and Plan of Action. Myself (Ndamane), Kgagudi, Ndebele, Gantsu, Fihla let us assist this process to ensure it does rollout and all relevant interest groups and structures are on board. iAfrika On 2014-09-05 12:18, Linda Ndebele wrote: Comrades, The critical question now is who will bell the cat? Who will convene the mediation team? Who should form part of mediation team? How would the whole exercise be financed? How do we get buy-in from all factions? Linda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! - FROM: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za DATE: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 11:37:33 +0200 TO: Mbuyiselo Kantsombuyigan...@yahoo.com CC: payco@googlegroups.com; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula Nkoana'mapulankoan...@gmail.com; 'david mabitsela'mabitselada...@gmail.com; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; sap...@gmail.com; digashuma...@gmail.com; 'sandla goqwana'goqwana.san...@gmail.com; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; hlubi.so...@gmail.com; kidi.bolelw...@gmail.com; lea...@hotmail.com; limpopo.ad...@tawusa.org.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; nnyq...@gmail.com; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; 'Alton Mphethi'altonmphe...@gmail.com SUBJECT: Re: focused practical action Comrade Mbuyi, I do understand the Constitutionality as Cde Moloto is saying the PAC is due for Annual National Conference but the reality dictates otherwise; * September 2013 there was a Birchwood PAC Conference, the NEC introduced to delegates co-opted NEC members to name the few for the position of National Chairperson: Cde Raymond Fihla; Deputy President: Cde Ngila Muendane and others * the Conference rejected these appointments and resolved that Cde Mphethi is affirmed as President having resolved that Cde Mphahlele did not appeal his expulsion following internal processes; and further resolved that those NEC members who sided with Cde Mphahlele be invited back to the NEC, then Cde Mphethi reshuffle NEC and appoint 5 members based on their expertise into the NEC as per the Constitution. * the NEC did not invite the other NEC members, Mphethi did not reshuffle NEC instead he reinstated those appointments that were rejected by the Conference using the resolution that allowed him to appoint 5 members into the NEC based on their expertise *
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Add Charge-in on behalf of PAM! From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Ndebele Sent: 05 September 2014 02:31 PM To: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za Cc: Mbuyiselo Kantso; payco@googlegroups.com; d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com Subject: [PAYCO] Re: focused practical action Comrades, The only way of making this work is to commit and honour promises we make. If we schedule a meeting, everyone who said will attend must be there and spend the duration of the meeting. Its hightime we make PAC priority. We must stop this thing of making promises and send apologies on an eleventh hour. The process plan with clear milestones has to be in place to ensure that we achieve what we seek to achieve. This might look insignificant but its these small things that have been setting PAC aback. Izwe lethu! Linda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! _ From: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 12:45:03 +0200 To: kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za Cc: Mbuyiselo Kantsombuyigan...@yahoo.com; payco@googlegroups.com; d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula Nkoana'mapulankoan...@gmail.com; 'david mabitsela'mabitselada...@gmail.com; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com Subject: Re: focused practical action from our side in the Western Cape, the majority branches has mandated the PEC to do the work. I will ensure that they (PEC) communicate with all PECs (that include the parallel structures). On your side please talk to your RECs/PECs to be supportive and come on board. As Cde Kgagudi said that initial meeting of all these leaders must decide on the Mediation Team and Plan of Action. Myself (Ndamane), Kgagudi, Ndebele, Gantsu, Fihla let us assist this process to ensure it does rollout and all relevant interest groups and structures are on board. iAfrika On 2014-09-05 12:18, Linda Ndebele wrote: Comrades, The critical question now is who will bell the cat? Who will convene the mediation team? Who should form part of mediation team? How would the whole exercise be financed? How do we get buy-in from all factions? Linda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! _ From: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 11:37:33 +0200 To: Mbuyiselo Kantsombuyigan...@yahoo.com Cc: payco@googlegroups.com; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula Nkoana'mapulankoan...@gmail.com; 'david mabitsela'mabitselada...@gmail.com; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; sap...@gmail.com; digashuma...@gmail.com; 'sandla goqwana'goqwana.san...@gmail.com; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; hlubi.so...@gmail.com; kidi.bolelw...@gmail.com; lea...@hotmail.com; limpopo.ad...@tawusa.org.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; nnyq...@gmail.com; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; 'Alton Mphethi'altonmphe...@gmail.com Subject: Re: focused practical action Comrade Mbuyi, I do understand the Constitutionality as Cde Moloto is saying the PAC is due for Annual National Conference but the
[PAYCO] Re: focused practical action
Comrades I think what is suggested I agree is a good foundation for a revamped PAC. Personally I will always argue since May 11 and prior that period the Butterworth NEC struggled to conceive even one programme of national status. Somehow Cde Raymond as you pointed to 3 factions or trends I will argue strong that it is we who reinforced that they are there while you later discover that one person hold us at ransom assisted by unprincipled NEC members. I am shocked to hear people saying there is an NEC and I can only conclude for some people to be in the NEC is a status as opposed to serve the party and the masses. Please comrades let us always remember that PAC is a liberation movement/political party not an organisation where when you have nothing to do you use it as a hobby. Cdes Siya and Raymond thank you very much for narrating as to what is at the core of our problems. At the end it will emerge that there were never factional issues but an individual lobbied in opportunists to drive an anti PAC programme and even those who chastised Butterworth outcome went to join its remnants. Cde.Siya those who are unprincipled and opportunistic they will always be protected and of course abused and used through capital as long as they want unwarranted NEC status. Izwe Lethu On Friday, September 5, 2014 12:46 PM, sndam...@pac-cape.org.za sndam...@pac-cape.org.za wrote: from our side in the Western Cape, the majority branches has mandated the PEC to do the work. I will ensure that they (PEC) communicate with all PECs (that include the parallel structures). On your side please talk to your RECs/PECs to be supportive and come on board. As Cde Kgagudi said that initial meeting of all these leaders must decide on the Mediation Team and Plan of Action. Myself (Ndamane), Kgagudi, Ndebele, Gantsu, Fihla let us assist this process to ensure it does rollout and all relevant interest groups and structures are on board. iAfrika On 2014-09-05 12:18, Linda Ndebele wrote: Comrades, The critical question now is who will bell the cat? Who will convene the mediation team? Who should form part of mediation team? How would the whole exercise be financed? How do we get buy-in from all factions? Linda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! From: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 11:37:33 +0200 To: Mbuyiselo Kantsombuyigan...@yahoo.com Cc: payco@googlegroups.com; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula Nkoana'mapulankoan...@gmail.com; 'david mabitsela'mabitselada...@gmail.com; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; sap...@gmail.com; digashuma...@gmail.com; 'sandla goqwana'goqwana.san...@gmail.com; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; hlubi.so...@gmail.com; kidi.bolelw...@gmail.com; lea...@hotmail.com; limpopo.ad...@tawusa.org.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; nnyq...@gmail.com; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; 'Alton Mphethi'altonmphe...@gmail.com Subject: Re: focused practical action Comrade Mbuyi, I do understand the Constitutionality as Cde Moloto is saying the PAC is due for Annual National Conference but the reality dictates otherwise; * September 2013 there was a Birchwood PAC Conference, the NEC introduced to delegates co-opted NEC members to name the few for the position of National Chairperson: Cde Raymond Fihla; Deputy President: Cde Ngila Muendane and others * the Conference rejected these appointments and resolved that Cde Mphethi is affirmed as President having resolved that Cde Mphahlele did not appeal his expulsion following internal processes; and further resolved that those NEC members who sided with Cde Mphahlele be invited back to the NEC, then Cde Mphethi reshuffle NEC and appoint 5 members based on their expertise into the NEC as per the Constitution. * the NEC did not invite the other NEC members, Mphethi did not reshuffle NEC instead he reinstated those appointments that were rejected by the Conference using the resolution that allowed him to appoint 5 members into the NEC based on their expertise * fast-forward to 2014: Cde Moloto wrote a communique complaining of NEC members [deprtmental secretariat] doing nothing; the legal costs, office rentals, staff payments are on his pocket
