Comrades, President Mugabe was sabotage by his own party to expose him or even to send a clear signal to those who don't want him to step down within Zanu Pf for their own good reasons. That is clear not to my mind. Let's wait and see the next signal.
On the point of eloquent leaders, i have a different view. Most of eloquent leaders do not go beyond eloquence nowadays. Most of them are spineless. They cannot stand alone on principle. Unprincipled leaders cannot make in a party. Many of them find it difficult to lead the Party and give up easily. They can be crowd pullers outside the party but leading the party does not end there. Take the example of Mandela and Mbeki. When Mbeki took over, we doubted him if he will reach Mandela's crow pulling capability. My own assessment is Mbeki was a stronger leaders even more than Mandela as far as leading the ANC. He could handle ANC dynamics better than Mandela but he was not eloquent or charismatic like Mandela. Moreso, I worked in the past with highly chariSmatic and eloquence PASO and AZANYU leaders. Many of them found it difficulty to lead an organisation. Leading is a another ball game altogether. That is why many parties employ eloquent speakers as spokespersons, ot President of the Party. A good leader must excell in uniting and leading the party properly into the theatre of struggle. He / she must master how to exercise his /her powers effective and efficiently as a leader without abusing them. He must a true democratic centralist who knows the limits of democratic centralism. He must neither be a dictator nor spineless democrat. Furthermore, he must not try to imitate another leader's style of leadership. He /she must himself / herself. There a few such people in any party. At the same, he must be part of a revolutionary collective, not a faction. On 9/21/15, Sebenzile Mlaza <sebenzi...@raf.co.za> wrote: > > > Revolutionary greetings all, > > > Reading an already delivered speech by president Mugabe is definitely not a > transgression, but remember State of the Nation addresses are simply not > delivered off the cuff, right? Imbedded in them are hopes and inspirations > of the Nation; they encampus the country's vision thus making the incident > not trivial. Some leaders even memorize them so to appear to be orators ala > Cicero, that's what many of them do; I suspect Obama does the same, despite > being not indictable to read a wrong speech but this faux pas can't be > regarded as a piccadillo for reasons aforementioned. > > > > Having said that, perhaps a phraseologically self short-charging was used by > saying: "He must call it quits." These words were used with the knowledge > that ZANU isn't just a one man show, president Mugabe certainly has fidus > Achates in his party some whom he was in the trenches with he can pass the > baton to. If he feels he could still run the relay without handing over the > baton to a new energized sprinter, it then smacks of scepticism for his own > comrades so mishaps like reading anachronistic speeches will continue. Where > he mentally agile, as he is known to be, he was supposed to rehash the > speech triggered by an engram, no one would have noticed and we wouldn't be > having this debate today. > > > > It will be naive to think that he isn't been taken advantage of because of > his age. By whom it may be asked? Not by the Imperialist West, certainly not > by compradors in the MDC but by his own comrades in ZANU because such > speeches are not simply put on a lectern for a reader, even eloquent > preachers visit the Bible in the absence of congregants and pretend the next > day to be au fait with the gospel when delivering a homily. > > > > Fears that if he steps down there shall be political upheaval in Zimbabwe > and that may spill over to South Africa. Then this is like a deferment of > the inevitable because president Mugabe is not immortal. As we speak a > countless number of our Zimbabwe brothers and sisters are in South Africa > some whom white settlers take advantage of because of their illegal status. > > It's time president Mugabe handed the baton to a trusted comrade who would > run the mile not because of him having read a previously delivered speech > but of his dotage seen by us ‘his admirers’ and I repeat ‘HIS ADMIRERS.’ > > > > From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] > Sent: 21 September 2015 08:14 AM > To: payco@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres. > > Dear Comrades > > There are two ways to look at this. Oratory goes a long way in drawing mass > appeal. All organizations that have succeeded had the oratory being integral > to their success. People used to walk long distances to listen to their > leaders speak with pep and zest, now they are bused only to listen to > gobbledygook by uninspiring orators. Look no further than us if you want to > see this in actual context. > > Mugabe on the other hand is a type of speaker whom when he speaks, the world > listens, the detractors always fasten their seatlbelts that is why it was > even easy to hype up the situation surrounding his address. Always clear, > eloquent and caustic to a certain extent but this did not excuse him from > familiarising himself with the speech prior to delivery. With that said > there can be other convincing reasons for daring Mugabe to resign but speech > delivery is the least of them. > > Meanwhile, in the Pan Afrikanist block I cannot remember the last time we > had a speaker who could move audiences both within and outside his > constituency. You can have all the requisite theory but if it lacks delivery > of a professional punch it is as good as dull. Let us continue reflecting on > mass communication being an uncompromising leadership character trait. > > > On Sunday, September 20, 2015 10:04 PM, Linda Ndebele > <kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za<mailto:kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za>> wrote: > > Surely comrade Mmbara the Deputy President is fit for leading the country > and ZANU-PF as President. Surely the liberation of Zimbabwe was a collective > effort of Zanu-PF and the people of Zimbabwe. It can't be Mugabe forever > even when all can see that age is truly overtaking him. ZANU-PF has a duty > to ensure ofcourse that his legacy is not undone but all indications > indicate that the Oldman has reached his ultimate point, he can't give > anything better. > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > ________________________________ > From: Hulisani <mmbar...@hotmail.com<mailto:mmbar...@hotmail.com>> > Sender: payco@googlegroups.com<mailto:payco@googlegroups.com> > Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 20:08:07 +0200 > To: PAYCO GOOGLE GROUP PAYCO GOOGLE > GROUP<payco@googlegroups.com<mailto:payco@googlegroups.com>> > ReplyTo: payco@googlegroups.com<mailto:payco@googlegroups.com> > Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres. > > Comrade Linda, any ideas on who should succeed Oldman RG Mugabe and his > peers in ZANU- PF leadership? I think though ZANU-PF is keenly aware of the > succession matter and is probably fairly prepared for the inevitable > departure of Mugabe and his peers. > > >> Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres. >> To: payco@googlegroups.com<mailto:payco@googlegroups.com> >> From: kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za<mailto:kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za> >> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 17:48:02 +0000 >> >> I think our love for the old man to a certain extent blind us to reality. >> That Mugabe is old is an undeniable fact? That he's now susceptible to >> things that happens to older people such as tripping on stairways, falling >> in the bathroom, getting ill often and ofcourse reading a wrong speech >> without realizing. Oflate the oldman has been committing serious mistakes >> that embarrasses all of us, example was when he made statements loaded >> with tribal hatred recently. >> >> Ofcourse the persons in the Presidents Office responsible for speech >> writing and Head of the President's office must be taken to task for this >> blunder. Having said that, the President cannot be absolved from this >> blunder, he should have realized whilst reading the speech that he had >> once read it. If the President reads his speeches with comprehension he >> could have realised on the first 2 paragraphs of the speech except if he >> couldn't recall because of age. >> >> I remain convinced comrades that succession has never been this urgent. >> When our leader Fidel Castro was being overtaken by age he voluntarily >> handed the baton. The Oldman RG Mugabe must hand the baton. >> >> Izwe lethu! >> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chargein Mabaso >> <chargein...@gmail.com<mailto:chargein...@gmail.com>> >> Sender: payco@googlegroups.com<mailto:payco@googlegroups.com> >> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 18:55:46 >> To: <payco@googlegroups.com<mailto:payco@googlegroups.com>> >> Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com<mailto:payco@googlegroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres. >> >> Comrades, >> >> Let's be serious. This is a serious matter just like when President >> Boris Yeltsin of Russia tripped and staggered infront of the public >> media making mockery of himself. He was redicule and dubbed as being >> drunk on an important occassion and called to resign. . >> >> Ma-Afrika, there is no way that the State President of a country can >> read a wrong speech in a public platform by accident or omission by >> his personal aids. How can that happen in any country? Where was the >> speech writer who is paid to do that? I also have the same question. >> Where were the communications department, VIP proetection, security >> and intelligent structures who are paid to protect the image >> (reputation) of the President and that of Zimbabwe as country when >> this fiasco happened? The President is the face of the country. That >> is why enemies of any couuntry target the President as their enemey >> number one. Look at the tight security of President Obama wherever he >> goes. Look at the noise in many papers about wrong sign language >> interpreter (psychopath) who stood next to President Obama during >> Mandela!s Memorial service. Any threat against President Obama's life >> and image is a direct threat to America as a country, not just to >> Obama as an individual. What happened to President Mugabe was a clear >> sabotage from within his own camp. Embarassing the President of a >> country is a punishable offence, if not high treason, for anyone who >> did it, consciously or unconsciously. The whole saga did come as a >> surprise after Mujuru crisis in Zimbabwe, if we know her influence and >> that of her husband in the military, security and intelligence >> structures in Zimbabwe.. I guess so. The whole issue seems to be an >> inside job to deepen the crisis in Zimbabwe and check the reaction of >> the Mugabe:s inner circle. Recently, it was reported on papers that >> few days after Mnangagwa was elected as Vice President at the expense >> of Joyce Muju head, poison was found in his office afer his secretary >> collapdsed and rushed to hospital due to inhalation of the poisonous >> gases (attempted assassination of the second in command). That was >> very serious. Once beaten twice shy. What will be the third move after >> this one? My guess is as good as yours. >> >> On 9/19/15, Hulisani <mmbar...@hotmail.com<mailto:mmbar...@hotmail.com>> >> wrote: >> > Evening comrades, I wouldn't want to necessary venture into either side >> > of >> > the debate regarding whether or not Mugabe should leave as a matter of >> > urgency. I think the speech incident is being blown out of proportion in >> > so >> > far as Mugabe is being blamed for the oversight. My understanding is >> > that >> > Mugabe has a communication team that assist him with these issues who >> > must >> > make sure the president has the right speech for the right occasion, >> > whether >> > or not he personally wrote the speech himself. So how it ought to work >> > is >> > that someone will type the speech, print it, place it on the pulpit >> > before >> > Mugabe ascends to the podium. This despite whether or not the president >> > has >> > kept a copy for himself. In my view, if anyone must go with immediate >> > effect, it is definitely the speech writer or the head of his >> > communication >> > for being casual and not taking their salaried jobs seriously. Even then >> > I >> > would say firing who ever is responsible for this will amount to some >> > kind >> > of heavy handedness. Overall I think the issue of reading the wrong >> > speech >> > is for all intents and purposes trivial. I'm sure for any president, >> > this >> > would be the least oversight, which would not warrant calls for a leader >> > to >> > step down. I am not sure if age has anything to do with it. Even if it >> > has, >> > in the bigger scheme of things (I insist reading a wrong speech is a >> > minor >> > oversight, it is not even a transgression), does the reading of the >> > speech >> > outweighs all other political considerations for retaining the leader? >> > I >> > think not, instead my view is that the media has made sure to >> > sensationalize >> > this issue as they always do. >> > >> > >> >> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 11:13:28 +0200 >> >> Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres. >> >> From: chargein...@gmail.com<mailto:chargein...@gmail.com> >> >> To: payco@googlegroups.com<mailto:payco@googlegroups.com> >> >> >> >> It is not as easy as like that for him, comrade. If Mugabe goes, there >> >> will be political upheaval in Zimbabwe. It will mean regime change. >> >> His Inner Circle will have to go too. That will be costly. It is the >> >> one forcing him to remain in power. It's a political marriage unti >> >> death. .even if he wants to go but they are definitely telling not to >> >> abandone them. They want Mugabe to rule until his last day on earth so >> >> that they can turn him into a deity like Mandela, Lenin, Mao Tse Tung >> >> to continue ruling and scare political rivals opposing them as >> >> disrespecting Mugabe's last will and vision. This is exactly what is >> >> going in PAC. Letlapa Mphahlele may be forced to remain PAC President >> >> even when the writing is on the wall for him. He will only voluntarily >> >> step down when his Inner Circle in his faction see it it fit. They >> >> know his downfall is also theirs. There will be regime change in the >> >> PAC too. Bangamafanankosi lamadoda! That's it. He cannot abandfone >> >> them at this stage. Not NOW! Thami Plaatjies did that. His reputation >> >> went to zero. His is now a declared traitor to his comrades-in-arms. >> >> Letlapa does not want to be in the same boat. It's about reputation, >> >> nothing more. >> >> >> >> Understand Mugabe's dilemma comrade. Those who want him to go are >> >> vying for his inner circle and Zanu- his lehacy too. Remember: When >> >> you fire the CEO, you must also fire his inner circle too. You saw >> >> what happened Egyptian President Mubarak and his inner circle after he >> >> stepped down. They were under severe attack. Hence, the overthrow of >> >> the democratically elected President Morsi. Mubarak's regime made >> >> wrong calculation. Mugabe learned a lesson from President Mubara and >> >> Gaddafi. He doesn want the same to happen to him. I am sure President >> >> Zuma has similar fears. His enemies will call for his arrest for his >> >> role in Matabeleland crisis. Another problem is when Mugabe steps >> >> down, it will be chaos in Zim. Mugabe is a uniting figure for both >> >> Zanu and Zimbabwean people. If I was a Zanu member, I will oppose the >> >> move to force Mugabe to retire without a clear successor. >> >> Unforetunately, such a successor will not be Mugabe 2 You saw what >> >> happened to PAC when we said Makwetu must go without succession plan >> >> in place. It was and is still chaos in PAC till today. We all created >> >> the PAC chaos unaware and unconsciously. That is why we must all bear >> >> the consequences now. It's our mess. We are to blame. PAC went from >> >> bad to worsE. Same will happen in Zimbabwe. If he dies in power, >> >> Zimbabweans can handle the transition with care and with the sensitive >> >> it deserves unlike if he resigns. Resigning will work in the interest >> >> of the enemies of Zimbabwe. Unfortunate, Zanu is losing good cadres >> >> like Joyce Mujuru in the meantime. Careerists, opportunists and agents >> >> are definitely exploitinbg the situation in Zimbabwe for their own >> >> hidden agendas. The true is, whether we like it or not, the chaos in >> >> Zim will spill over to South Africa with positive and negative results >> >> depending on the balance of forces in our country. 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