Re: [PAYCO] Statement of Position - Program of Action
Cde Matome, I wish to express my gratitude to the continous rationale manner you approach challenges facing our party and our revolutionary task. Indeed I agree with you that we have to make a choice between Revolting or conforming to the system. Making such a choice is critical to know who are with the masses of our people (revolt route) or those with the system (conforming route). I wish to state where I stand. I stand for revolt. I know the implications of taking this route to me personally, professionally, financially and politically. I know that one stands to loose his life, be unpopular, growth professionally, financial difficulties and political isolation within the party and outside the party. I have considered all these consequences of this decision but despite and inspite of these I prefer to stand with the masses of my people. I stand for revolt and martyrdom. I have gone through the position statement of the Programme of Action and agree wholeheartedly with it. I will share some of my contributions with the main contents of the programme of action. I strongly believe we need to embark on serious cadreship development if we have to succeed with mass mobilization and produce quality leaders to lead our people into revolutionary action. Count me in therefore on revolt cadre. Izwe lethu! Linda Kwame Ndebele Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: "matome" Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 20:26:57 To: ; 'Michael Muendane'; 'Mbulelo Raymond' Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Cc: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Subject: [PAYCO] Statement of Position - Program of Action Dear Comrades, Find herewith attached the thrust of a revolutionary program (in development). It is our view that the choice facing us today is between - Revolt and Conform. We must choose one, and so is the PAC. The choice is indeed less about 'factions' or 'personalities' but about 'ROCO' - Revolt or Conform. I have made my choice and I think the time has come for all of us to make our choices known so that we should not waste each other 's time in case we are on different agenda routes. It is better to engage in inner party struggle with comrades with whom a foundational outlook is shared than engage in wastage. Time is of the essence. Let's declare our colours. Please read the attached and let us unchain each other to pursue what we each believe than keep each other in a chained adulterous relationship. We cannot hurt in perpetuity unless we are part of the perpetrators. We must make a call - Revolt or Conform ! Matome Mashao Sent from my BlackBerry® -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference
Comrade Gift and Others, I hope you are well and good my friend. I must commend you for mustering sufficient courage to make the point about the sinking ship that we are. You have indeed taken it to a higher level in terms of the chosen method of cleansing the party. Whether this method is right or not is another matter. Your level of impatience with mediocrity is commendable. It is my wish that we all can assume intolerance against incapacity, mediocrity and outright counter-revolution. It is the lack of this intolerance which threatens the party. If we all assume indignation against the destruction of what is left of the PAC, we may be able to save it from total closure. The complexity lies here though: all these groups accuse each other of deviant agendas. So this begs the question: how deep is the damage on the party, and what precisely will it take to restore some respectable organisation. The jury is out on this one. Some argue that it is totally adulterated right from the centre, with divisions and mediocrity impacting on the young and old, themselves playing a part in that mediocrity as well. Others, hold a near religious view that somehow by some act the party will resuscitate. Over the years, in view of all of these, the party has developed a self-eating culture. The culture of quarels not for revolution but for side-shows. This has blinded many of us from even seeing the good in each other. It also interests me that we often talk of how opportunistic the charterists are. But equally how many amongst us share this opportunism with the charterists? Is it really true that a majority of us are not opportunistic and non-charterist minded ? We must differentiate the lack of exposure to opportunism from our ability to withstand it. Is it not true that there are many amongst us who given a chance would do just what the charterists are doing? So the reality may also just be the fact that our members are 'denied' a chance for opportunism; that if it were offered to them they will excel in it perhaps even better than the charterists themselves. These questions have kept me thinking long and hard. It is the same question that many here have asked. And rightly they fear that they too like a generation following Sobukwe 's, will get old, and old they are becoming, into irrelevance, having denied themselves a chance for revolutionary participation. How much of a disabler is the PAC in its current form. I have often argued that the agenda must supersede the vehicle. Yes, it never should be a lightly arrived at position to conclude that a vehicle is a wastage but it is a consideration we must brave and face. The stories of hurt and disappointment are many including how we elevate mediocrity and shun home talent. I and others have made a call for a focus on a program of action. I am having to handle my own exploding level of irritation at those pushing for conferences and elections of individuals who neither have a program of action nor capacity. I am up to here !!! For my sanity I will keep to the work on the program of action, and hope it is the PAC that will drive some of the ideas we share in the document. Izwe Lethu ! Matome Mashao Sent from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: "Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi" Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 08:05:02 To: 'Michael Muendane'; 'Mbulelo Raymond' Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Cc: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; <0825164...@vodamail.co.za>; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Subject: RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference Izwe lethu Thanks Bra Mike, “Anyone can change. Love yourself, love one another, unite and you shall be a strong Party” Izwe lethu Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi I Choose no-one, however all PAC members as comrades in struggle for the African Emancipation! From: Michael Muendane [mailto:m...@soultalk.co.za] Sent: 11 September 2014 10:13 PM To: 'Mbulelo Raymond'; 'Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi' Cc: po...@yahoo.com; tyamza...@yahoo.com; phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za; jntab...@gmail.com; paccapeme...@webmail.co.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; znyam...@gmail.com; rammymfulw...@gmail.com; i...@bataufc.com; moshemahlom...@gmail.com; bennet_j...@yahoo.com; bulelanim1...@nokiamail.com; digashuma...@gmail.com; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; monyanepin...@gmail.com; ad...@pac.org.za; ndhlo...@pac.org.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; lea...@hotmail.com; malingeplaat...@yahoo.com; vu...@telkomsa.net; richardma...@yahoo.com; ntsiemohl...@gmail.com; mnd...@yahoo.com; mop...@pac.org.za; mvakalijust...@gmail.com; dmalo...@klerksdorp.org; tnta...@webmail.co.za; aplamv...@gmail.com; njabulo.m...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; goqwana.san...@gmail.com; billiard.s...@gmail.com
Re: [PAYCO] coup is the only solution for PAC
Comrade Gift and Others, I hope you are well and good my friend. I must commend you for mustering sufficient courage to make the point about the sinking ship that we are. You have indeed taken it to a higher level in terms of the chosen method of cleansing the party. Whether this method is right or not is another matter. Your level of impatience with mediocrity is commendable. It is my wish that we all can assume intolerance against incapacity, mediocrity and outright counter-revolution. It is the lack of this intolerance which threatens the party. If we all assume indignation against the destruction of what is left of the PAC, we may be able to save it from total closure. The complexity lies here though: all these groups accuse each other of deviant agendas. So this begs the question: how deep is the damage on the party, and what precisely will it take to restore some respectable organisation. The jury is out on this one. Some argue that it is totally adulterated right from the centre, with divisions and mediocrity impacting on the young and old, themselves playing a part in that mediocrity as well. Others, hold a near religious view that somehow by some act the party will resuscitate. Over the years, in view of all of these, the party has developed a self-eating culture. The culture of quarels not for revolution but for side-shows. This has blinded many of us from even seeing the good in each other. It also interests me that we often talk of how opportunistic the charterists are. But equally how many amongst us share this opportunism with the charterists? Is it really true that a majority of us are not opportunistic and non-charterist minded ? We must differentiate the lack of exposure to opportunism from our ability to withstand it. Is it not true that there are many amongst us who given a chance would do just what the charterists are doing? So the reality may also just be the fact that our members are 'denied' a chance for opportunism; that if it were offered to them they will excel in it perhaps even better than the charterists themselves. These questions have kept me thinking long and hard. It is the same question that many here have asked. And rightly they fear that they too like a generation following Sobukwe 's, will get old, and old they are becoming, into irrelevance, having denied themselves a chance for revolutionary participation. How much of a disabler is the PAC in its current form. I have often argued that the agenda must supersede the vehicle. Yes, it never should be a lightly arrived at position to conclude that a vehicle is a wastage but it is a consideration we must brave and face. The stories of hurt and disappointment are many including how we elevate mediocrity and shun home talent. I and others have made a call for a focus on a program of action. I am having to handle my own exploding level of irritation at those pushing for conferences and elections of individuals who neither have a program of action nor capacity. I am up to here !!! For my sanity I will keep to the work on the program of action, and hope it is the PAC that will drive some of the ideas we share in the document. Izwe Lethu ! Matome Mashao Sent from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 14:28:31 To: Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] coup is the only solution for PAC Comrade Gift My first input on this discussion was that to rescue PAC from current maximum infiltration is to take extraordinary actions unfortunately at a human cost. I agree with you totally in your sentiments. PAC has been hijacked from us at gun point. We cannot get it back to us without a bitter fight. -- Sent from my Nokia phone --Original message-- From: 'gift fuzane' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress To: Date: Sunday, September 14, 2014 1:21:17 PM GMT+0100 Subject: [PAYCO] coup is the only solution for PAC This daily dialogues PAC members are busy with is not working. If my mind serve me well, this have been going on since from 80's. PAC is full of agents. Infact should I rather say PAC is an agent organization. Every leaders elected turns to work against the organization. Conference seems to fail in electing leaders cause these agents leaders are sponsored. The only solution to this problem we are facing is a coup. We retake PAC from people that thinks they own it. Appoint leaders that we think can unite the organization. We give them plan of action. Any one that is against our actions or takes us to courts will b assassinated. In order for us to fix PAC we need to take radical actions, period. Let us fix the organization once and for all. United PAC Zandisile aka Gift Fuzane -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our w
